Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from naps.uwindsor.ca (dns.uwindsor.ca [137.207.232.1]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: id AAA22118; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:34 -0500 Received: by gateway id AAA22970 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:45 -0500 X-Sender: pirie1@server.uwindsor.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> References: <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:51:07 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Steven D. Pirie" Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 984aec8d1f9cdb4760a52e563ad08e31 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Bernie (and others) >It's nice to see a "fellow nurse" on the mailing list. And thanks for >the input. Nah... nurses in the wilderness, it cannot be true. :-) > I have two major questions. > >1. Which nursing procedures should be included? If we are going to look at procedures then I think we should look at some of the skills preformed under standards that flight nurses do. I cannot think of a more comparable level of isolation. If we want to look at nursing concepts that might have wilderness implications some ideas might be: Health an illness balance in the wilderness Transcultural nursing (especially important if doing SAR in foreign areas) The nursing model (assessment, planning, implementation, and evaluation... I left off nursing diagnosis for a reason) of not only patients but the SAR operations as a whole. Ethics in wilderness medicine SAR team and patient communications (not the radio type :-) ) The teaching - learning process (SAR team and patient) Leadership and management Infection control Basic patient monitoring (vitals etc) Advanced physical and health assessment Administration of medications Documentation of procedures performed Loss, death and the grieving process when the worst occurs. The basic human needs Stress management and adaptation Spiritual health (if you are into this) Camp hygiene Nutrition (are there any R.D.'s around) Promotion and maintenance of sleep Pain control Fluid electrolyte and acid - base balances (nurse's seem to grasp this well) Urinary and bowel elimination in the wilderness Prevention (e.g. SAFETY) Mobility and immobility Substance abuse issues for team members Wound care and management Humm... these are just a few ideas, and not sure that these are even close to what your thinking. Now don't get me wrong I don't want us to being care plans in the field or anything, these are just some ideas. >2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >they are copyrighted. I am not sure how to get around this (because I am not a lawyer nor, want anything to do with law... see EMED-L for details ) There is one book that I can think of off the top of my head that has attempted to address the unique nursing position. It is called, "Prehospital Nursing" and is put out in hardcover from Mosby. It is really a landmark text (I think) and should be looked at. I am sure that if text is not copied word for work that the material must be public domain, because it is common knowledge... but then again I am not a lawyer. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.11) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (samsui@ppp-045.m2-15.tor.ican.net [142.154.19.45]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA09963 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:47:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803310347.WAA09963@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:26:58 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED oops was good ??? In-Reply-To: <35205F9A.2B88@cnnet.com> References: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> <199803301225.HAA16125@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 2bd82baa14b8bdd9f9d501197c870d29 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 08:14 PM 30/03/98 -0700, you wrote: >Bernie :) [snip] >I just have to ask a potentially stupid question ... are there no >present books (anywhere) available that would cover the info needed ?? >Do you HAVE TO create your own ??? I don't have a clue, but I thought >I'd put it out to the masses :) Hi, Julie: Well, we have a very good lesson plan manual, and the next stage will be our textbook, which Keith hopes to work on soon. So I'm just looking at filling in gaps before we get so far along that we're locked in. I understand what you're saying, we don't need to reinvent the wheel. But we would like our material to be as comprehensive as possible. >Julie :) (BA, RN) (yes, I know... I'm a BARN :) >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Burton, D.O." Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: df6620ab80e2c0616b4616eab6ab5693 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >From: "Barry J. Burton" >Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help > >Hi Bernie,. Stephen, group. > >Well, I thought I'd enter the conversation at this point. Please excuse the deletia.... > > >At 07:06 AM 3/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>At 12:51 AM 31/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >> > >much excised >> > >>If we want to look at nursing > >please reword as "health" > >>>concepts that might have wilderness >>>implications some ideas might be: >> >>>Health an illness balance in the wilderness > >Agreed > >>>Transcultural nursing (especially important if doing SAR in foreign areas) > >OK, I suppose > >>>The nursing model (assessment, planning, implementation, and evaluation... >> > >Er, this is not limited to nursing. Its method, really scientific method, for generic problem solving.... > >>>I left off nursing diagnosis for a reason) of not only patients but the >>> SAR operations as a whole. > >Er, you mean like the PUBLIC Health and PREVENTIVE health of the SAR team members?! Excellent! > > >>>Ethics in wilderness medicine > >If you wish. What do you mean here? Is there that much "unethical" conduct in Wilderness Medicine to define content? > >>>SAR team and patient communications (not the radio type :-) ) > >Uh, interpersonl communications 101? Forthrightness? > >>>The teaching - learning process (SAR team and patient) > >Basics. OK, I'll buy > >>>Leadership and management >> > >True. Both are somewhat different. How does this differ from the essentials of Field Team Leader core? > >>>Infection control > >Absolutely. AND GROUP sanitation, health Public Health. 'population' based preventive health care (yes the military has a LOT on this) > >>>Basic patient monitoring (vitals etc) > >Monitoring, meaning again and again and again? How about "seasoned observation" or "patient clue awareness"? Recognizing that that cough of J's means she's close to in trouble? > >>>Advanced physical and health assessment > >How advanced? why? what parameters? For who? > >I'd add medical/health screening procedures, like red flagging the weakenned cave medic who is dehydrated from going underground. Might as well add "rehab" monitoring and surveillance > >>>Administration of medications > >OK > >>>Documentation of procedures performed > >OK, if you keep to the essentials > >>>Loss, death and the grieving process when the worst occurs. > >I thought Jack does this > >>>The basic human needs > >I thought this was founded in the program, but reinforcement wouldn't be a bad idea. Focus the "medics" on survival first (personal, team, patient, bystanders), then the medical care, and don't abandon the pyschosocial areas. > > >>>Stress management and adaptation > >Good. > >>>Spiritual health (if you are into this) > >Saw teh OSJ. I was CSSp trained, myself > >>>Camp hygiene > >Back to public health / personal preventive health > >>>Nutrition (are there any R.D.'s around) > >Good > >>>Promotion and maintenance of sleep > >And the risks of sleep deprivation on safe demobilization > >>>Pain control > >YES. YES. YES > >>>Fluid electrolyte and acid - base balances (nurse's seem to grasp this well) > >ugh > >>>Urinary and bowel elimination in the wilderness > >Yes > >>>Prevention (e.g. SAFETY) > >AGAIN, Bingo > > >>>Mobility and immobility > >Encourage the former, rue the latter > >SKIN CARE, pressure necrosis issues, joint immobilization risks, PTE risks > >>>Substance abuse issues for team members > >Done in the MCP program, would beneift the masses > >>>Wound care and management > >more than what is there now? >> > > > >>That's a heck of a list, and it will certainly form the basis for future work. >> >>Also, of course, for nursing procedures, we need suitable illustrations or >>photographs, and with no manpower or budget, this could be a real stumbling >>block. >> >ERGGG. what defines a "nursing" procedure, different from a "medical" or a "Health promotion" procedure? Help me understand > >>While I really don't want to re-invent the wheel, by writing a nursing >>procedures text, I am very concerned about the shortcomings of our present >>program...in essence, we tell our students that they need to arrange a >>clinical rotation on their own, to learn all these skills. > > >YES! > >> We expect them >>to be able to give injectable meds, yet we do not teach the skill. > >SHOULD WE? > >I wonder how often, and then how much, and then how essential is this program REALLY to the survival and health of the targeted group of 'patients/clients'? Are we doing a real value added service, or simply "feeding into" the desire to "do more" and "allow more" for the self satisfaction of the provider??? > >IF we believe (and ideally can prove) the NEED for the program, then we oughta to DEFINE the NEEDED components, and this should be from EXPEREINCE and REASONABLE anticipation, not conjecture. THEN a plan can be developed. If in the plan, it is likely, more than probable, that a skill will be REQUIRED, we need to construct the 'model' for training. This MUST include (IMHO) the rationale, indicationa dn contraindications, prefered technique, reaonable parametesrs to alter technique, and evaluation of effectiveness. A 'non-patient' model of instruction, followed by supervised patient contact,e tc, etc,.etc. It is the UNUSUAL person who can read and then do safely. Most of us like to see it done, adn still don't grasp the concept and skil fully until the umpteenth repetition. Remember 'primacy'....the first introduction and demo must be perfect, and ample opportunity to link it to other skills..(I digress) > >"Arranging one's own" clerkship is also not entirely feasable. Institutions, like hospitals, don't like non licensed/certified personel in their turf. OK for assessments, which are critical, but not hardly similar conditions. Nursing homes may be better for the kinds of things needed (if you think foleys and skin care, moibility issues are important) but then the isntructional model may be lacking. > >Best is to have a good clinician/educator on the patient-centered event (rescue) to coach the newer tech...but can't arrange that either./ All suggests that there are a ton of compromises to be made! > > >We >>expect them to be able to insert a Foley catheter, yet we do not teach the >>skill. This bothers me, since my background (way back) was in Nursing >>Education. >> >>Most of our core group have never cared for a patient on a long-term basis; > >Thanks for acknowledging that Bernie. I've never done a loing duration rescue. I have cared for a patient for several monthes, and frequently for several weeks. But not 24 hour continuous duty..... >(12 on, 12 off.....) > > > >>while they talk about it, they haven't experienced it. Our program is >>directed by a doctor with his Fellowship in Eemergency Medicine, > >Who probably had to do at least one year of general IM before that, which means he DID take care of patients for several days at a time... > >>and some >>Paramedics. Both categories are traditionally very short-term care. >> > >For the most part > >>I'd be interested in learning what the military nursing service has in the >>way of long-term nursing care manuals. > >I'll try to get an opportunity to check their site. I did find a tom on great stuf in the past on their site for field hospitals, mass care, etc >> >> >>Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ >>WEMSI Web Site Administrator >> > >Cheers as well. > >Barry J. Burton, DO, FACOEP, CAQ in EMS >BSN, RN (retired), CEN (expired), EMT-Instructor, HP... >23 years of EMS, 6 ICU, 18 EM, cumulative. >And now moving on to the greener pastures of less time stress and criticality in Occupational Medicine.... > >> >> >> >>http://www.wemsi.org/ >> >>broche@tcn.net >> >>Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >>To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >>as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >>Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >> >> Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.11) ID ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ua1.cnnet.com ([207.229.6.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.229.6.134] by ua1.cnnet.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aikr) with ESMTP id za300403 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:19:12 -0700 Message-ID: <35205F9A.2B88@cnnet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:14:34 -0700 From: s+j nolan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED oops was good ??? References: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> <199803301225.HAA16125@titan.tcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 5beadd4657ad598b12768f6621091183 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Bernie :) Well... It looks like your "mistake" of sending out to others instead of just to me has turned out for the best !! There's a lot of great info and discussion coming across the line from it !! I just have to ask a potentially stupid question ... are there no present books (anywhere) available that would cover the info needed ?? Do you HAVE TO create your own ??? I don't have a clue, but I thought I'd put it out to the masses :) Julie :) (BA, RN) (yes, I know... I'm a BARN :) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-153.m2-4.tor.ican.net [142.154.21.153]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16125 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:25:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803301225.HAA16125@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:14 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: References: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 8e5e58c85b59080252d61281079d9f92 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 12:51 AM 31/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >> I have two major questions. >> >>1. Which nursing procedures should be included? >If we are going to look at procedures then I think we should look at some >of the skills preformed under standards that flight nurses do. I cannot >think of a more comparable level of isolation. Hi, Steven: My immediate reaction to this was that it was absolutely perfect, but the more I thought about it, the more I came to think that the flight nurse situation is really short-term...I used to fly two days a week, doing air ambulance runs from Toronto to Florida...the patient care time is only a matter of a few hours, at the most. (Although I realize the military perspective on this may be different.) Most of the rotary-wing flights are even shorter in duration. However, right now I can't think of a more suitable comparison, unless it's outpost nursing. (I did a bit of that, too; I was the ADN at Moose Factory General Hospital MANY years ago.) >If we want to look at nursing concepts that might have wilderness >implications some ideas might be: >Health an illness balance in the wilderness >Transcultural nursing (especially important if doing SAR in foreign areas) >The nursing model (assessment, planning, implementation, and evaluation... >I left off nursing diagnosis for a reason) of not only patients but the > SAR operations as a whole. >Ethics in wilderness medicine >SAR team and patient communications (not the radio type :-) ) >The teaching - learning process (SAR team and patient) >Leadership and management >Infection control >Basic patient monitoring (vitals etc) >Advanced physical and health assessment >Administration of medications >Documentation of procedures performed >Loss, death and the grieving process when the worst occurs. >The basic human needs >Stress management and adaptation >Spiritual health (if you are into this) >Camp hygiene >Nutrition (are there any R.D.'s around) >Promotion and maintenance of sleep >Pain control >Fluid electrolyte and acid - base balances (nurse's seem to grasp this well) >Urinary and bowel elimination in the wilderness >Prevention (e.g. SAFETY) >Mobility and immobility >Substance abuse issues for team members >Wound care and management That's a heck of a list, and it will certainly form the basis for future work. >Humm... these are just a few ideas, and not sure that these are even close >to what your thinking. Now don't get me wrong I don't want us to being care >plans in the field or anything, these are just some ideas. Close, but your list is more comprehensive than what I was thinking. I haven't had time to get this far along. Just goes to show...the power of a group vs. an individual. >>2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >>they are copyrighted. > >I am not sure how to get around this (because I am not a lawyer nor, want >anything to do with law... see EMED-L for details ) There is one >book that I can think of off the top of my head that has attempted to >address the unique nursing position. It is called, "Prehospital Nursing" >and is put out in hardcover from Mosby. It is really a landmark text (I >think) and should be looked at. I am sure that if text is not copied word >for work that the material must be public domain, because it is common >knowledge... but then again I am not a lawyer. My understanding is that there has to be at least a 20 % change in material in order to be legal. I can see this being a real pain in the ass...for example, how do you take a simple thing such as: "Place the thermometer under the tongue" and change 20% of the wording, without making it wordy or changing the meaning? Also, of course, for nursing procedures, we need suitable illustrations or photographs, and with no manpower or budget, this could be a real stumbling block. While I really don't want to re-invent the wheel, by writing a nursing procedures text, I am very concerned about the shortcomings of our present program...in essence, we tell our students that they need to arrange a clinical rotation on their own, to learn all these skills. We expect them to be able to give injectable meds, yet we do not teach the skill. We expect them to be able to insert a Foley catheter, yet we do not teach the skill. This bothers me, since my background (way back) was in Nursing Education. Most of our core group have never cared for a patient on a long-term basis; while they talk about it, they haven't experienced it. Our program is directed by a doctor with his Fellowship in Eemergency Medicine, and some Paramedics. Both categories are traditionally very short-term care. I'd be interested in learning what the military nursing service has in the way of long-term nursing care manuals. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ns40-15.goodnet.com [207.204.253.240]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA01148 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:58:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation with last message X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Tim White Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 14:03:50 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a9e3c9c9116e1d3657d222ca5f9b9d89 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I think addressing nursing care is a great idea. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Bighoss19@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5EFUa10883 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:54:48 -0500 (EST) From: Big hoss19 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:54:48 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 98169db2d02cce2fdec7adbdd68df2b5 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 http://www.csee.usf.edu/~gulledge/tracker.html here is a unofficial link to info about Tom Brown Jr. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from zephyr.traveller.com (zephyr.traveller.com [206.166.224.206]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.166.222.169] (max4-10-218.hsv.tis.net [206.166.222.169]) by zephyr.traveller.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA26194 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:19:28 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:19:28 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: twhite@tvpinc.com (Tim White) Subject: W-EMED Re: ER-NCRC Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d27eec8bf28c859a7584e52706c083a8 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Sorry all....the post that you HAD to read sent to Jack Grandey should have went to him privately. Sorry again. Be Safe, Tim 26949 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zephyr.traveller.com (zephyr.traveller.com [206.166.224.206]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.166.222.145] (max4-10-117.hsv.tis.net [206.166.222.145]) by zephyr.traveller.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA26352 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:09:27 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:09:27 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: twhite@tvpinc.com (Tim White) Subject: W-EMED ER-NCRC Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 24dd5af0bb53a8b025318b260b6dc121 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Jack, Great to hear from you!! Both Pam and I are interested in the ER NCRC program. I took Level 1 in Ind. in '90 but have not had (or should I say taken the time to follow up with Level 2). ER's combo would be great for us, due to time problems and me offering myslef to go registeration at the 1998 NSS Convention we cannot attend NCRC this year. I am the former President of the Huntsville (AL) Cave Rescue Unit, Inc., Chair of the Safety and Training Committee of the Huntsville Grotto and a member of the Safety & Technique Committee for the NSS. Don't know if you know Jim Hall, from Huntsville, I belive he has been an instructor at ER in the past...we are good friends with him. If or when you have info on the week long program, please send it to us. Be Safe, Tim 26949 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (samsui@ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00987 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272115.QAA00987@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:53:18 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page! -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 08f889352e611e62601b28ba7eff176e Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 03:21 PM 27/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Bernie: > >Would you mind including the web site URL in your messages when you >update us on what's going on there? Thanks! > >Elaine Crabtree >ecrabtre@iupui.edu >Medical Educational Resources Program >Indiana University School of Medicine >Indianapolis, IN, USA Hi, Elaine: I just sort of assumed that all our people knew where our web site is. Dumb assumption on my part. It's at: http://www.wemsi.org/ Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hummer.iupui.edu (hummer.iupui.edu [134.68.1.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from iupui.edu (merp.med.iupui.edu [134.68.117.117]) by hummer.iupui.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA21618 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from IUSM-MERP-Message_Server by iupui.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:21:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:21:14 -0500 From: Elaine Crabtree To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page! -Reply Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 67bf24d9a6d313202b76e95c03f52c29 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 Hi Bernie: Would you mind including the web site URL in your messages when you update us on what's going on there? Thanks! Elaine Crabtree ecrabtre@iupui.edu Medical Educational Resources Program Indiana University School of Medicine Indianapolis, IN, USA Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17105 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:19:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272019.PAA17105@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:00:06 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page!: ***CORRECTION*** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a4536349445ae368f6092fd08e8e494b Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi: Sorry, the list came from Bill frost, who got it from Ray Rogers, who got it from Paul Dotson, who got it from.....oh, never mind. TGIF. OOPS: (((Ray Rogers sent me a nice list of SAR-related Catalog suppliers, which came to Ray from Paul Dotson. It's up on our web site, under "Links". Enjoy.))) ADD: Bill Frost's name to the top of this list and send it to ten of your friends. If you break the chain, we will send Jim Hill to spend the weekend at your place. You have been warned! Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15748 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:12:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272012.PAA15748@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:52:54 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b3a2c9b40a5d04223f6eb1be837c9fbd Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi: Ray Rogers sent me a nice list of SAR-related Catalog suppliers, which came to Ray from Paul Dotson. It's up on our web site, under "Links". Enjoy. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15228 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:08:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272008.PAA15228@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:00 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: ER-NCRC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b780433275819fdd3e858d6edfd7f90c Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 07:19 PM 27/03/98 +0000, you wrote: >Sorry all....the post that you HAD to read sent to Jack Grandey should have >went to him privately. Sorry again. > >Be Safe, > >Tim 26949 Hi, Tim: Seems to be an infectious process. I started it off with my mistake, which should have gone privately to Julie; then you replied to that one, to me; then Jack hopped in, and now you've caught the dreaded "Dammit-It's-Friday-Do-You-Know-Where-Your-REPLY-Buttons-Are" disease. However, there's hope for us yet...the weekend is almost here. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zephyr.traveller.com (zephyr.traveller.com [206.166.224.206]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.166.222.152] (max4-10-201.hsv.tis.net [206.166.222.152]) by zephyr.traveller.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA47724 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:19 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:19 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: twhite@tvpinc.com (Tim White) Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: beee27fd70324efd9490b7d5685aa06e Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Bernie, You wrote: > Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about >this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas >well-lormulated before opening my big yap. > > The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by >physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm >outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really >know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders >and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many >specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin >care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not >adequately address this area. > > I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an >appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should >include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are >likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a >"quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." > > I have two major questions. > >1. Which nursing procedures should be included? > >2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >they are copyrighted. > > I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. Just to keep things going in that direction....My wife and I are cavers and members of an active cave rescue unit. Pam is a surgical RN. She has been on many cave rescue, during the most recent we lost the patient, which is something she is not use to occuring. She has developed a great interest in wilderness med. But as you have stated there is very little information that includes and covers nurses. Pam does not have e-mail acccess, so I'll pass this information on to her and let you know her ideas. Be Safe, Tim 26949 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-159.m2-4.tor.ican.net [142.154.21.159]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA24935 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:30:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803271830.NAA24935@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:10:29 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site: Neat New Stuff! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: f8ef4f1ad76a73f12b4ac2b2981ce234 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi: First, my apologies to the list for getting sloppy with my REPLY button...the message I sent to Julie was a private correspondence, and not meant for the list. New Pages on our web site include: 1. Jack Grandey's excellent article, "EMS Underground". 2. Toronto's Traffic Cams. 3. Pittsburgh's Traffic Cam. Please note that the Pittsburgh cam's pictures are not very clear in late afternoon when facing into the sun. 4. Some changes to the Schedule of Courses, mostly prices. 5. Also, don't miss "Casting Call - the Dublin Operation", again by Jack, and it's accompanying pages of photos. Coming soon: a huge list of manufacturers and suppliers of emergency and rescue equipment. This has been under construction for a long time, and is nearing completion. Over 1,800 web pages, with indexing alphabetically and by categories. Also coming soon: several new articles, and hopefully, some new areas. I've received many very helpful offers and suggestions in the last day or two. I've expressed my appreciation to most, but there are a few messages I'm still thinking about. To those people, let me say "thank you!" I'll write as soon as I can catch up. