Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:56:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:56:07 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from naps.uwindsor.ca (dns.uwindsor.ca [137.207