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from emed.upmc.edu (pphled03.dwing.upmc.edu [128.147.175.164]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from EMERG_MED/SpoolDir by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 27 Mar 98 10:57:07 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by EMERG_MED (Mercury 1.30); 27 Mar 98 10:56:51 -0500 Received: from pmp4em34.mckee.upmc.edu by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 27 Mar 98 10:56:50 -0500 From: "Jack T. Grandey" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:41:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5996$df2ee1c0$9e3e9380@pmp4em34.mckee.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu id KAA16513 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ca343124eb59adc729221bc23b89d7ab Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Tim: Just so you know, our WEMT curriculum has had & continues to have the input of a number of nurses (Bernie, included) as we refine its design. More input is always welcome and you are welcome to download it from our web page and submit all comments directly to myself or Dr. Conover. Both of us, as well as others from the WEMSI senior staff are active members of the ER NCRC. Keith is its medical advisor. Sam Chewning, the national NCRC medical advisor is also on our editorial board. We appreciate the value of advanced medical care underground. We are teaching a WEMT class in conjunction with the ER NCRC's week long program, this summer in WV. If you have additional questions, or would like further information, please feel free to contact me directly. JTG Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P Director, Division of Applied Informatics Operations Director Department of Emergency Medicine Wilderness EMS Institute UPMC Health System http://www.wemsi.org/ http://www.upmc.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: Tim White To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 9:25 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help >Bernie, >You wrote: >> Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about >>this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas >>well-lormulated before opening my big yap. >> >> The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by >>physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm >>outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really >>know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders >>and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many >>specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin >>care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not >>adequately address this area. >> >> I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an >>appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should >>include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are >>likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a >>"quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." >> >> I have two major questions. >> >>1. Which nursing procedures should be included? >> >>2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >>they are copyrighted. >> >> I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. > >Just to keep things going in that direction....My wife and I are cavers and >members of an active cave rescue unit. Pam is a surgical RN. She has been >on many cave rescue, during the most recent we lost the patient, which is >something she is not use to occuring. She has developed a great interest in >wilderness med. But as you have stated there is very little information >that includes and covers nurses. Pam does not have e-mail acccess, so I'll >pass this information on to her and let you know her ideas. > > > >Be Safe, > >Tim 26949 > > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.65.167.191]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA20460 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:29:35 +0000 Message-ID: <351BC4BE.62F52A3B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:24:46 -0700 From: Bill Frost X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED [Fwd: [NMSAR FORUM] SAR related catalogs] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9B61F5F3B4EFFF9831147B94" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 65b02c0f373f97e19a8e17c7fc4499f3 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 570949760 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B61F5F3B4EFFF9831147B94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This list of SAR catalogs was forwarded to me by Paul Dotson, > dotson@lanl.gov. It might be of more general interest. > > > Galls's Inc. > 2680 Palumbo Dr. > PO Box 54308 > Lexington, KY 40555-4308 > 1-800-477-7766 > fire/rescue/law enforcement/ems > > Whelen Engineering Co. > Rout 145 > Winthrop Rd. > Chester, CT 06402 > 1-800-637-8762 > emergency lights > > CMC Rescue, Inc. > PO Drawer 6870 > Santa Barbara, CA 93160 > 1-800-235-5741 > rope rescue > > Rock-N-Rescue > PO Box 213 > Valencia, PA 16059 > 1-800-346-7673 > rope rescue > > Adventure Medical Kits > PO Box 43309 > Oakland, CA 94624 > 1-800-324-3517 > backpacking style med. kits > > Mountain Tools > 1-408-393-1000 > rock climbing and other rough terrain equipment. Good site! > email at info@mtntools.com. Address is: > 140 Calle del Oaks > Monterey, CA 93940-5711 fax: 408 393-1010 > > B&B Enterprises > PO Box 441-H > Lewisburg, WV 24901 > 1-304-772-3074 > rope rescue > > The Rescue Source > PO Box 519 > Elk Grove, CA 95759-0519 > 1-800-457-3728 > > Blue Water > 1-800-334-3368 > rope > > Magna Medical, Inc. > 7200 NW 7th Street, 2nd Floor > Miami, FL 33126 > 1-305-261-2211 > medical supply > > Rescue Specialists Unlimited > 1-703-222-0105 > rescue/medical > > Campmor > 1-800-230-2151 > camping/hiking/climbing/boating > > Liberty Mountain Sports > 1-800-366-2666 > camping/climbing > > REI > 1-800-426-4840 > camping/climbing/hiking/boating/biking > > Search Equipment Company > 1-800-473-4901 > 73764.3070@compuserve.com > k-9/water/navigation/communication > > Technical Rescue Services of Vermont > PO Box 29 > Underhill, VT 05489-0025 > 802-899-3427 > rope rescue/communication > > US Aid > PO Box 669306 > Charlotte, NC 28266 > 1-800-767-5757 > 704-357-1717 > Fax: 704-357-1528 > medical/saftey > > Armstrong Medical Industries > 575 Knights Bridge Parkway > PO Box 700 > Lincolnshire, IL 60069-0700 > 1-800-323-4220 > Fax: 847-913-0138 > > Chinook > PO Box 725 > Chambers Ave. 12 > Eagle, CO 81631 > medical/alpine/rescue > > Zee > 1-800-228-2878 > Charlotte, NC 1-800-849-0331 > medical/saftey > > Forestry Supplies, Inc. > PO Box 8397 > Jackson, MS 39284-8397 > 1-800-647-5368 > --------------9B61F5F3B4EFFF9831147B94 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mailhost.nmt.edu ([129.138.4.52]) by mtiwgwc01.worldnet.att.net (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980305060625.HVSW21763@mailhost.nmt.edu>; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:06:25 +0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailhost.nmt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA22424 for nmsar-forum-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:02:57 -0700 Received: from Rt66.com (mack.rt66.com [198.59.162.1]) by mailhost.nmt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA22416 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:02:52 -0700 Received: from pmc21.rt66.com (pmc19.rt66.com [204.134.97.39]) by Rt66.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03380 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by pmc21.rt66.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD47C1.CD1C8320@pmc21.rt66.com>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD47C1.CD1C8320@pmc21.rt66.com> From: Ray and Joan Rogers To: "'SAR forum'" Subject: [NMSAR FORUM] SAR related catalogs Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:24:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nmsar-forum@nmt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nmsar-forum@nmt.edu This list of SAR catalogs was forwarded to me by Paul Dotson, dotson@lanl.gov. It might be of more general interest. Ray Galls's Inc. 2680 Palumbo Dr. PO Box 54308 Lexington, KY 40555-4308 1-800-477-7766 fire/rescue/law enforcement/ems Whelen Engineering Co. Rout 145 Winthrop Rd. Chester, CT 06402 1-800-637-8762 emergency lights CMC Rescue, Inc. PO Drawer 6870 Santa Barbara, CA 93160 1-800-235-5741 rope rescue Rock-N-Rescue PO Box 213 Valencia, PA 16059 1-800-346-7673 rope rescue Adventure Medical Kits PO Box 43309 Oakland, CA 94624 1-800-324-3517 backpacking style med. kits Mountain Tools 1-408-393-1000 rock climbing and other rough terrain equipment. Good site! email at info@mtntools.com. Address is: 140 Calle del Oaks Monterey, CA 93940-5711 fax: 408 393-1010 B&B Enterprises PO Box 441-H Lewisburg, WV 24901 1-304-772-3074 rope rescue The Rescue Source PO Box 519 Elk Grove, CA 95759-0519 1-800-457-3728 Blue Water 1-800-334-3368 rope Magna Medical, Inc. 7200 NW 7th Street, 2nd Floor Miami, FL 33126 1-305-261-2211 medical supply Rescue Specialists Unlimited 1-703-222-0105 rescue/medical Campmor 1-800-230-2151 camping/hiking/climbing/boating Liberty Mountain Sports 1-800-366-2666 camping/climbing REI 1-800-426-4840 camping/climbing/hiking/boating/biking Search Equipment Company 1-800-473-4901 73764.3070@compuserve.com k-9/water/navigation/communication Technical Rescue Services of Vermont PO Box 29 Underhill, VT 05489-0025 802-899-3427 rope rescue/communication US Aid PO Box 669306 Charlotte, NC 28266 1-800-767-5757 704-357-1717 Fax: 704-357-1528 medical/saftey Armstrong Medical Industries 575 Knights Bridge Parkway PO Box 700 Lincolnshire, IL 60069-0700 1-800-323-4220 Fax: 847-913-0138 Chinook PO Box 725 Chambers Ave. 12 Eagle, CO 81631 medical/alpine/rescue Zee 1-800-228-2878 Charlotte, NC 1-800-849-0331 medical/saftey Forestry Supplies, Inc. 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA24103 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:55:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803270455.WAA24103@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from tuc-az5-03.ix.netcom.com(198.211.136.67) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024035; Thu Mar 26 22:54:52 1998 From: "JS Gladstone" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:41:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ef19f30a6e4c99c4f256324b436822b1 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I like your idea about the nursing care. I'm not a nurse myself, but as a WOFA instructor, my students' prime concern is caring for a victim until help arrives. Adding a nursing section to a cirriculum would benefit all, both professional and lay alike. Joe Gladstone, EMT-B MPH Student (Health Promotion) University of Arizona ---------- > From: Bernie Roche > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help > Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 3:53 PM > Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about > this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas > well-lormulated before opening my big yap. > > The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by > physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm > outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really > know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders > and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many > specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin > care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not > adequately address this area. > > I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an > appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should > include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are > likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a > "quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." > > I have two major questions. > > 1. Which nursing procedures should be included? > > 2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; > they are copyrighted. > > I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. > > Best Wishes, > > Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ > WEMSI Web Site Administrator > > broche@tcn.net > > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-217.m2-13.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.217]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28735 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:17:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803262317.SAA28735@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:10 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: References: <199803222315.SAA20086@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 0531c20b936c8cb964d1a2994c01647c X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 12:53 PM 26/03/98 -0900, you wrote: >I am fairly new to the internet, so i'm afraid that I don't really know of >many web sites. I did enjoy looking at the sites of medical suppliers and >manufactures as I purchase my own gear and don't really know any other >medics to ask about products and stuff. Sorry I'm replying so late but i've >been off the PC for a little over a week. > Steve Hi, Steve: Thanks for the reply. I'm working on a HUGE list of equipment suppliers, but it will be a while yet. It has about 1,800 web pages so far! - one for each manufacturer or supplier, plus index pages. Most of our visitors have NO idea how much work (I'm an unpaid volunteer) goes into a web site. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-217.m2-13.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.217]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27724 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:13:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:53:41 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> References: <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d38211c29c5ae3018f91fdddeb7c9c7d X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 08:10 AM 26/03/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Bernie, > >I am writing to tell you that I am one of those people who is in the >category of "knows nothing about wilderness things" and looks at the >mailings for fun and knowledge. I confess that I have not even been to >the web page yet as we just moved from Idaho to central Alberta. I am >an Obstetrics Nurse, with a Bachelor of Arts. I do have a few ideas for >you but have no idea if anyone else would like them: Hi, Julie: It's nice to see a "fellow nurse" on the mailing list. And thanks for the input. I really appreciate it. >1. Writings of the Wilderness - do any of you write about your >experiences ?? Either just hiking or on rescue missions ??? If no one >does then this type of page would be a bomb - but I would be interested >in seeing submissions of poems, stories (maybe even drawings :) from >people. Maybe even Comics on the topic (like For Better Or For Worse) ? Geat idea! We do already have a complete novel on our web site, but it's about caving. My problem is that I keep asking for articles, and getting none. I can't publish what I don't have. I'd be happy to make space available for the materials you've mentioned above. >2. My husband would like to have a link to Tom Brown Jr., who is an >excellent tracker and even has a school - sorry I don't have the link >but I can look for it and send it later. I'd appreciate it. That's one area we need to develop...pages linking to other SAr groups, resources, etc. I'm working on a listing of manufacturers and supplier of emergency equipemtn right now. It's about 1,800 web pages at the moment...one for each supplier, plus index pages. Most of our visitors have NO idea how much work (unpaid volunteer) goes into this site. That's why I growl on the mailing list...our staffers are not pulling their weight. >3. Have a section on Medical News in The News. This could have things >like reports on Latex Allergies, and if there was a topic of interest >people could ask for info there on a "sign-in" page, and leave their >address for others to get in touch with them. Another fine idea. I like it. It goes into the "To Do" file. Especially the "sign-in" page. However, one major problem is that most of the announcements are copyrighted. I have to be very careful how I "acquire" material. >I really don't know what you were looking for and/or if this stuff is of >any use to you - but it's my 2-bits-worth !! I will keep thinking and >throw some more stuff at you if I come up with something. It's a great help, Julie. New ideas are always welcome. Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas well-lormulated before opening my big yap. The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not adequately address this area. I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a "quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." I have two major questions. 1. Which nursing procedures should be included? 2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; they are copyrighted. I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts13-13.goodnet.com [207.98.132.142]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA11121 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:50:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> References: Conversation <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> with last message <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 16:56:06 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 8ccec1648f9a6ebd2b06e76332b5c380 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Howard, glad you liked mt Hamish quotes, you thief. Love & Kisses, Tim. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Student.northstar.k12.ak.us (student.northstar.k12.ak.us [198.104.160.15]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [198.104.165.178] ([198.104.165.178]) by Student.northstar.k12.ak.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26433 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:20:40 -0900 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803222315.SAA20086@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:53:16 -0900 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: STEVE ANDERSON <01as@student.northstar.k12.ak.us> Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: f98f52a2866e375130f442986cfb544e X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I am fairly new to the internet, so i'm afraid that I don't really know of many web sites. I did enjoy looking at the sites of medical suppliers and manufactures as I purchase my own gear and don't really know any other medics to ask about products and stuff. Sorry I'm replying so late but i've been off the PC for a little over a week. Steve >Hi: > > I am working on adding a new page to our rapidly growing web site. It >will allow visitors to add hyperlinks (URLs) to sites they have found >useful. The test page is already programmed and running properly. > > The next step is to decide what categories or main headings we should >use. Since these will be in a pull-down box, they need to be fairly broad >in nature. I would like to have not more than 12 at the very most. (I >have a feeling "Miscellaneous" will be very popular.) :-) > > Please use your REPLY button to send back to me a list of the >categories you would like to see included on this page. > > 1. > > 2. > > 3. > > 4. > > 5. > > 6. > > 7. > > 8. > > 9. > >10. > >11. > >12. > >Thank you for your help. > >Best Wishes, > >Bernie Roche >WEMSI Web Site Administrator >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from BMannix@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5XGPa08407 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) From: BMannix Message-ID: <4b05fe7.351a67e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:14 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED Hamish MacInnes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 73b1471071f24b11684276c205e181e9 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 In a message dated 98-03-26 03:31:24 EST, Lana wrote: << hm.. that's wierd.. who is Hamish MacInnes? I went to High School with a Hamish MacInnes.. >> Not the same one. Hamish MacInnes is one of the great British climbers of the mid-20th century who cut his teeth on the crags of Scotland. He has had a tremendous influence on mountain rescue techniques, as well as on ice climbing and the design of modern ice tools. But, more than anything else, I think of him as one of the innovators who popularized the notion that climbing over difficult terrain in "full conditions" can be fun. "Full conditions" are those times when you don't much mind your eyes freezing shut 'cause you couldn't see anything through the blizzard anyway. --Brian Mannix Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ppp42.ecentral.com [206.64.70.42]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA24647 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:12:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:12:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@ecentral.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: c18be28d81836408af2605f3f5f6cd01 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 01:20 AM 3/26/98 -0700, you wrote: > hm.. that's wierd.. who is hamish MacInnes? I went to High >School with a Hamish MacInnes.. and I refuse to believe that it's a common >north american name. > Hamish MacInnes, a Scottish mountaineer considered by many as the father of modern mountain rescue. ______________________________________ H o w a r d M. P a u l EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board ASTM Committee F32 on SAR ______________ "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ua1.cnnet.com ([207.229.6.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.229.6.133] by ua1.cnnet.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aikr) with ESMTP id wa296084 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:14:35 -0700 Message-ID: <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:10:15 -0700 From: s+j nolan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help References: <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: c6d11876b6e6b60f63dc3d78639f2771 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi Bernie, I am writing to tell you that I am one of those people who is in the category of "knows nothing about wilderness things" and looks at the mailings for fun and knowledge. I confess that I have not even been to the web page yet as we just moved from Idaho to central Alberta. I am an Obstetrics Nurse, with a Bachelor of Arts. I do have a few ideas for you but have no idea if anyone else would like them: 1. Writings of the Wilderness - do any of you write about your experiences ?? Either just hiking or on rescue missions ??? If no one does then this type of page would be a bomb - but I would be interested in seeing submissions of poems, stories (maybe even drawings :) from people. Maybe even Comics on the topic (like For Better Or For Worse) ? 2. My husband would like to have a link to Tom Brown Jr., who is an excellent tracker and even has a school - sorry I don't have the link but I can look for it and send it later. 3. Have a section on Medical News in The News. This could have things like reports on Latex Allergies, and if there was a topic of interest people could ask for info there on a "sign-in" page, and leave their address for others to get in touch with them. I really don't know what you were looking for and/or if this stuff is of any use to you - but it's my 2-bits-worth !! I will keep thinking and throw some more stuff at you if I come up with something. Julie :) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from nucleus.com (root@nucleus.com [199.45.65.129]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (pm1-cgy-72.nucleus.com [207.34.67.72]) by nucleus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8-NIS-11-28.97) with ESMTP id BAA20044 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:40:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803260840.BAA20044@nucleus.com> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:20:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b3feafa651cdcdad248b3f49c44595f0 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 | From: Tim Kovacs | Thank you for your candor. I'm pleased it was not a stokes which broke, | which, by the way, are usually easy to acquire cheap or free via military | surplus - and you just can't kill 'em. Yes! that's been my experience with them as well... I have yet to see a plastic basket stretcher so much as dented .. and well.. on a REALLY old wire basket stretcher I used once, the wires were getting loose and rattled in the back of the truck... but it still worked fine :-) |Of course, they are about 37 pounds. hm.. .. there's that strange adversion I have to carrying personal gear, a trauma pack AND a 37 pound stretcher up a mountain pass... I wonder why I would have such a strange adversion... I think If I can convince somebody to donate a basket stretcher to us .. we will likely go with it. Mind you.. I'll go with anything that somebody will donate to us! :-) Otherwise.. I'm gonna try and convince the guys that control the budget that they should dish out the cash for a lifesuit. The SKED, I have seen.. I'm convinced that it is THE thing for dragging people out of caves, crevaces, and up the side of cliffs... but for just plain walking down the trail i'm not convinced. However, it COULD double as a giant Crazy-Carpet for winter fun! :-) Back to the lifesuit. It's really just like a large rip-stop nylon body-bag... or bivi-sack.. or some sort of hybrid between the two. I found out most of what I know about it on their website www.lifesuit.com and from coorespondance from some e-mail I sent them. Rigid it's not.. but I think that it would be a comfortable ride out if the non-spinal pt. was given a ensolite or therm-a-rest while in the lifesuit. | rescuer." Hamish MacInnes hm.. that's wierd.. who is hamish MacInnes? I went to High School with a Hamish MacInnes.. and I refuse to believe that it's a common north american name. later Lana Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts18-6.goodnet.com [207.98.133.39]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA26501 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:05:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803251614.LAA23329@titan.tcn.net> References: Conversation with last message <199803251614.LAA23329@titan.tcn.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 21:11:19 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d72ded0637e6b3fbc82d20ae419133ac X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Don't know how I can help, especially since I am a website and internet neophyte, but anything we can do from the MRA to be helpful or supportive, we'll do. "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Tim Kovacs. tkovacs@goodnet.com Vice President, MRA Ops Leader/ Paramedic/ WEMT-P, Maricopa COunty Sheriff's Office Mountain Rescue/ Central AZ Mtn Rescue Assn Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from naps.uwindsor.ca (dns.uwindsor.ca [137.207.232.1]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: id LAA06750; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:05 -0500 Received: by gateway id LAA08818 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:12 -0500 X-Sender: pirie1@server.uwindsor.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:38:05 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Steven D. Pirie" Subject: W-EMED Eye Exams Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: c0f81b34259ab871ba4f79961d2ac26d X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 Hello everyone, I was noticing the other day that Cyclopentolate HCl was in the search part of the WEMSI wilderness search and rescue medical kits. I have a few questions for you? 1. How many of you are using it in your field practices for eye exams? What are the indications? 2. Do you find that it is of great benefit or could you get away without it? 3. Does anyone have a protocol for use and / or a teaching module for the drug to teach medics? Thanks in advance, Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OCdt Steven D. Pirie, BScN(c) Nursing Officer (Land) University of Windsor Canadian Forces Medical Service ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-132.m2-4.tor.ican.net [142.154.21.132]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23329 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251614.LAA23329@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:50 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 4a8e201c259f8d345a14c0a1932a4a87 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 10:19 AM 25/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >>From Western Mass Con-ed Outlines > >http://wmems.org/wilderne.htm > >Solo in Conway NH >http://www.stonehearth.com/ > >lookin for training related sites (web) for a listing being put together by >the National Collegiate EMS Foundation >http://www.ncemsf.org/ feel to send them privately Hi: Thanks for the help. I'll get working on this. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Bighoss19@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5YSLa09986 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:19:16 -0500 (EST) From: Big hoss19 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:19:16 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: eb703122789fb75df990c3704242e00d X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >From Western Mass Con-ed Outlines http://wmems.org/wilderne.htm Solo in Conway NH http://www.stonehearth.com/ lookin for training related sites (web) for a listing being put together by the National Collegiate EMS Foundation http://www.ncemsf.org/ feel to send them privately Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-161.m2-12.tor.ican.net [142.154.22.161]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15821 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251536.KAA15821@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:09:48 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: <816efa6.35191b18@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: e4bc6f5b468429c4ba0f8eed639c2ac5 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 09:56 AM 25/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >How about links to communications-related sites (if not already included)? I >can supply several. Just say the word. IMHO, communications is and has >always been a terribly insufficiently-covered topic in emergency medicine. >Glad to help if I can. > >Jeff Howell, EMT (et al) Hi, Jeff: I agree...communications is the area which usually causes the most problems in SAR, Disaster work, and wilderness medicine. I'd love to do a page or area devoted to communications. Go Wild! You can have all the space you want. Text, Pics, stray dogs, you name it. I have no idea how much or little you know about web page construction. If you know how, go for it. If not, send me plain ascii text, and pics if any, as e-mail attachments, and I'll do the rest. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche WEMSI Web Site Administrator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from JHowel@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5FCIa07206 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:18 -0500 (EST) From: J Howel Message-ID: <816efa6.35191b18@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:18 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 93f840ee2bd635d5ce7b5c4313e10915 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 How about links to communications-related sites (if not already included)? I can supply several. Just say the word. IMHO, communications is and has always been a terribly insufficiently-covered topic in emergency medicine. Glad to help if I can. Jeff Howell, EMT (et al) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:20:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:20:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:19:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from Student.northstar.k12.ak.us (student.northstar.k12.ak.us [198.104.160.15]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from [198.104.165.175] ([198.104.165.175]) by Student.northstar.k12.ak.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA20491 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:34:35 -0900 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:34:35 -0900 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803162224.PAA00699@nucleus.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: STEVE ANDERSON <01as@student.northstar.k12.ak.us> Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 9bc883102afe768d33b8269760080ac2 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 For inexpensive storage of small first aid kits, I suggest what are commonly called "fanny packs" there are fairly cheap and available in some larger sizes also. Good luck >Hi everybody, > > I'm the Director of Health Services for a YMCA summer camp. My team >and I will be stocking something like 60 first aid kits for staff to take >on outtrips, and 115 some odd small kits for staff to carry around all the >time.. I have some questions with regards to personal preference that I >would like to take a pole on. > > How many people use moleskin for blisters vs. some other more expensive >thing > > How many folks use duct-tape to hold their bandaids, steri-strips, and >moleskin on vs. Friar's Balsam (tincture of benzoin) > > - I'm currently fighting with the idea of stocking kits with friar's >balsam.. and debating the cost issue of getting the stuff.. and then >finding small non-breakable containers to put it in for kits. I know lots >of our staff are big believers in duct-tape to hold mole-skin on.. heck.. >even instead of moleskin in a boot. > >Thanks for your input! > > >Lana Berrington, EMT-A > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:01:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:59:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:59:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-100.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.100]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id IAA16576 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:19:07 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:32:55 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: <199803250317.VAA18781@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 7cc74dfce2171df84614f4c0c8f5ecfd X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 08:09 PM 24/03/98 -0700, you wrote: >Sorry for not replying Bernie. I'm in an MPH program right now. My main >interests are getting through biostats this semester. I hope to be able to >get back out into the bush and get active w/WEMSI over the summer and after >graduation in May '99. Hi, Jack: Thanks for the reply. I was trying to rattle the cages of the WEMSI "regulars" and "staffers", but had no easy way of mailing to them only, so my messages went also to all those who subscribe to WEMSI's mailing list out of general interest. The response rate, at this point, is a little less than 2 %. What is really interesting is that the group responding, with the exception of the first reply from Jack Grandey, is composed entirely of people in the same situation as youreslf....living far away from WEMSI's main area, and apparently subscribed through general interest. I don't know why I get such a poor ( 0 % ) response from our own staffers. > >If you haven't heard of this yet, Washington State Dept of Health - Office >of Emerg Med & Trauma Prev is developing a "Prolonged Prehospital Emergency >Care Course." I received a guide last February and I finally looked at it >tonight (I now live in Arizona, home of the Wildshotcats). The course >guide can be downloaded from http://www.doh.wa.gov/emtp/. Go to "What's >Inside" and then go to "Publications & Reports." I had not heard of this. I'll take a look and see if I can link to it, or whatever seems appropriate. That reminds me...I should have a page on our site listing all the other similar groups, and highlighting their activities. your reply has thus given me two things I can work on. Great! Thanks, Jack, and Best Wishes, Bernie Roche WEMSI Web Site Administrator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:15:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:13:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-b2-13.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.103]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:13:04 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251213.HAA00751@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: "Steven D. Pirie" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:13:02 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Eye Exams CC: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ee0acce32ae8d49ceefa82414aede310 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 On 25 Mar 98 at 11:38, Steven D. Pirie wrote: > 2. Do you find that it is of great benefit or could you get away > without it? If you've got snowblindness or a bad abrasion, it may be helpful enough to allow self-rescue -- minimizing the amount of narcotic needed for pain relief, by relieving some of the ciliary muscle and iris spasm and resultant pain. > 3. Does anyone have a protocol for use and / or a teaching module > for the drug to teach medics? The WEMSI Wilderness Medical Problems lesson plan, posted at www.wemsi.org contains an outline for this. Take care. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:22:38 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:22:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:20:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:18:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.15]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA18781 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:17:42 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803250317.VAA18781@dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com> Received: from tuc-az1-19.ix.netcom.com(204.32.173.51) by dfw-ix15.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma018720; Tue Mar 24 21:17:23 1998 From: "JS Gladstone" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:09:19 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: dd2731398a119a15babe766a3dc6ac42 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Sorry for not replying Bernie. I'm in an MPH program right now. My main interests are getting through biostats this semester. I hope to be able to get back out into the bush and get active w/WEMSI over the summer and after graduation in May '99. If you haven't heard of this yet, Washington State Dept of Health - Office of Emerg Med & Trauma Prev is developing a "Prolonged Prehospital Emergency Care Course." I received a guide last February and I finally looked at it tonight (I now live in Arizona, home of the Wildshotcats). The course guide can be downloaded from http://www.doh.wa.gov/emtp/. Go to "What's Inside" and then go to "Publications & Reports." Well, back to the books. Joe Gladstone Health Promotion & Education Arizona Graduate Program in Public Health Tucson ---------- > From: Bernie Roche > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help > Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 8:16 AM > > Dear Friends of WEMSI: > > Jack Grandey suggested to me recently that I might use this mailing > list more, when working on and promoting our WEMSI web site. So last > Sunday, I sent the message below. I received one reply...from Jack Grandey. > > I checked the mailing list server five minutes ago. We have 312 > subscribers. To the 311 who did not reply, let me extend my sincere > appreciation for the help and important contributions you are making. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-019.m2-15.tor.ican.net [142.154.19.19]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA01231 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:35:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:16:20 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a0b0855d01d3314c7514fadd4121c2d2 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Dear Friends of WEMSI: Jack Grandey suggested to me recently that I might use this mailing list more, when working on and promoting our WEMSI web site. So last Sunday, I sent the message below. I received one reply...from Jack Grandey. I checked the mailing list server five minutes ago. We have 312 subscribers. To the 311 who did not reply, let me extend my sincere appreciation for the help and important contributions you are making. Come on, people, get off your butts. WEMSI, and WEMSI projects, can only be successful through our people. I'm putting many hours every week into our web site, but I can't do it all alone. In the past, I've begged for articles, and had the same level of response. Other than official WEMSI publications, in the last three years, I've received ONE article from Jim Hill, ONE article from Jack Grandey, Some pics from Jack, and some pics from Barry Burton. If I've missed anyone on this, I apologize, but those are the only ones I can remember. We're all busy, we all have too many irons in the fire, but surely you can take a moment to answer the occasional query. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche WEMSI Web Site Administrator Hi: I am working on adding a new page to our rapidly growing web site. It will allow visitors to add hyperlinks (URLs) to sites they have found useful. The test page is already programmed and running properly. The next step is to decide what categories or main headings we should use. Since these will be in a pull-down box, they need to be fairly broad in nature. I would like to have not more than 12 at the very most. (I have a feeling "Miscellaneous" will be very popular.) :-) Please use your REPLY button to send back to me a list of the categories you would like to see included on this page. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Thank you for your help. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche WEMSI Web Site Administrator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:27:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:27:05 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:27:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from wali.com (spectralogic.com [205.184.208.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:17:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from reactor.spectralogic.com (reactor [205.184.208.138]) by wali.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with ESMTP id KAA07593 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:13:30 -0700 Received: by reactor with Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) id ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:32 -0700 Message-ID: From: SteveK To: "'wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu'" Subject: RE: W-EMED A Great Backcountry Litter Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:12:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.1960.3) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d8714a1d0af60008c5e6e6933cee98f9 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >> B. There is a limit as to the size of patient it will accommodate: in other >> words, if the patient is big forget the SKED. >> B2. If you use one of the "bean-bag" full body vacuum mattresses, the size >> of patient it will accommodate decreases enormously. I agree with Howard's comments on these limitations and will add another; lack of rigidity which limits the SKED's use in spine injured subjects. This problem is exacerbated as the patient size increases. However, I really do like the SKED for some things, and have used it on a couple 3000+ foot steep snow lowerings and it works fabulously, even if the patient is too big. If I know I have a subject with a broken tib/fib on a snowfield at 11,000 ft. who has no spine problems I will opt for a SKED every time. Steve Kelleher Alpine Rescue Team Evergreen, CO. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:05:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:05:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:01:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:01:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ppp72.ecentral.com [206.64.70.72]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA01695 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:02:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:02:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199803241602.JAA01695@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@ecentral.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED A Great Backcountry Litter Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 28e0c1420d1267ab9639107b79ccab6a X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 05:15 PM 3/23/98 EST, you wrote: >Just my two cents worth having used and been a mock pt in the SKED. People >have to remember that it is very thin and when they set the pt down on any >place but a nice carpet it might just hurt a bit if there isn't a back board >under them. If anyone may care for another two pennies: A. The SKED is an unnerving experience for claustrophobic patients... yes, even more than being trussed up in a conventional wire basket (stokes) litter. B. There is a limit as to the size of patient it will accommodate: in other words, if the patient is big forget the SKED. B2. If you use one of the "bean-bag" full body vacuum mattresses, the size of patient it will accommodate decreases enormously. ______________________________________ H o w a r d M. P a u l EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board ASTM Committee F32 on SAR ______________ "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:32:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:32:33 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:32:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:28:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:27:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 00:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts18-5.goodnet.com [207.98.133.38]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA01433 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:28:54 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.19980323104548.007a9a70@somtel.com> References: Conversation <199802191844.LAA20793@preytor.ecentral.COM> with last message <3.0.5.32.19980323104548.007a9a70@somtel.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Maine c-spine protocols? Date: Mon, 23 Mar 98 21:35:16 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a9359bf324f187d4ca2c1935e421b2d3 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Sorry gang, I accidentally hit the WEMS NEWS, meaning to get to Howard Paul regarding my sending him Peter Goth's & Maine's C-Spine protocols. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:19:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:17:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:16:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from zephyr.traveller.com (zephyr.traveller.com [206.166.224.206]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:16:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.166.222.193] (max5-10-101.hsv.tis.net [206.166.222.193]) by zephyr.traveller.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA23656 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:16:00 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:16:00 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: twhite@tvpinc.com (tim white) Subject: W-EMED A Great Backcountry Litter Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: e800ae45291f26f15dee320e70de7ac7 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 There has been some discussion on backcountry litters. Let me make a suggestion form personal experience. The Huntsville Cave Rescue Unit, Inc. thinks very highly of the SKED Stretcher made by Skedco. The Sked is rescue system that performs the functions of a stokes and basket type stretcher, yet is much more compact, light weight and rolled up in cordura backpack it is only 9 inch diameter x 36 inch length and weighs 19 lbs. It can be used for confined space, high angle or technical rescue, and traditional land based applications. It comes equipped for horizontal hoisting or vertical lifting. When the patient is packaged the stretcher becomes rigid. We have used this system in cave, rock, and whitewater rescues. Check them out at www.skedco.com Tim White NSS# 26949 _____________________________________________________________________________ Member- Safety and Technique Committee of The National Speleological Society Chair- Safety and Training Committee of the Huntsville Grotto of The NSS Member and Past President- Huntsville Cave Rescue Unit, Inc. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:04:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:04:22 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:04:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:02:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:02:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from camel7.mindspring.com (camel7.mindspring.com [207.69.200.57]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:01:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-37kb95c.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.164.172]) by camel7.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id SAA24694 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:01:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19980323180303.464774c4@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: pmturner@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:03:03 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Patton Turner Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! In-Reply-To: <199803222240.RAA20934@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: <35152837.F82A40A5@redrose.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 42c837dc61de1bc13a798d73910fe7f8 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 05:40 PM 3/22/98 +0000, you wrote: >On 22 Mar 98 at 10:03, Chris Porter wrote: > >> I haven't had a lot of success with the Benzoin swabs lasting in my >> aid kit. They generally break or the swab part gets rock hard. I >> personally use athletic tape and not duct tape if I need it to hold >> moleskin on. I haven't tried duct tape.. I assume you are refering to swab sticks right? They seem poorly designed for any kit not rigidly packed in a hard case. It would be nice it someone packed it in the crushable swabs as are used for PVP iodine and insect sting relief products. Richard DeCastro noted that he has a few from some sort of prepackaged tray, but neither of us has seen them offered by themselves. It would seem to be a good addition to the product line of Moore or Dynamed. Pat Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:19:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:18:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:17:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:16:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from Caverbru@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5UYLa10831 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:15:19 -0500 (EST) From: Caverbru Message-ID: <7e2c7e76.3516def9@aol.com> Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:15:19 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED A Great Backcountry Litter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 62 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d611648b1c0b9c314505449245cd1ede X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Just my two cents worth having used and been a mock pt in the SKED. People have to remember that it is very thin and when they set the pt down on any place but a nice carpet it might just hurt a bit if there isn't a back board under them. Bru Randall Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:56:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:55:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:52:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:51:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from quint.somtel.com (Quint.somtel.com [206.139.114.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:51:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (dialup-st-18.somtel.com [206.139.115.147]) by quint.somtel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA00781 for ; Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:51:21 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980323104548.007a9a70@somtel.com> X-Sender: willow@somtel.com (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:45:48 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "B. David Rackliffe, Jr." Subject: Re: W-EMED Maine c-spine protocols? In-Reply-To: References: <199802191844.LAA20793@preytor.ecentral.COM> <199802191844.LAA20793@preytor.ecentral.COM> <199802191844.LAA20793@preytor.ecentral.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 068aba81f297b5424936a0c60f4875f1 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Tim, As a paramedic in MAINE and a WEMT, I am very familiar with Dr. Peter Goth's C-Spine protocol. You noted in your e-mail something about finding it, and being in the mail. Did you just get it in the mail, or are you sending it to someone else???? Just curious. David Rackliffe, EMT-P At 02:53 PM 3/22/98 PST, you wrote: >Just found my copy of Goth's MAINE C-Spine protocol. In the mail in the >morning. >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:00:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:00:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:56:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:56:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-193.m2-14.tor.ican.net [142.154.22.193]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA20086 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 18:15:36 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803222315.SAA20086@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:56:40 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 34d2524d54230f53db5e49c35b8e25d8 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi: I am working on adding a new page to our rapidly growing web site. It will allow visitors to add hyperlinks (URLs) to sites they have found useful. The test page is already programmed and running properly. The next step is to decide what categories or main headings we should use. Since these will be in a pull-down box, they need to be fairly broad in nature. I would like to have not more than 12 at the very most. (I have a feeling "Miscellaneous" will be very popular.) :-) Please use your REPLY button to send back to me a list of the categories you would like to see included on this page. 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11. 12. Thank you for your help. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche WEMSI Web Site Administrator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:43:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-f2-4.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.21.94]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803222240.RAA20934@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: Chris Porter , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:40:06 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! In-reply-to: <35152837.F82A40A5@redrose.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 2eb47457c2a0226ace3c73b9e0e23021 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 On 22 Mar 98 at 10:03, Chris Porter wrote: > I haven't had a lot of success with the Benzoin swabs lasting in my > aid kit. They generally break or the swab part gets rock hard. I > personally use athletic tape and not duct tape if I need it to hold > moleskin on. I haven't tried duct tape.. I've found that tiny Nalgene bottles seem to be secure for this. At least I haven't found my medical kit full of benzoin _yet_. However, I've had a couple of leaks from the disposable swabs ["help, my hand's stuck in my first aid kit and I can't get it out"] --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:09:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:09:23 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:09:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:07:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-f2-4.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.21.94]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:06:57 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803222206.RAA19775@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:06:45 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED WMS Rescue Colloquium information X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 40796e3c87b34a9bbf07d65b05d9ba68 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Wilderness Medical Society Annual Scientific Assembly "Rescue in the Wilderness" Lake Placid Resort, NY, July 20-25, 1998 by Anne Dickison, M.D. The Wilderness Medical Society chose Lake Placid as its 1998 summer meeting site for many reasons. The wide diversity of outdoor activities was appealing for vacationers, families, sports enthusiasts, photographers, the adventure- minded, and the seekers of serenity. The varieties of terrain were conducive to hands-on skill stations and clinics in rock climbing, technical rescue, river rescue, survival techniques, bivouacs, SAR operations, land navigation, helicopter demonstrations, and more. Convention and resort facilities were plentiful, yet economic lodging was also available. Nationally and internationally recognized speakers will address timely and sometimes controversial topics in this year's program focussing on "Rescue in the Wilderness." For $12/meal, the conference attendee can sign up with the Munch-With-A-Mentor program for additional interaction with the speakers. Evening programs, small workshops, social receptions, and breaks provide even more opportunity to approach the faculty and mingle with the many intriguing people attending the conference. WMS has extended an invitation to NASAR and other organizations to apply for one of the courtesy meeting rooms provided by WMS on Monday afternoon, July 20. This might provide a unique opportunity for committee work, an opportunity to initiate discussion of a Medical Section within NASAR, a chance to recruit new members or promote NASAR activities, or a nice way of discovering which individuals at the conference might hold dual memberships to both WMS and NASAR. Monday evening is the official kick-off for a terrific week. NASAR members are encouraged to submit abstracts to WMS for the evening session devoted to personal rescue experiences. The Participant's Art Show is another forum for attendee participation. People's Choice Awards will be given to the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place winners with Rescue or Wilderness art show entries. Yet other participational activities will be available in the form of star gazing, birdwatching, sunrise meditation, night goggle exercises, a SAR Op overnight, and a martial arts demonstration. One does not have to be a physician or research scientist in order to enjoy or benefit from this conference. Associated with but entirely separate from the WMS conference are a selection of extended workshops or skills clinics. NASAR will be putting on a SAR- Technician II & III Examination and another of its SAR Medical Responder Instructor Workshops on Saturday/Sunday, July 25-26. Individuals wishing more information about these should contact Tom Millen, NASAR's VP of Education. On Friday, July 24, there will be a Colloquium on "Critical Issues in Wilderness Medicine Education." Offered at $25 for conference attendees and $50 for others, this Colloquium and its syllabus are not to be missed. Additional extracurricular clinics include "Tactical Combat Casualty Care," "River Rescue," "Confined Space Medicine," "Technical Rescue," "A Day at the Improv," "Field Airway Management," and "Inward Bound." By special invitation NASAR members are extended the same registration fees as WMS members: if registered before May 31, the member fee is $295 for Resident Physicians, RNs, EMTs, and PAs; $195 for Students and Volunteer Rescuers; and $150 for guests. For a brochure or further information please contact the Wilderness Medical Society at (317) 631-1745, or by e-mail at WMS@indy.net. Anne Dickison, M.D.; Past Chair, NASAR Medical Advisory Committee; Chair, WMS Program Planning Committee for Lake Placid; Co-Chair, WMS Liaison Committee; Board of Directors, Wilderness Medical Society Wilderness Medical Society P.O. Box 2463 Indianapolis, IN 46206 1-317-631-1745 http://www.a1.com/wms/ email: "Wilderness Medical Society" --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:49:24 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:46:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts16-5.goodnet.com [207.98.132.230]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA25498 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:47:19 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199802191844.LAA20793@preytor.ecentral.COM> References: Conversation <199802191844.LAA20793@preytor.ecentral.COM> with last message <199802191844.LAA20793@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Maine c-spine protocols? Date: Sun, 22 Mar 98 14:53:49 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 9031a7634085c32619caa880c9cdd0ac X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Just found my copy of Goth's MAINE C-Spine protocol. In the mail in the morning. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:31:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:31:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:30:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:28:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:28:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts16-5.goodnet.com [207.98.132.230]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA23261; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:29:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803222107.OAA11181@nucleus.com> References: Conversation <199803222107.OAA11181@nucleus.com> with last message <199803222107.OAA11181@nucleus.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" , "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! Date: Sun, 22 Mar 98 14:36:08 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 6700840229993c0c3b5f895e9966e015 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Great comments on blisters. The only thing I can add is from experience on wildland fires and working medical units, in addition to Mountain rescue work. Duct tape works when I make the piece long enough and tape the BOOT from the insulting area up to the top of the boot so it doesn't bunch up either. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:27:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:25:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:25:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts16-5.goodnet.com [207.98.132.230]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA22791 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:26:08 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803222106.OAA11113@nucleus.com> References: Conversation <199803222106.OAA11113@nucleus.com> with last message <199803222106.OAA11113@nucleus.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Sun, 22 Mar 98 14:32:37 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 3be93eef6bb62677ed4030f69db318cd X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Thank you for your candor. I'm pleased it was not a stokes which broke, which, by the way, are usually easy to acquire cheap or free via military surplus - and you just can't kill 'em. Of course, they are about 37 pounds. I'm interested in what you fund about the LifeSuit. Meanwhile, sounds like you improvised, adapted and overcame. Good work! "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Tim Kovacs. tkovacs@goodnet.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:57:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:56:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from nucleus.com (root@nucleus.com [199.45.65.129]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (pm1-cgy-81.nucleus.com [207.34.67.81]) by nucleus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8-NIS-11-28.97) with ESMTP id OAA11181 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:07:18 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803222107.OAA11181@nucleus.com> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:47:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 966f1688c314f095bc27ae7e15a08ff6 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 | From: Jaymullen | To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu | Lana-- | | Medical supply companies, like Moore, sell Benzoin in sall one time plastic | vials and swabs. But why not use something a bit less destructively sticky | than duct tape like white athletic tape? Thanks to EVERYBODY for your valuable input and oppinions! It has been very helpfull to me.. Jay: We currently stock out kits with white athletic tape ... but I'm looking for a better option for blister treatment in boots. Although it works (sortta), I don't find it to be the best option for the following reasons a) it's rough surface sometimes ADDS to the friction that caused the blister in the first place.. duct tape has a slippery surface, and mole skin is soft and fuzzy. b) If it gets damp before you use it.. it won't stick AT ALL. c) it tends to roll up/ball up inside your boot when you're hiking to a greater extent than duct tape d) when hiking with wet feet, in wet boots, multiple creek crossings etc.. it just dosn't withstand the water as good as Benzoin or duct tape. e) it's completely useless for blisters on a paddling hand because it soaks off so easily. ... but then.. once the callouses build up there it won't be a problem any more.. - these problems are reduced by sticking the white tape on to your feet with Benzoin.... On the other hand.. once you've stopped hiking and you're just treating your post hike wounds.. the white stuff is my stuff of choice. Thanks to you and to others who have told me about the individual vials/swabs of benzoin that are available.. I will try to find a Canadian distributor with those things and look into their suitablility for our circumstances. Thanks again Lana Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:58:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:57:47 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:57:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:56:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from nucleus.com (root@nucleus.com [199.45.65.129]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (pm1-cgy-81.nucleus.com [207.34.67.81]) by nucleus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8-NIS-11-28.97) with ESMTP id OAA11113 for ; Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:06:59 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803222106.OAA11113@nucleus.com> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:06:07 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 04f1d3ce6052bf713630ef0819680e43 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 | From: Tim Kovacs | To: WEMS News | | Lana. Please give me details about the litter you had that broke and how. | This is excellent information to share. | oooo.. I don't know if I can do that without first taking a stiff drink. What litter were we using? (Lana hides her face in embarrassment and quietly mumbles the truth) We were using one of those canvas/wood army surplus war-type pole litters. It was a lovely olive green. We had to carry a boy out of a hike with a suspected minor, closed tib Fx. The lad was a big boy of 13yrs, completly stable, in good humour, with a big bruise on his shin and he couldn't weight bear. He was in a spot where the nearest helicopter landing spot was 2 km up hill... or.. we could carry him out to the road 3.5 km down stream. The terrain was really rough and involved some good bushwacking or walking down the rocky creek bed. Anyways.. our choice was betwen a) piggy back... (very difficult with the terrain) b) carry him out on a spine board (rigid, uncomfortable and unless strapped down with full-spinal vigor... the person on would slide around and be generally unhappy)... or c) use the army-surplus litter... (fairly comfortable... can be carried by 4-8 people) ... We secured him on it with spine board straps. It broke about 1/2 way through our little walk out when a metal pin that held the bar that kept the poles of the litter apart broke. We jury-rigged it with 5mm nylon rope to finish our little evac, but since then have been convinced that the army-surplus m*a*s*h*-like litters were NOT the way to go. Budget or not. So now I'm researching... so far the Lifesuit sounds like the best thing to meet our needs. Easy to carry in .. can be carried by up to 6 people, comfortable looking, protects the carry-ee from the elements, lightweight. Unfortunatly there is no local distributor so I can't actually pick one up, put a person in side, and walk up and down stair cases to evaluate it.. I only have pictures from the internet. The Ferno plastic basket stretcher would also be nice.. but it has the disadvantage of being heavy and difficult to carry-in to the place you need it. the rigidity, stability, and protection it offers the Pt. may out-weigh this.. Later.. Lana Berrington, EMT-A Director of Health Services YMCA Camp Chief Hector Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Certainly there should be more training about latex allergies for EMTs but it is still not really taken seriously. I know a young man who just completed an EMT course and more emphasis was placed on penicillin allergies and bee allergies than latex. Until health care workers are able to recognize it among themselves, it is hard for them to recognize it in their patients. Another teaching aspect that should be emphasised is to look at medical alert bands so such an allergy. Here is some interesting information regarding medical alert bands MEDIC ALERT DATA (from the Medic Alert Foundation,2323 Colorado Ave.,Turlock, CA 95382) The following numbers of people called Medic Alert during the specified year, citing Latex Allergy and requesting I.D. tags: 1985- 20, 1986- 12, 1987- 25, 1988- 27, 1989- 39, 1990- 56 1991- 109 (there was a change in the Medic Alert computer system) 1992- 190,1993- 552 1994- 861 1995- 1,175 1996- 1,473 1997- 2,116 (through Dec. '97) With an update from Jan.'98, the total of Latex Allergy requests for the last 12+ years: 7,447 -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:54:54 -0500 (EST) From: root@post.mail.nl.demon.net Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:54:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:53:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from post.demon.nl (post.mail.nl.demon.net [194.159.73.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:53:48 -0500 (EST) To: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Failed mail Date: Sat, 21 Mar 98 14:51:12 MET Sender: root@post.mail.nl.demon.net Message-ID: <890488272.0017339.0@post.demon.nl> X-UIDL: 032cad7f432557bce1378579ca3fd56a X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 Whilst talking to 195.11.250.156: MAIL FROM: 250 OK RCPT TO: 250 Recipient OK. 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In-Reply-To: <3f970a15.35106af5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Hi, Karen: You have provided some very interesting figures - certainly food for thought. I am not surprised about the emphasis in EMT programs. As an RN with 30 years expereince, I have seen MANY more cases of medication (frequently penicillin) and allergies and bee stings than latex reactions. The fact that latex allergy seems to be a relatively recent phenomena may account for this. Please provide comparative figures from Medic Alert for the years 1985 to 1997 for penicillin/antibiotic and bee sting reactions, so that we may make a rational comparison. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator At 07:46 PM 18/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >Certainly there should be more training about latex allergies for EMTs but it >is still not really taken seriously. I know a young man who just completed an >EMT course and more emphasis was placed on penicillin allergies and bee >allergies than latex. Until health care workers are able to recognize it >among themselves, it is hard for them to recognize it in their patients. >Another teaching aspect that should be emphasised is to look at medical alert >bands so such an allergy. Here is some interesting information regarding >medical alert bands > >MEDIC ALERT DATA -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:18:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:18:00 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:17:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:16:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.34]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:12:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from Jaymullen@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5GLUa18531 for ; Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:12:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jaymullen Message-ID: <5063334c.3513f4e6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 12:12:04 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Mac sub 82 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b824fe096323da3dd3e6c59160aebdd7 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Lana-- Medical supply companies, like Moore, sell Benzoin in sall one time plastic vials and swabs. But why not use something a bit less destructively sticky than duct tape like white athletic tape? I'd be happy to help you come up with some lists for your kits. Jay Mullen MD Emergency Medicine University of Arizona Tucson, Arizone Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:57:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:57:25 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:57:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:54:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f60.hotmail.com [207.82.250.146]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:54:30 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28493 invoked by uid 0); 20 Mar 1998 04:53:59 -0000 Message-ID: <19980320045359.28492.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.163.92.238 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:53:57 PST X-Originating-IP: [208.163.92.238] From: "Chris Adams DO" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:53:57 PST Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d07c1c92b94c57f90edf3273f0408f42 X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 Lana, I have found that moleskin is one of the best choices for blisters as it provides a GREAT layer of protection, is easy to pack, and thirdly is not of great cost. As for the use of duct tape vs. tincture of benzoin...the better choice is of course to use the benzoin as it is less likely to damage the surrounding tissues. However, I must add, that I do have a lot of soldiers that I train in survival courses and medical management aspects of survival that like to use "100 mph" ( military version of duct tape) when they are going to have to wear the dressing for a long period of time, such as greater than 1 week; or if they are going to be in an area that their feet are going to be getting constantly wet. I hope that this helps. >From owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mon Mar 16 20:50:26 1998 >Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) > by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) > ID ; > Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:30 -0500 (EST) >Received: from nucleus.com (root@nucleus.com [199.45.65.129]) > by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) > ID for ; > Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:17 -0500 (EST) >Received: from default (usr2-cgy-83.nucleus.com [207.34.65.83]) > by nucleus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8-NIS-11-28.97) with ESMTP id PAA00699 > for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:24:20 -0700 (MST) >Message-Id: <199803162224.PAA00699@nucleus.com> >From: "Lana Berrington" >To: >Subject: W-EMED Opinions please! >Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:10:06 -0700 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > >Hi everybody, > > I'm the Director of Health Services for a YMCA summer camp. My team >and I will be stocking something like 60 first aid kits for staff to take >on outtrips, and 115 some odd small kits for staff to carry around all the >time.. I have some questions with regards to personal preference that I >would like to take a pole on. > > How many people use moleskin for blisters vs. some other more expensive >thing > > How many folks use duct-tape to hold their bandaids, steri-strips, and >moleskin on vs. Friar's Balsam (tincture of benzoin) > > - I'm currently fighting with the idea of stocking kits with friar's >balsam.. and debating the cost issue of getting the stuff.. and then >finding small non-breakable containers to put it in for kits. I know lots >of our staff are big believers in duct-tape to hold mole-skin on.. heck.. >even instead of moleskin in a boot. > >Thanks for your input! > > >Lana Berrington, EMT-A > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:18:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:18:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:17:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:16:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ns36-13.goodnet.com [207.204.253.110]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id AAA09443 for ; Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:18:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3f970a15.35106af5@aol.com> References: Conversation <3f970a15.35106af5@aol.com> with last message <3f970a15.35106af5@aol.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Wed, 18 Mar 98 23:24:59 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 9f5117af74681fac04209a9058051ff4 X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 Karen. Thanks for the valuable information. I still seek a decent lesson outline for this subject. Any resources? Tim Kovacs, NREMT-P EMS Coordinator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:29:40 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:29:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:26:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:26:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche.tcn.net (PPPS48.tcn.net [206.221.245.48]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id VAA17170 for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:44:41 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803190244.VAA17170@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 21:19:40 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. In-Reply-To: <3f970a15.35106af5@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 2e2ce352c4cd07ef72cb59fe40ed3a7c X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi, Karen: You have provided some very interesting figures - certainly food for thought. I am not surprised about the emphasis in EMT programs. As an RN with 30 years expereince, I have seen MANY more cases of medication (frequently penicillin) and allergies and bee stings than latex reactions. The fact that latex allergy seems to be a relatively recent phenomena may account for this. Please provide comparative figures from Medic Alert for the years 1985 to 1997 for penicillin/antibiotic and bee sting reactions, so that we may make a rational comparison. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator At 07:46 PM 18/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >Certainly there should be more training about latex allergies for EMTs but it >is still not really taken seriously. I know a young man who just completed an >EMT course and more emphasis was placed on penicillin allergies and bee >allergies than latex. Until health care workers are able to recognize it >among themselves, it is hard for them to recognize it in their patients. >Another teaching aspect that should be emphasised is to look at medical alert >bands so such an allergy. Here is some interesting information regarding >medical alert bands > >MEDIC ALERT DATA >(from the Medic Alert Foundation,2323 Colorado Ave.,Turlock, CA 95382) > >The following numbers of people called Medic Alert during the specified >year, citing Latex Allergy and requesting I.D. tags: > >1985- 20, 1986- 12, 1987- 25, 1988- 27, 1989- 39, 1990- 56 > >1991- 109 (there was a change in the Medic Alert computer system) > >1992- 190,1993- 552 > >1994- 861 > >1995- 1,175 > >1996- 1,473 > >1997- 2,116 (through Dec. '97) > >With an update from Jan.'98, the total of Latex Allergy requests for the >last 12+ years: 7,447 > >Please feel free to contact me if needed for additional information or >teaching guides for EMTs in regards to latex allergies. It is more than just a >problem with the gloves. > > >Karen Thurlow RNC, BSN >Latex Allergy Consultant >Mother of a latex allergic child (age 6) too young to die if medical personal >are unable to handle an allergic reaction. >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 32e8083555c793b88a978d03f09b7938 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Certainly there should be more training about latex allergies for EMTs but it is still not really taken seriously. I know a young man who just completed an EMT course and more emphasis was placed on penicillin allergies and bee allergies than latex. Until health care workers are able to recognize it among themselves, it is hard for them to recognize it in their patients. Another teaching aspect that should be emphasised is to look at medical alert bands so such an allergy. Here is some interesting information regarding medical alert bands MEDIC ALERT DATA (from the Medic Alert Foundation,2323 Colorado Ave.,Turlock, CA 95382) The following numbers of people called Medic Alert during the specified year, citing Latex Allergy and requesting I.D. tags: 1985- 20, 1986- 12, 1987- 25, 1988- 27, 1989- 39, 1990- 56 1991- 109 (there was a change in the Medic Alert computer system) 1992- 190,1993- 552 1994- 861 1995- 1,175 1996- 1,473 1997- 2,116 (through Dec. '97) With an update from Jan.'98, the total of Latex Allergy requests for the last 12+ years: 7,447 Please feel free to contact me if needed for additional information or teaching guides for EMTs in regards to latex allergies. It is more than just a problem with the gloves. Karen Thurlow RNC, BSN Latex Allergy Consultant Mother of a latex allergic child (age 6) too young to die if medical personal are unable to handle an allergic reaction. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:39:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:39:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:34:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from MikelMD@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5HDUa01923; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:33:47 -0500 (EST) From: MikelMD Message-ID: <30d8399b.350fdb4f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:33:47 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Cc: Latexfree@aol.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b1db7de0170d09edce5a3de452bdfdad X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 In a message dated 98-03-18 00:33:55 EST, you write: > Are EMS students currently being taught about latex allergy? Are they > taught how to avoid it in themselves, and how to respond to latex > allergic patients? Or are we producing future generations of latex > allergic health care workers? Hi -- Certainly not as much as they should be. Nearly 10% of health care workers are latex allergic (depends on the study). IN addition somewhere between 2 and 5% of the public are as well -- and the figure rises higher in peds, especially those with previous surgery (esp spina bifida). Inevitably, latex allergy will force us to change nearly all of our equipment both in and out of hospital. If you don't carry latex free stuff (not just gloves -- the whole shooting match), you should. Take care. Mikel :-) Mikel A. Rothenberg, M.D. Emergency Care Educator Medicolegal Consultant North Olmsted, Ohio USAd Professor of Emergency Medical Services American College of Prehospital Medicine mikelmd@aol.com The "CHAIN OF SURVIVAL" is UNBREAKABLE! Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:34:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:33:53 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:33:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:29:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox.com (ehdup-e2-16.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.21.46]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:29:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <350F69C9.55459769@pobox.com> Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:29:29 -0600 From: DP/EJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. References: <199803180455.XAA13712@titan.tcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b1418755d883f1e34da035b7a17e335d X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Are EMS students currently being taught about latex allergy? Are they taught how to avoid it in themselves, and how to respond to latex allergic patients? Or are we producing future generations of latex allergic health care workers? Dan Peden Pittsburgh, Pa. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:41:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:40:50 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:40:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:39:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:37:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche.tcn.net (PPPS50.tcn.net [206.221.245.50]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id XAA13712 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:55:56 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803180455.XAA13712@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:33:47 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. In-Reply-To: <6f928b57.350f01da@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d8ba0908f7e2785aa3d7a9f05aba8b34 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 06:06 PM 17/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >Has anyone out there had any experience with the Ferno litter, similar to the >Junkin? I am very interested in hearing opinions as to which is better, also >the effectiveness and ease of use of each of these in technical rope rescue >applications, as compared to the stokes. > >Thanks, >Mike Hi, MIke: Your question is rather confusing. I think of Ferno as a brand name, while I think of the Stokes as a DESIGN which is made by a variety of manufacturers. And I KNOW if I'm wrong on this, several of my colleagues on this list will straighten me out. As far as Ferno is concerned, I have had SUPERB service from them. Several years ago, a dealer donated to us part of a Ferno stokes-style litter...he had removed and sold the metal rail, to meet the needs of one of his customers. As it turned out, a trip took me within a few minutes of the Ferno factory, so I dropped in. They didn't have the frame I needed in stock. However, they said if I'd go into town and have a slow cup of coffee, they'd make one up for me right away! They asked me to drop back in an hour. Now in my books, you can't get service any better than that! I'm sure others will be sending opinions to your question; however, most of the common rescue and wilderness first aid texts have thorough discussions of the various types of litter. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche WEMSI Web Site Administrator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:00:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:00:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:58:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:56:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts14-1.goodnet.com [207.98.132.162]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA04344 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:58:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803180519.WAA07134@nucleus.com> References: Conversation <199803180519.WAA07134@nucleus.com> with last message <199803180519.WAA07134@nucleus.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 23:05:04 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: fb0659837063338b9d62bb358d22f2aa X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Lana. Please give me details about the litter you had that broke and how. This is excellent information to share. "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Tim Kovacs, NR-EMT-Paramedic/ Operations Leader. MCSO Mtn Rescue/ MRA. tkovacs@goodnet.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:55:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:53:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts14-1.goodnet.com [207.98.132.162]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03879 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:53:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6f928b57.350f01da@aol.com> References: Conversation <6f928b57.350f01da@aol.com> with last message <6f928b57.350f01da@aol.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 23:00:02 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 322e1f6f9237af895043aeacbdba86bd X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 If you mean the orange plastic ferno litter, it has had problems in technical applciations: not strong as a stokes basket. The two piece has been espcially troublesome with 2 separate breaks confirmed in our area. We specifically do NOT use it in technical rescue. For External Loads or Cable Hoists, we do not use it because of its wing effect and again, lack of proven integrity under High Angle rescue loads. It is GREAT for broken terrain, snow and trail litter evac ops. You just can't kill a good old stokes basket for rope work. "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Tim Kovacs, NREMT-P/ Ops Leader. MCSO Mtn Rescue/ MRA. tkovacs@goodnet.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:10:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:08:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from nucleus.com (root@nucleus.com [199.45.65.129]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:08:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (usr1-cgy-7.nucleus.com [207.34.65.7]) by nucleus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8-NIS-11-28.97) with ESMTP id WAA07134 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:19:38 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803180519.WAA07134@nucleus.com> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:59:24 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 15ca02a729b4b2d8b99f1c21c939faaa X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi Mike, | Has anyone out there had any experience with the Ferno litter, similar to the | Junkin? I am very interested in hearing opinions as to which is better, also | the effectiveness and ease of use of each of these in technical rope rescue | applications, as compared to the stokes. I havn't had any experience with the ferno or the junkin. But I am also interested in hearing what folks may have to say about them Last summer we broke the litter we were using and I'm reasearching new ones.. with cost being a primary concern. Has anybody ever used the Lifesuit disposable/flexable stretcher. I'm curious about it's appropriatness for back-country evacs Later Lana Berrington Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:59:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:57:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail2.desupernet.net (qmailr@mail.desupernet.net [204.249.184.82]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:55:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22840 invoked from network); 18 Mar 1998 01:55:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO home) (208.7.250.83) by 204.249.184.82 with SMTP; 18 Mar 1998 01:55:21 -0000 Message-ID: <350F2841.EDAED309@redrose.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:49:53 -0500 From: Chris Porter X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (WinNT; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: <6f928b57.350f01da@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 695d6b4b9a0687b3deba514930d0774f X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I have had a chance to use both types of baskets. In my opinion, the Junkin is easier to work with, but the Ferno is better for vertical/technical work. The Ferno does need some modification in order to be completly safe for vertical work. We modified the tie in rope that runs around the inside of the Ferno by placing figure 8 knots between all of the tie in points. This rope is down inside the basket does make it difficult to tread the webbing when strapping in a patient. The Ferno system allows for more tie in points for various size patients. The tie-in points on the Junkin make tying in larger patients easier. The down side is that the webbing is exposed to the outside of the basket and can be torn by the rock face. The Junkin does not offer a large variety of tie-in points for different size patients. Chris Porter MikeValora wrote: > Has anyone out there had any experience with the Ferno litter, similar > to the > Junkin? I am very interested in hearing opinions as to which is > better, also > the effectiveness and ease of use of each of these in technical rope > rescue > applications, as compared to the stokes. > > Thanks, > Mike > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe > wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:37:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:36:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:35:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:33:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:33:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from HRSTRT40@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5CQZa01924 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:32:42 -0500 (EST) From: HRSTRT40 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:32:42 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 120 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 5a9e6aa39bebdfed09e3b8902e7b2168 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I prefer the Ferno litter for cave rescue and the Junkin for vertical situations outside of a cave. (Our team has both.) The bottom rails on the Junkin seem to make it safer for high-angle environments but have the potential (at least theoretical) to snag when in a cave or confined area, although they are recessed to reduce this. The Ferno is safe for vertical use however, and is a very good choice for rescue work above and below ground and is used most by our team. Patrick Knowles, EMT-CT Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:27:40 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:27:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:06:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from MikeValora@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5BDDa04959 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:06:00 -0500 (EST) From: MikeValora Message-ID: <6f928b57.350f01da@aol.com> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:06:00 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED Info. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: fd5aba45073de08dd30ab4cd33707751 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Has anyone out there had any experience with the Ferno litter, similar to the Junkin? I am very interested in hearing opinions as to which is better, also the effectiveness and ease of use of each of these in technical rope rescue applications, as compared to the stokes. Thanks, Mike Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:24:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:24:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:24:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 04:21:59 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id DAA01119 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 03:21:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from phi-pa13-05.ix.netcom.com(207.220.158.69) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001112; Tue Mar 17 03:21:09 1998 Message-Id: <3.0.32.19980317161920.0068a5f0@aehn2.einstein.edu> X-Sender: burtonb@aehn2.einstein.edu X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:19:38 +0800 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Barry J. Burton, D.O." Subject: Re: W-EMED latex allergy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 4305f5d2c028120ab51925bed2921680 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >From: "Barry J. Burton" >Subject: Re: W-EMED latex allergy > >Hello all. > >Unofrtunately, not all training institutes are as sensative as they need to be to latex sensativity. In point of fact, many patients with spiuna bifida, for example, are also latez sensative, and more and more providers are developing problems. > >We REALLY need to review with students appropriate glove use and infection control, get the gloves off ansd wash hands before contamionating the environment,e tc. > >Unfortuantely, even as Chair of the MAC in PA, I could only recommend training in this area. Two lectuires a tthe Annual State conference last year was the payback! (gg) > > just my 0.02 worth > >Barry J. Nurton, D.O. >At 09:11 PM 3/16/98 -0600, you wrote: >>Are EMS students currently being taught about latex allergy? Are they >>taught how to avoid it in themselves, and respond to it in others? It >>has recently been suggested by some that the question "Are you allergic >>to latex?" be asked of patients: at least those ones in the high risk >>groups (health care workers, multiple surgeries, spina bifida). >>Thanks. >>Dan Peden >> >>Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >>To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >>as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >>Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >> >> Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:25:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:24:58 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:24:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:22:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:17:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:17:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ns42-14.goodnet.com [207.204.254.47]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA13706; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:18:57 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3.0.32.19980317161920.0068a5f0@aehn2.einstein.edu> References: Conversation <3.0.32.19980317161920.0068a5f0@aehn2.einstein.edu> with last message <3.0.32.19980317161920.0068a5f0@aehn2.einstein.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" , "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED latex allergy Date: Tue, 17 Mar 98 08:26:00 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 03046606cfef1b1047d2ce8060105693 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 It has started to catch on in the Phoenix Area - to ask clients if they have latex allergy and educating healthcare providers, but it is still fragmented and without a good outline and references. I have some personal motivation, as the godmother of my daughter, an ICU nurse, developed an acute reaction and anaphylaxis - for which she is now medically retired as a young woman. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:59:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:59:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:57:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:56:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mg2.rockymtn.net (mailserv.rockymtn.net [166.93.205.12]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from rainbow.rmi.net (rainbow [166.93.8.14]) by mg2.rockymtn.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA20885 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:56:01 -0700 (MST) Received: from 166.93.77.6 (166-93-77-6.rmi.net [166.93.77.6]) by rainbow.rmi.net (8.8.7/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA19950 for ; Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:55:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <350E16D3.1B64@rmi.net> Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 06:23:15 +0000 From: btilton@rmi.net X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Macintosh; I; PPC) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! References: <199803162224.PAA00699@nucleus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 723192b12f9756c666365948919e3b4a X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Lana Berrington . . . Why don't you contact Atwater Carey, Ltd. at 800-359-1646. They pack first aid kits for a living. They sell stuff cheaper than anybody else I've ever found. They utilize outdoor medicine experts to decide what to use and sell. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:13:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:13:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:11:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:11:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox.com (ehdup-c1-5.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.135]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:11:29 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <350DE9CD.5150647B@pobox.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 21:11:10 -0600 From: DP/EJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED latex allergy References: <37a88ffd.350d7edf@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 18d71ba0321df193fafe05bec12568e0 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Are EMS students currently being taught about latex allergy? Are they taught how to avoid it in themselves, and respond to it in others? It has recently been suggested by some that the question "Are you allergic to latex?" be asked of patients: at least those ones in the high risk groups (health care workers, multiple surgeries, spina bifida). Thanks. Dan Peden Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:21:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:20:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:20:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo27.mx.aol.com (imo27.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.71]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from MikeValora@aol.com by imo27.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5DXMa03893 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:19:21 -0500 (EST) From: MikeValora Message-ID: <1c5d71d.350db378@aol.com> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:19:21 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED EMTs for wildland fire Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a28e0a8e79ecac075533603d1c012953 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Contact Rocky Mountain Medics c/o Owen Couch PO Box 485 Gallup, NM 87305 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:13:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:12:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:11:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsmail.acsworld.net (host-178-003.acsworld.net [198.113.178.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:11:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from acsworld.net ([209.64.179.52]) by newsmail.acsworld.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0813 ID# 0-12677) with ESMTP id AAA181 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:14:59 -0500 Message-ID: <350DB0CA.56A2C018@acsworld.net> Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:07:54 -0500 From: jhill@acsworld.net (James Hill, Jr.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Opinions please! References: <199803162224.PAA00699@nucleus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b00d4fbf10e296cf550cf24b91c2bb98 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Lana Berrington wrote: > Hi everybody, > > I'm the Director of Health Services for a YMCA summer camp. My team > and I will be stocking something like 60 first aid kits for staff to take > on outtrips, and 115 some odd small kits for staff to carry around all the > time.. I have some questions with regards to personal preference that I > would like to take a pole on. > > How many people use moleskin for blisters vs. some other more expensive > thing Moleskin > > > How many folks use duct-tape to hold their bandaids, steri-strips, and > moleskin on vs. Friar's Balsam (tincture of benzoin) > Duct Tape > - I'm currently fighting with the idea of stocking kits with friar's > balsam.. and debating the cost issue of getting the stuff.. and then > finding small non-breakable containers to put it in for kits. I know lots > of our staff are big believers in duct-tape to hold mole-skin on.. heck.. > even instead of moleskin in a boot. > > Thanks for your input! > > Lana Berrington, EMT-A > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:17:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:16:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:14:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from nucleus.com (root@nucleus.com [199.45.65.129]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:13:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (usr2-cgy-83.nucleus.com [207.34.65.83]) by nucleus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8-NIS-11-28.97) with ESMTP id PAA00699 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:24:20 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803162224.PAA00699@nucleus.com> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: W-EMED Opinions please! Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 15:10:06 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: fe8b03b23adee4ebb3d7167cc3319114 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi everybody, I'm the Director of Health Services for a YMCA summer camp. My team and I will be stocking something like 60 first aid kits for staff to take on outtrips, and 115 some odd small kits for staff to carry around all the time.. I have some questions with regards to personal preference that I would like to take a pole on. How many people use moleskin for blisters vs. some other more expensive thing How many folks use duct-tape to hold their bandaids, steri-strips, and moleskin on vs. Friar's Balsam (tincture of benzoin) - I'm currently fighting with the idea of stocking kits with friar's balsam.. and debating the cost issue of getting the stuff.. and then finding small non-breakable containers to put it in for kits. I know lots of our staff are big believers in duct-tape to hold mole-skin on.. heck.. even instead of moleskin in a boot. Thanks for your input! Lana Berrington, EMT-A Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:23:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:22:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:21:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.gorge.net (serv.gorge.net [205.162.195.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:21:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from dell-300 ([208.14.145.188]) by mail.gorge.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-40184U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA154 for ; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:19:54 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:22:51 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD50E7.00D3F440.macht@gorge.net> From: Marlow Macht To: "'wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu'" Subject: W-EMED EMTs for wildland fire Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:31:43 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: f82b91b6725f0c4b5a52a4c4d709345c X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I recall a post to this list one year ago looking for EMTs available for wildland fire incidents during the summer. I'm writing on behalf of another EMT who is interested; if the person who posted the request, or anyone else has information, please reply to me: macht@gorge.net Thank you, Marlow Macht Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:49:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:49:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:49:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:48:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:47:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from JSilver374@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5RICa09327 for ; Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:46:41 -0500 (EST) From: JSilver374 Message-ID: <5b7c69bc.350b4110@aol.com> Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:46:41 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED Wanted: Wilderness First-Aid Instructors Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 15cbf71ac77c30f149edf09319b00a4c X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Wanted: Wilderness First-Aid Instructors We are looking for volunteers interested in becoming wilderness first-aid instructors for the NY-No. Jersey chapter of the Appalachian Mountain Club. Instructor candidates should have current certifications as EMT-B (or higher) or NSP/OEC Technician, and have a current CPR professional level certification. In addition individuals should have a solid outdoor background including some form of wilderness travel (hiking, backpacking, skiing, paddling, etc.). Individuals with patient contact experience and instructional experience are particularly encouraged to contact us. Instructor trainees selected for this program will receive free wilderness first-aid training plus instructor training, in exchange for the commitment to teach the course. Training will involve two weekend courses. The first will be the 2-day wilderness first aid course you will be trained to teach and the second will be an orientation course. Applicants must be AMC members or be willing to join prior to training. Be prepared to submit a 1 page EMS/Outdoor resume. If interested contact the project coordinator: Jonathan Silver at: JSilver374@aol.com. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:43:31 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:43:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:42:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:41:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from pobox.com (ehdup-e3-5.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.21.55]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID for ; Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:40:55 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <34F6EC74.5EB0D078@pobox.com> Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:40:20 -0600 From: DP/EJ X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI WEB SITE GOES BILINGULA...ALMOST References: <3.0.32.19980227035006.0075918c@titan.tcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b9f5d22099d23ce4f8c6dedef93ba229 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 The Altavista Translator does a fair job of translating simple text into understandable language, but when used more extensively than that only provides a good laugh. Try writing a letter using slang, colloquialisms or esoterica, translate it into a foreign language and back to English: what a hoot! It gets funnier the more times you translate the same text back and forth. It works acceptably to translate a foreign text into English, if all you want to do is understand the jist of the text. I wouldn't use it to translate English into a foreign text for publication, though, unless you are going for laughs. Dan Peden paramedic@pobox.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Hamish MacInnes Tim Kovacs. tkovacs@goodnet.com ---------- > Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 09:46:23 > From: Dick sale > To: MRA Lister > Subject: Jeff Thornton, Loss > > WHY DID HE DIE? > > Jeff Thornton suffered dehydration, broken bones, an eye injury and > frostbite in the course of his six-day ordeal in the San Gabriel > Mountains. Some may argue the fine points of his treatment in the week > of hospitalization which followed. But, in any case, nature seems > always to have had the upper hand. > > Thornton's weeklong exposure to extreme cold resulted in frostbite > on his legs, arms, hands and feet followed by the development of > gangrene. This death of body tissue invites the proliferation of > bacteria, and it was this bacterial infection that doctors fought to > overcome. > > After one day of hospitalization at Foothill Presbyterian in > Glendora, California, Thornton was moved to Loma Linda University > Medical Center in Loma Linda, California for treatment which included > the use of the hyperbaric chamber. > > Most of us recognize the hyperbaric chamber as the court of last > resort for deep sea divers with the bends. Used in combination with > antibiotics, however, time in a hyperbaric chamber can help destroy > bacteria with high doses of oxygen through the skin. > > Los Angeles Times medical writer Thomas H. Maugh II points out [LAT, > February 22, 1998] that "exposure to cold shrinks blood vessels [thus] > ... pinching off circulation and leaving the limbs without enough > bloodflow to fight infection in those areas." Hyperbaric oxygen > therapy, in this case, would have been used to reach the gangrenous > tissues which antibiotics could not kill. > > But for Thornton, it was too late. Antibiotics and hyperbaric > treatment failed to stop the progress of toxins through his body. > > On Thursday night, February 19, 1996, Jeff Thornton, experiencing > severe breathing difficulties, was transferred into Loma Linda's > pediatric intensive care unit. On Friday night at approximately > 10 p.m., Thornton went into cardiac arrest. Just minutes before, > physicians had hooked the youth up to a heart-lung machine which would > add oxygen to his blood. > > In order to do this, doctors inserted two thin tubes (cannulas) > through blood vessels to the heart. According to the San Bernardino > County coroner's office, one of these tubes punctured the pumping > chamber (right atrium) of the heart and caused Thornton's death. > > Dr. Andrew Hopper, a neonatologist who performs the oxygenation > procedure, estimates that the cannula probably tore through the heart > from the inside out during resuscitation procedures. According to > Hopper, the cannula could not have been quickly removed. "Our feeling," > said Hopper "is [that] what the coroner is finding is the result of > aggressive cardiac massage." > > Doctors reported that on Friday, Thornton's blood was not carrying > sufficient oxygen to nourish his brain and muscles, and his heart was > not pumping strongly. Hopper expressed the belief that, even without > the oxygenation procedure, Thornton "would have had cardiac arrest... > and the same outcome would have resulted." > > Times writer Maugh feels that LLUMC "is sure to face questions of > whether Thornton was treated early or aggressively enough for the > infection." Medical data, explains Maugh, "suggests that two-thirds > of such septic shock cases arise after hospitalization." Hospital > bacteria have potential entry to the body through IV's, catheters, and > drainage tubes. > > Upon hearing news of Jeff Thornton's death, the Sierra Madre > Search and Rescue Team issued a statement expressing its members' > sadness and extending sympathy to the boy's family and friends. "We > take some solace." the statement added, "that our efforts along with > the efforts of other mountain rescue teams and the Los Angeles County > Sheriff's Department enabled Jeff to have some time to spend with his > family before his passing." > > On the day before his death, two members of Thornton's favorite > hockey team, the Anaheim Mighty Ducks, paid a visit to the boy's > bedside. Earlier in the week, Jeff had been reported as asking for a > snowboarding magazine. > > The family's request for privacy was honored by Loma Linda and > respected by the press. Jeff's stepfather, Billy Mannes, was with > him when he died. > > > -- > Stay Safe > Dick Sale > > "Mountains and Wilderness don't care, you take care." > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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However, they do have a down side. It would appear that they have an definite shelf life. I have used some that when activated provide "tremendous heat" for an entire day; while others offer only a "smidgen" of heat for only a few hours. I was puzzled and became determined to figure out why. Tracking my heat packs, I determined that when I used "left over" heat packs that had been purchased in the previous deer seasons they definitely did not perform as well as newer ones. Additionally, some of the newer ones provide better heat, (similar models were compared) which led me to believe that I may have purchased last years left over stock. Possibly the manufacturer could shed some insight to this phenomena. Other than this observation, I've been very pleased with their performance. Jim Hill Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP wrote: > Just recently been playing around with hot packs, in particular, the > powdered-iron oxidation type. They have advantages over the > heat-of-crystallization reusable type, and the heat-of-dissolution > type: > > 1. They last a lot longer ("up to 15 hours" but it seems more like > about 4 hours of useful heat to my trials) > > 2. If they leak, it's not as messy (they use a powder rather than a > sticky liquid) > > 3. They are a lot lighter. > > 4. They can be "postponed" by sealing them back in a ziplock bag to > keep oxygen away from them > > However, there are some disadvantages, mostly that they really don't > put out that much heat compared to the other types. Nonetheless, > they put out heat for a much longer period, and thus may be more > suitable for long wilderness/cave rescue operations. > > I had tried the "HotHands" version by HeatMax, which I got for a > couple of dollars for a package of three at WalMart. They are about > 3"x5" and weigh 2 oz. each. They provide some significant heat for > about 4 hours, but I think it would take two of them together to > provide enough heat to be satisfactory for SAR use -- so you'd need > twelve of them for a patient, two in each of the standard six areas > (lateral neck both sides, axilla both sides, and groin both sides). > > So I thought I'd try the larger units that HeatMax offers -- called > Survival Heat. (BTW all these heat packs seem to be cheaper when > ordered in bulk from HeatMax than even from WalMart based on the cost > I'd seen previously posted on one of the lists for the big ones ($6 > each), I got 12 of the big ones for $45 + 4.06 shipping). > Suprisingly, the package for the larger packs seemed much less dense. > A different kind of pack maybe? I opened one up, and found that it > had a ripstop paper envelope inside. But unlike the paper envelopes > of the HotHands that were just full of powder, this envelope had > different things inside. > > I ripped it open, and found that inside are two 4"x6" 3 oz. > "HotHands" envelopes full of powder, stapled to a 7"x10" piece of > bubble wrap. Both the inner and outer envelopes have a notice "this > side next to body" to ensure the bubble-wrap insulation is away from > the body. > > The 4x6" 3 oz. envelopes seem to get a lot hotter than the 3"x5" 2 > oz. envelopes -- maybe this is a function of the amount of powder, or > the holes created by the staples allowing more oxygen into them, or > a different composition, or some combination -- not sure. > > For SAR use, there is no point in carrying bubble wrap -- you're > going to carry better insulation to put around the patient, and the > heat packs will be inside the insulation you provide, so the bubble > wrap is just wasted space in your pack. > > BTW, they have a model that is FDA-approved for medical patient use > -- and that costs more. I told them to bill them to me as a mountain > rescue team member rather than as a doctor and send me the > non-approved ones that were cheaper and they were happy to do this. > (What does the FDA know about SAR anyway?) > > I called Heatmax this morning, and they referred me to their chemist, > Uma. She explained that the different hot packs that they manufacture > have slightly different compositions, based on their expected uses. > For example, the tiny ones designed to put in your boots are designed > to work in a relatively anaerobic (oxygen-free) environment inside a > boot. If they are activated in "regular" air, they will get much > hotter and not last as long. The "HotHands" ones to stick in your > pocket are designed to last for quite a while in a "regular" oxygen > environment. But the ones in the big Survival Heat are designed > specifically to work while in the larger, somewhat air-permeable > envelope, and with the bubble side of the bubble-wrap against them to > provide uniform oxygen access to the mix. She said she'd send me > some more detailed information on the packs. > > I was thinking that the bigger Survival Heat models might be best for > SAR use, but the bubble wrap makes them pretty bulky, and they'd be > difficult to pack into someone's groin and axilla in a litter. So I > tried an experiment -- I opened a Survival Heat hotpack, and then > ripped open the inner envelope and left the two actual inner 3 oz. > packs out in "regular" oxygen to see what happened. They got much > hotter than the individual "HotHands" 2 oz. packs, enough to cause > a mild burn if held right against the skin (not that one would > want to do this with any heat pack) and the heat lasted for about 4 > hours, not the "up to 15" that is standard when used inside the outer > envelope. > > I suspect that in the relatively-anaerobic environment of a litter > and packaging they'd last about 6 hours and be just right for amount > of warmth provided during that time, but haven't tested this yet > (coming up soon). > > Is anyone aware of detailed studies of various hot packs for SAR use? > > BTW the company is: > Heatmax Inc. > POB 119 > Dalton, GA 30722 > 1-800-432-8629 > > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP > http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu --------------41BD6BE036FE8CECD97FBF30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Keith,

Been using these for many years while out deer hunting and they do work well. However, they do have a down side. It would appear that they have an definite shelf life.
I have used some that when activated provide "tremendous heat" for an entire day; while others offer only a "smidgen" of heat for only a few hours.

I was puzzled and became determined to figure out why. Tracking my heat packs,  I determined  that when I used "left over" heat packs  that had been purchased in the previous deer seasons they definitely did not perform as well as newer ones. Additionally, some of the newer ones provide better heat, (similar models were compared) which led me to believe that I may have purchased last years left over stock.

Possibly the manufacturer could shed some insight to this phenomena.

Other than this observation, I've been very pleased with their performance.

Jim Hill

Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP wrote:

Just recently been playing around with hot packs, in particular, the
powdered-iron oxidation type.  They have advantages over the
heat-of-crystallization reusable type, and the heat-of-dissolution
type:

1. They last a lot longer ("up to 15 hours" but it seems more like
about 4 hours of useful heat to my trials)

2. If they leak, it's not as messy (they use a powder rather than a
sticky liquid)

3. They are a lot lighter.

4. They can be "postponed" by sealing them back in a ziplock bag to
keep oxygen away from them

However, there are some disadvantages, mostly that they really don't
put out that much heat compared to the other types.  Nonetheless,
they put out heat for a much longer period, and thus may be more
suitable for long wilderness/cave rescue operations.

I had tried the "HotHands" version by HeatMax, which I got for a
couple of dollars for a package of three at WalMart.  They are about
3"x5" and weigh 2 oz. each. They provide some significant heat for
about 4 hours, but I think it would take two of them together to
provide enough heat to be satisfactory for SAR use -- so you'd need
twelve of them for a patient, two in each of the standard six areas
(lateral neck both sides, axilla both sides, and groin both sides).

So I thought I'd try the larger units that HeatMax offers -- called
Survival Heat.  (BTW all these heat packs seem to be cheaper when
ordered in bulk from HeatMax than even from WalMart based on the cost
I'd seen previously posted on one of the lists for the big ones ($6
each), I got 12 of the big ones for $45 + 4.06 shipping).
Suprisingly, the package for the larger packs seemed much less dense.
 A different kind of pack maybe?  I opened one up, and found that it
had a ripstop paper envelope inside.  But unlike the paper envelopes
of the HotHands that were just full of powder, this envelope had
different things inside.

I ripped it open, and found that inside are two 4"x6" 3 oz.
"HotHands" envelopes full of powder, stapled to a 7"x10" piece of
bubble wrap.  Both the inner and outer envelopes have a notice "this
side next to body" to ensure the bubble-wrap insulation is away from
the body.

The 4x6" 3 oz. envelopes seem to get a lot hotter than the 3"x5" 2
oz. envelopes -- maybe this is a function of the amount of powder, or
the holes created by the staples allowing more oxygen into them, or
a different composition, or some combination -- not sure.

For SAR use, there is no point in carrying bubble wrap -- you're
going to carry better insulation to put around the patient, and the
heat packs will be inside the insulation you provide, so the bubble
wrap is just wasted space in your pack.

BTW, they have a model that is FDA-approved for medical patient use
-- and that costs more.  I told them to bill them to me as a mountain
rescue team member rather than as a doctor and send me the
non-approved ones that were cheaper and they were happy to do this.
(What does the FDA know about SAR anyway?)

I called Heatmax this morning, and they referred me to their chemist,
Uma. She explained that the different hot packs that they manufacture
have slightly different compositions, based on their expected uses.
For example, the tiny ones designed to put in your boots are designed
to work in a relatively anaerobic (oxygen-free) environment inside a
boot.  If they are activated in "regular" air, they will get much
hotter and not last as long.  The "HotHands" ones to stick in your
pocket are designed to last for quite a while in a "regular" oxygen
environment.  But the ones in the big Survival Heat are designed
specifically to work while in the larger, somewhat air-permeable
envelope, and with the bubble side of the bubble-wrap against them to
provide uniform oxygen access to the mix.  She said she'd send me
some more detailed information on the packs.

I was thinking that the bigger Survival Heat models might be best for
SAR use, but the bubble wrap makes them pretty bulky, and they'd be
difficult to pack into someone's groin and axilla in a litter.  So I
tried an experiment -- I opened a Survival Heat hotpack, and then
ripped open the inner envelope and left the two actual inner 3 oz.
packs out in "regular" oxygen to see what happened.  They got much
hotter than the individual "HotHands" 2 oz. packs, enough to cause
a mild burn if held right against the skin (not that one would
want to do this with any heat pack) and the heat lasted for about 4
hours, not the "up to 15" that is standard when used inside the outer
envelope.

I suspect that in the relatively-anaerobic environment of a litter
and packaging they'd last about 6 hours and be just right for amount
of warmth provided during that time, but haven't tested this yet
(coming up soon).

Is anyone aware of detailed studies of various hot packs for SAR use?

BTW the company is:
Heatmax Inc.
POB 119
Dalton, GA 30722
1-800-432-8629

--Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP
  http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover
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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.9) ID ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:08:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:06:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:05:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:05:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-h-14.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.21.164]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.9) ID ; Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:05:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802171505.KAA20413@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:05:12 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED Hot Packs CC: sar-l@listserv.islandnet.com, NCRC@ontosystems.com (NCRC Discussion List) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a5210ae7a17b64000fb0cdd14a0ba39f Just recently been playing around with hot packs, in particular, the powdered-iron oxidation type. They have advantages over the heat-of-crystallization reusable type, and the heat-of-dissolution type: 1. They last a lot longer ("up to 15 hours" but it seems more like about 4 hours of useful heat to my trials) 2. If they leak, it's not as messy (they use a powder rather than a sticky liquid) 3. They are a lot lighter. 4. They can be "postponed" by sealing them back in a ziplock bag to keep oxygen away from them However, there are some disadvantages, mostly that they really don't put out that much heat compared to the other types. Nonetheless, they put out heat for a much longer period, and thus may be more suitable for long wilderness/cave rescue operations. I had tried the "HotHands" version by HeatMax, which I got for a couple of dollars for a package of three at WalMart. They are about 3"x5" and weigh 2 oz. each. They provide some significant heat for about 4 hours, but I think it would take two of them together to provide enough heat to be satisfactory for SAR use -- so you'd need twelve of them for a patient, two in each of the standard six areas (lateral neck both sides, axilla both sides, and groin both sides). So I thought I'd try the larger units that HeatMax offers -- called Survival Heat. (BTW all these heat packs seem to be cheaper when ordered in bulk from HeatMax than even from WalMart based on the cost I'd seen previously posted on one of the lists for the big ones ($6 each), I got 12 of the big ones for $45 + 4.06 shipping). Suprisingly, the package for the larger packs seemed much less dense. A different kind of pack maybe? I opened one up, and found that it had a ripstop paper envelope inside. But unlike the paper envelopes of the HotHands that were just full of powder, this envelope had different things inside. I ripped it open, and found that inside are two 4"x6" 3 oz. "HotHands" envelopes full of powder, stapled to a 7"x10" piece of bubble wrap. Both the inner and outer envelopes have a notice "this side next to body" to ensure the bubble-wrap insulation is away from the body. The 4x6" 3 oz. envelopes seem to get a lot hotter than the 3"x5" 2 oz. envelopes -- maybe this is a function of the amount of powder, or the holes created by the staples allowing more oxygen into them, or a different composition, or some combination -- not sure. For SAR use, there is no point in carrying bubble wrap -- you're going to carry better insulation to put around the patient, and the heat packs will be inside the insulation you provide, so the bubble wrap is just wasted space in your pack. BTW, they have a model that is FDA-approved for medical patient use -- and that costs more. I told them to bill them to me as a mountain rescue team member rather than as a doctor and send me the non-approved ones that were cheaper and they were happy to do this. (What does the FDA know about SAR anyway?) I called Heatmax this morning, and they referred me to their chemist, Uma. She explained that the different hot packs that they manufacture have slightly different compositions, based on their expected uses. For example, the tiny ones designed to put in your boots are designed to work in a relatively anaerobic (oxygen-free) environment inside a boot. If they are activated in "regular" air, they will get much hotter and not last as long. The "HotHands" ones to stick in your pocket are designed to last for quite a while in a "regular" oxygen environment. But the ones in the big Survival Heat are designed specifically to work while in the larger, somewhat air-permeable envelope, and with the bubble side of the bubble-wrap against them to provide uniform oxygen access to the mix. She said she'd send me some more detailed information on the packs. I was thinking that the bigger Survival Heat models might be best for SAR use, but the bubble wrap makes them pretty bulky, and they'd be difficult to pack into someone's groin and axilla in a litter. So I tried an experiment -- I opened a Survival Heat hotpack, and then ripped open the inner envelope and left the two actual inner 3 oz. packs out in "regular" oxygen to see what happened. They got much hotter than the individual "HotHands" 2 oz. packs, enough to cause a mild burn if held right against the skin (not that one would want to do this with any heat pack) and the heat lasted for about 4 hours, not the "up to 15" that is standard when used inside the outer envelope. I suspect that in the relatively-anaerobic environment of a litter and packaging they'd last about 6 hours and be just right for amount of warmth provided during that time, but haven't tested this yet (coming up soon). Is anyone aware of detailed studies of various hot packs for SAR use? BTW the company is: Heatmax Inc. POB 119 Dalton, GA 30722 1-800-432-8629 --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:11:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.9) ID ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:11:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:10:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:09:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-a3-1.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.51]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.9) ID for ; Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:09:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199802131309.IAA22765@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:09:25 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED Updated Web Pages X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: de880f301ddc701f0b7ca6b74ae3afcc X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 The WEMSI Web page (www.wemsi.org) has been updated with a variety of new information, including a case report on a recent rabies death, and pages with detailed weather information. My personal page, URL below, has some new information on computer basics and the ASRC Grid System. Thank you. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:58:00 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:56:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:50:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from isnet.is.bgsm.edu (root@isnet.is.wfubmc.edu [152.11.118.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:50:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from 206.27.1.1.ols.net (slip166-72-106-123.nc.us.ibm.net [166.72.106.123]) by isnet.is.bgsm.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id LAA19241 for ; Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:47:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980203114830.006c5868@bgsm.edu> X-Sender: ralson@bgsm.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Feb 1998 11:48:30 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Roy L. Alson, PhD, MD" Subject: W-EMED Wild Med Seminar Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 01db2beb4d5ec684c5741bfbff7a190d X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I thought this might be of interest to those members of the list living in the SE From: Seth Hawkins >Date: Mon, 02 Feb 1998 15:19:10 +0100 >Sender: hawkise@med.unc.edu >Subject: Wild Med Seminar > > >Mark your calendars: WILDERNESS MEDICINE WEEKEND SEMINAR at UNC, March 20-22 > >The First Annual Carolina Wilderness Medicine Seminar will be held March 20-22 >on the first floor of Berryhill Hall, UNC-CH School of Medicine. > >The weekend will begin with a reception on Friday evening, and include lectures >and hands-on practical skills breakout sessions on Saturday and Sunday. >Confirmed topics and presenters include: > >"Preventive Medicine for Large Groups", Major James R. Liffrig, MD, Air Force >Special Operations physician from Ft. Bragg, NC > >"Thor's Hammer: Lightning Injury", Lt. Col. Robert C. Allen, DO, Air Force >Flight Surgeon, Hurlburt Field, FL > >"Women in the Wilderness", Susan T. Snider, MD, former board member, Wilderness >Medical Society, Spruce Pine, NC > >"Ten Commandments for Tropical Travel", Rick Pyeritz, MD, Asheville, NC > >"Management of Poisonous Snake Envenomation", Richard Montgomery, MD, >Winston-Salem, NC > >"High Altitude Physiology", Wes Wallace, MD, Faculty Advisor, Carolina >Wilderness Medicine, Emergency Med. physician, UNC-CH > >"Temperature Related Emergencies (Hypo- and Hyperthermia)", Roy Alson, MD, Asst. >Medical Director, Special Operations Response Team (DMAT NC-1), Bowman Gray > >"Canine Search & Rescue Techniques", David Hancock, Chief, Durham SAR, Michael >Sullivan, Founder & Publisher "Working Dog News", former president, Canine SAR > >Additional possible sessions being confirmed include management of diving >injuries, wilderness survival techniques, and a wilderness-oriented CPR session. >The weekend will also include an Exhibition Hall featuring businesses and >organizations involved in wilderness medicine. > > >This event is $50 for physicians, $30 for others, and FREE for students at any >accredited high school or college/university. All Exhibition Hall presenters >enjoy free registration as well. > >For more information email . Brochures, including a >registration form, will be available and posted in the area shortly, or email > to receive a brochure. Pre-registration is requested. > >HELP IS NEEDED to finalize plans and provide support during the weekend. If you >are interested in assisting with the seminar, please attend our next meeting: > >Wednesday, February 4, 12:30 PM, 503 Berryhill Hall > >Carolina Wilderness Medicine leadership transition will also be discussed at >this meeting, so if you are interested in taking a leadership role with the >group during 98-99 academic year, please plan to come! > >We look forward to seeing you on March 20-22! > >Have fun & play safe, > >Jenny Graham >Seth Collings Hawkins >hawkise@med.unc.edu >Carolina Wilderness Medicine Coordinators > > > > > > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Roy L. Alson, PhD, MD, FACEP Assistant Professor of Emergency Medicine Wake Forest University School of Medicine Medical Director NC Baptist AirCare ralson@bgsm.edu 336-716-2193 Fax: 336-716-5438 ..All opinions expressed here are my own.. "Opinions are like rectal sphincters... Everyone has at least one!"... Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:31:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.7) ID ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:31:25 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:31:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:30:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:28:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from harborside.com (exim@harborside.com [204.214.110.225]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 18:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from connection [204.214.112.88] by harborside.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xz8gF-0005sm-00; Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:20:04 -0800 From: "Liz Marr" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:17:34 -08:0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Portland Conference In-reply-to: Message-Id: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 0fcf0290147107dce9f065edf17b6294 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 It was a great conference! I wasn't sure if it was going to be a waste of money to go see speakers that were given anywhere from 15 minutes to 45 minutes to speak, but they presented the information well and kept it moving. The fee also included continental breakfast, drinks of the non-ETOH type, and lunch (very good cheesecake) The speakers were: Cam Bangs, Howard Donner, Brownie Schoene, Al Siebert, Murray Hamlet, and Brian Wheeler. A lot of the information was high altitude cold survival, but the principles would hold true with many cold situations. I enjoyed it and would go again. Liz Marr -- mailto:lizm@harborside.com KA7MYM http://cc-ent.com ICQ 4014832 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:20:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.7) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:20:07 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:19:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 18:19:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ppp85.ecentral.com [206.64.70.85]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id RAA28898 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:14:07 -0700 Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 17:14:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199802010014.RAA28898@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@ecentral.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: W-EMED WMS conf. faculty Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 502c29956f43f6c94def8ff39cb9718f X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 I just received the announcement of the WMS Annual Scientific Assembly, in July in N.Y. Can anyone tell me how one becomes a part of the faculty for such WMS events? I've asked other WMS members (incl. faculty) here in Colorado, but have never been "let in on the secret." ;-> ______________________________________ H o w a r d M. P a u l EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board ASTM Committee F32 on SAR ************************************************ Home of the NFL Champion Denver Broncos *********************************************** "If you don't care where you are, you can't be lost." -- anon. ----------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.7) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:50:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:46:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:46:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ns28-14.goodnet.com [207.98.134.111]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22223 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:47:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <10383069@dasher.Dartmouth.EDU> References: Conversation <10383069@dasher.Dartmouth.EDU> with last message <10383069@dasher.Dartmouth.EDU> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Vacuum Splints Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 10:38:47 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 7270a9015d76c850b62418c53f4731d7 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I may all ready have responded to you, but We at the MRA did field testing of the current vacuum mattresses and found the MDI to be overall quite superior in all categories, including ruggedness, lightweight and compact, utility, resistance to puncture. My apologies if this reaches you late. Tim Kovacs, Ops Leader/Paramedic/W Vice President, MRA Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.7) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:46:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 16:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ns28-14.goodnet.com [207.98.134.111]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA22187 for ; Sat, 31 Jan 1998 14:46:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199708300456.XAA10838@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> References: Conversation <199708300456.XAA10838@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> with last message <199708300456.XAA10838@dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Mountaineering Oriented First Aid Date: Sat, 31 Jan 98 10:31:57 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 92e378932216920e518b05b7f4753d64 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Fascinating, I just noticed where you are from, and would like to keep in touch with you. I am Tim Kovacs of Maricopa County Sheriff's Mountain Rescue/ CAMRA, a WEMT-Paramedic, and currently sit on the WEMS Task Group for the Az Dept. of health Services to develop a WEMS curriculum/program for AZ to recognize. PS: I am an ARC instructor. Any input? I work a lot with Richard Kunz from Southern Arizona Rscue Assn, who happens to serve on AZ DHS' Governor's EMS Council. Cheers! Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:52:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:52:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:52:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:48:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from harborside.com (exim@harborside.com [204.214.110.225]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 12:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from connection [204.214.112.169] by harborside.com with smtp (Exim 1.62 #3) id 0xwW3M-0004cF-00; Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:41:05 -0800 From: "Liz Marr" To: "WEMS News" Date: Sun, 25 Jan 1998 09:38:48 -08:0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED Portland Conference Message-Id: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b420844b0bb0762bd30d2cf70e59d71c X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Is anyone from this list going to be at the one-day conference in Portland, Oregon next Saturday (Jan 31)? It sounds like it will a busy one, not sure how much time for visiting there will be, but thought I'd ask. Has any BEEN to this conference before? It is the sixth annual and I'd like to know what to expect. Liz Marr -- mailto:lizm@harborside.com KA7MYM http://cc-ent.com ICQ 4014832 =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:04:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:04:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 12:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:58:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 11:58:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ns27-13.goodnet.com [207.98.134.78]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id JAA21505 for ; Tue, 20 Jan 1998 09:59:03 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: Conversation <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> with last message <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED (Fwd) Re: med kit Date: Tue, 20 Jan 98 09:12:35 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 73973c50776e31bdedeaa3e470cabe78 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Congratuations, Keith, on your invitation to 1998 Annapurna. I hope you and yours are healthy and well. Tim Kovacs, Mountain Rescue Assn. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:11:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:02:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:00:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:58:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:58:18 -0500 (EST) From: ERSwanson1 Message-ID: <784a08ca.34c2a525@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:58:09 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: Re: W-EMED (Fwd) Re: med kit Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ca1ec5b43ae392b488518b6822c19cbe X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 In a message dated 1/18/98 11:40:12 AM, you wrote: <> Yes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:02:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 20:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:58:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jaymullen Message-ID: <73045cd6.34c2a53f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 19:58:37 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: Re: W-EMED (Fwd) Re: med kit Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 97e30ff66428ff95d5c44b1fe45a0141 X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 Paul-- Yea, sadly the Boukreev that rescued so many in that storm has been missing, and obviously dead, sice he was swept away in an avalanche on Annapurna on Christmas day. He just recently published a book, The Climb, that gives a very different account of that tragic trip. --Jay Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:38:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:37:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:36:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:35:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 13:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ppp84.ecentral.com [206.64.70.84]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id MAA00833 for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:31:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 12:31:16 -0700 Message-Id: <199801181931.MAA00833@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@ecentral.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED (Fwd) Re: med kit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 9bdc6b267a3dd92614c386cdea63272b X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Is this Anatoli that rescued several climbers on Everest during the fateful storm that Jon Krakauer wrote about in "Into Thin Air"? At 11:43 AM 1/18/98 +0000, you wrote: I have been asked to be the >> team doc for the 1998 South Face of Annapurna expedition. This is >> the same route that Anatoli Boukreev just died on. ______________________________________ H o w a r d M. P a u l EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board "If you don't care where you are, you can't be lost." -- anon. ----------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:50:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:49:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:48:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:47:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-m-8.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.22.18]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.2.2) ID ; Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:43:12 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: ERSwanson1 Date: Sun, 18 Jan 1998 11:43:11 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED (Fwd) Re: med kit CC: Michael Bauman , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu In-reply-to: <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 97bb6f1cf663784ea81ad18a6efab87d On 17 Jan 98 at 22:50, ERSwanson1 wrote: > Keith and Mike, > > Nifedipine is still the standard for HAPE. Maybe we should study > NTG for HAPE because I bet it will have a similar effect on the > pulmonary artery HTN. But it probably has too short a half life to > be of any use. So for high altitude stuff I am still taking > Nifedipine. Speaking of High altitude, I have been asked to be the > team doc for the 1998 South Face of Annapurna expedition. This is > the same route that Anatoli Boukreev just died on. I'll have to see > if I can swing the 2 month time commitment. > > Swany Good point. So it sounds like the NTG spray should be in the base kit for coronary problems or accelerated HTN or flash pulmonary edema with HTN (those are the main reasons I can think of that I'd want NTG), and the nifedipine/Diamox for any altitude work. Prednisone's already in there and will substitute for Decadron for HACE if needed. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.1.2) ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:54:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.1.5) ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:54:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:53:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.1.2) ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:53:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from isnet.is.bgsm.edu (root@isnet.is.wfubmc.edu [152.11.118.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.1.2) ID for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:53:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from 206.27.1.1.ols.net (slip166-72-106-145.nc.us.ibm.net [166.72.106.145]) by isnet.is.bgsm.edu (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id VAA19102 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:50:08 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <3.0.2.32.19980116215114.006c5554@bgsm.edu> X-Sender: ralson@bgsm.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.2 (32) Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 21:51:14 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Roy L. Alson, PhD, MD" Subject: Re: W-EMED (Fwd) Re: med kit In-Reply-To: <199801162001.PAA04084@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 9842dee377d84e3a6094b240f9757558 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 14:56 1/16/98 +0000, you wrote: >Forwarded message: >From: Self >To: baumann+@pitt.edu >Subject: Re: med kit >Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu >Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:48:14 > >On 14 Jan 98 at 22:27, baumann+@pitt.edu wrote: > >> Keith- >> I was browsing the medical kit list this eve and wondered if >> you felt ntg spray would have a place. I think it would >> be relatively stable over a long period (i have nothing to support >> this) I believe the benefit over the only alternative (SL >> nifedipine) would outweigh the weight/size addition. -Mike >> >> >> >> Michael Baumann, MD > > Michael, I have been having some of the same thoughts. The >advantage of NTG over nifedipine has been pointed up in the recent >literature -- if the patient drops his pressure or develops sx of a >TIA or CVA, the NTG is gone quickly, whereas there's no way to "turn >off" the nifedipine. I haven't found anything on the stability of >the spray but like you suspect it will last longer than the pills. > >Would you mind my forwarding this message to the >wilderness-emergency-medicine list to see what others think? > >Thanks. > > >Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP (NSS 12893, WD4PSY) >http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover >- Information Systems Coordinator, Dept. of EM, Mercy Hospital >- Clinical Assistant Professor, Dept. of Emergency Medicine, > Univ. of Pittsburgh (EM Residency and Center for Emergency Medicine) >- Medical Director, Wilderness EMS Institute > (http://www.wemsi.org; for a WEMSI-sponsored list, send "subscribe > wilderness-emergency-medicine" to Majordomo@list.pitt.edu) >- Eastern Region, Natl. Cave Rescue Comm./Appalachian SAR Conf. >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Our experience in our EMS units is that once a bottle of NTG tablets is open, the shelf life is very short, whereas the NTG spray, being sealed, has little evaporation and remains usable till the bottle is empty or it expires. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Roy L. Alson, PhD, MD, FACEP Assistant Professor of Emergency Medicine Bowman Gray School of Medicine Medical Director NC Baptist AirCare ralson@bgsm.edu 910-716-2193 Fax: 910-716-5438 ..All opinions expressed here are my own.. "Opinions are like rectal sphincters... Everyone has at least one!"... Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.1.2) ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:11:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.1.5) ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:11:19 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:11:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:09:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.1.2) ID ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:07:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.1.2) ID for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:07:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-q-5.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.22.95]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.1.1.5) ID for ; Fri, 16 Jan 1998 15:01:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199801162001.PAA04084@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 14:56:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED (Fwd) Re: med kit X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ac6c5cea2eb1c5b86de58eff059706e2 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Forwarded message: From: Self To: baumann+@pitt.edu Subject: Re: med kit Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:48:14 On 14 Jan 98 at 22:27, baumann+@pitt.edu wrote: > Keith- > I was browsing the medical kit list this eve and wondered if > you felt ntg spray would have a place. I think it would > be relatively stable over a long period (i have nothing to support > this) I believe the benefit over the only alternative (SL > nifedipine) would outweigh the weight/size addition. -Mike > > > > Michael Baumann, MD Michael, I have been having some of the same thoughts. The advantage of NTG over nifedipine has been pointed up in the recent literature -- if the patient drops his pressure or develops sx of a TIA or CVA, the NTG is gone quickly, whereas there's no way to "turn off" the nifedipine. I haven't found anything on the stability of the spray but like you suspect it will last longer than the pills. Would you mind my forwarding this message to the wilderness-emergency-medicine list to see what others think? Thanks. Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP (NSS 12893, WD4PSY) http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover - Information Systems Coordinator, Dept. of EM, Mercy Hospital - Clinical Assistant Professor, Dept. of Emergency Medicine, Univ. of Pittsburgh (EM Residency and Center for Emergency Medicine) - Medical Director, Wilderness EMS Institute (http://www.wemsi.org; for a WEMSI-sponsored list, send "subscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" to Majordomo@list.pitt.edu) - Eastern Region, Natl. Cave Rescue Comm./Appalachian SAR Conf. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: From: Self To: baumann+@pitt.edu Subject: Re: med kit Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Fri, 16 Jan 1998 08:48:14 On 14 Jan 98 at 22:27, baumann+@pitt.edu wrote: > Keith- > I was browsing the medical kit list this eve and wondered if > you felt ntg spray would have a place. I think it would > be relatively stable over a long period (i have nothing to support > this) I believe the benefit over the only alternative (SL > nifedipine) would outweigh the weight/size addition. -Mike > > > > Michael Baumann, MD Michael, I have been having some of the same thoughts. The advantage of NTG over nifedipine has been pointed up in the recent literature -- if the patient drops his pressure or develops sx of a TIA or CVA, the NTG is gone quickly, whereas there's no way to "turn off" the nifedipine. I haven't found anything on the stability of the spray but like you suspect it will last longer than the pills. Would you mind my forwarding this message to the wilderness-emergency-medicine list to see what others think? Thanks. -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.7/cispop-7.0.1.3) ID ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:48:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cispo-7.0.1.2) ID ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:48:37 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:48:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:46:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:44:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.gorge.net (serv.gorge.net [205.162.195.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 18:44:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from gateway2000 ([208.14.145.194]) by mail.gorge.net (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-40184U5000L500S0) with SMTP id AAA171 for ; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:44:46 -0800 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:44:57 -0800 Message-ID: <01BD203A.33099560.macht@gorge.net> From: Marlow Macht To: "'wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu'" Subject: RE: W-EMED Wilderness EMS course Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 15:43:10 -0800 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d38e6965188728170f9c263d06efa38a X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Check out these sites for wilderness medical training: Wilderness Medical Associates: http://www.wildmed.com/ Wilderness Medical Institute: http://www.fcinet.com/wmi/ SOLO: http://www.stonehearth.com/ I would be interested in such a course. I'm an EMT, in Hood River. Good luck, Marlow Macht On Monday, January 12, 1998 9:03 PM, Don Marr [SMTP:donmarr@harborside.com] wrote: > I have seen reference to a wilderness EMS course. I would like to > get information on this program. Any help would be appreciated. I > am looking to put this program on in the Oregon area. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Grandey" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Wilderness EMS course Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 10:14:36 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd2035$f5cab520$9e3e9380@pmp4em34.mckee.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu id KAA07927 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: bf5087700cf00ca426b68a40d4a69b17 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Don & cc:s The Wilderness EMS Institute offers a Wilderness EMT Curriculum that is currently available at several locations in PA, ME, VA, & WV....Oh yea, & the Republic of Ireland. We make the curriculum and the support resources available (as available) to allow sponsoring organizations to "put on" their own WEMT courses, according to our work. An accompanying text is in development. The course guide, lesson plans and other material, including an instructor course has been released. Complete information is available from our web site (URL in .sig). If you or others are interested in becoming a program sponsor, please feel free to contact me directly. JTG Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P Director, Division of Applied Informatics Operations Director Department of Emergency Medicine Wilderness EMS Institute UPMC Health System http://www.wemsi.org/ http://www.upmc.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: Don Marr To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tuesday, January 13, 1998 00:29 Subject: W-EMED Wilderness EMS course I have seen reference to a wilderness EMS course. I would like to get information on this program. Any help would be appreciated. I am looking to put this program on in the Oregon area. Donald Marr EMT-P Training Officer Bay Cities Ambulance KC7FZI donmarr@harborside.com ******************************************* My oppinions are mine and not those of the agencies or people who hired me, thinking I might change to fit their mold. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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I would like to get information on this program. Any help would be appreciated. I am looking to put this program on in the Oregon area. Donald Marr EMT-P Training Officer Bay Cities Ambulance KC7FZI donmarr@harborside.com ******************************************* My oppinions are mine and not those of the agencies or people who hired me, thinking I might change to fit their mold. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.7/cispop-7.0.1.3) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:26:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cispo-7.0.1.2) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:26:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:24:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:22:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.177]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:22:02 -0500 (EST) From: JSilver374 Message-ID: <611112bb.34babfe5@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 20:14:12 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Cc: Bighoss19@aol.com Subject: Re: W-EMED NSC/WMS Wilderness First Aid course Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 040d83626107c067a325a988f043dd5c X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 In a message dated 98-01-12 13:55:36 EST, you write: > I am a Solo WEMT (MASS Cert) any chance of becoming a instructor in this new > program? The NJ Safety Council offered to 'grandfather' me into their program as an instructor. You'll have to check with your local NSC affiliate to find out what their requirments are. Jonathan Silver, WEMT Highland Park, NJ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.7/cispop-7.0.1.3) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cispo-7.0.1.2) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:49:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:45:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.172]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:44:56 -0500 (EST) From: Big hoss19 Message-ID: <3218120.34ba6340@aol.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 13:38:55 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED NSC/WMS Wilderness First Aid course Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ea8ada39d189b7b2818528e43821b6f5 X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 I am a Solo WEMT (MASS Cert) any chance of becoming a instructor in this new program? Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.7/cispop-7.0.1.3) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 07:00:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cispo-7.0.1.2) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:59:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:58:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:55:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from quint.somtel.com (Quint.somtel.com [206.139.114.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:54:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from somtel.com.somtel.com (dialup-k-19.somtel.com [206.139.115.85]) by quint.somtel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id GAA10735 for ; Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19980112114933.0066fcb0@somtel.com> X-Sender: jbender@somtel.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 12 Jan 1998 06:49:33 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: James Bender Subject: Re: W-EMED NSC/WMS Wilderness First Aid course Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 84154d0336948ab5096fd836cb2f6a34 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi my service is a NSC training site. We are looking inot also. We teach a lot of Maine Guides and camps. This might be a limited target audience. James At 18:52 1/11/98 EST, you wrote: >Hi all, > >I've been in touch with the my local National Safety Council affiliate (NJ >Safety Council) and I got some interesting info in the new NSC/WMS Wilderness >First Aid course. > >I was told that the couse is designed to be 30 hours in length, including a >CPR module. Judging from the text, it's a pretty comprehensive course. But 30 >hours (basicly 2 full weekends) seems excessive for the recreational traveler >(ie. probably won't want to commit the time) and not long enough for the >professional/paid guide/leader who may have to take a wilderness first >responder couse. > >So my question is: Who is the target audience for this couse? Is there anyone >out there who plans to use this course and in what context? > >Thanks, >Jonathan Silver, WEMT >Highland Park, NJ >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.7/cispop-7.0.1.3) ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:56:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cispo-7.0.1.2) ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:55:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:53:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.19.167]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:53:48 -0500 (EST) From: JSilver374 Message-ID: <71f388a6.34b95b50@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 18:52:47 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED NSC/WMS Wilderness First Aid course Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com) X-Mailer: Inet_Mail_Out (IMOv11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: bfea51e3138c794294607b4f939b6200 X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 Hi all, I've been in touch with the my local National Safety Council affiliate (NJ Safety Council) and I got some interesting info in the new NSC/WMS Wilderness First Aid course. I was told that the couse is designed to be 30 hours in length, including a CPR module. Judging from the text, it's a pretty comprehensive course. But 30 hours (basicly 2 full weekends) seems excessive for the recreational traveler (ie. probably won't want to commit the time) and not long enough for the professional/paid guide/leader who may have to take a wilderness first responder couse. So my question is: Who is the target audience for this couse? Is there anyone out there who plans to use this course and in what context? Thanks, Jonathan Silver, WEMT Highland Park, NJ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.7/cispop-7.0.1.3) ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cispo-7.0.1.2) ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:58:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:55:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from acs5.bu.edu (jeanmono@ACS5.BU.EDU [128.197.154.50]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.7/8.8.7/cisls-7.0.1.6) ID for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (jeanmono@localhost) by acs5.bu.edu (8.8.5/) with SMTP id MAA87785 for ; Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:53:31 -0500 Date: Sun, 11 Jan 1998 12:53:30 -0500 (EST) From: Donald Jeanmonod To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED 4th year wilderness medicine electives Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: f83f1fafddae35f2e46a7b4fe8c41c5f X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I am a third year medical student at Boston University School of Medicine who is interested in emergency medicine and wilderness medicine. I was wondering if anyone knew about fourth year electives in wilderness medicine or could point me towards a list of schools that have educational opportunities in wilderness medicine. Thank You, Donald Jeanmonod Box 65 Boston University School of Medicine Boston, MA 02118 jeanmono@bu.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End --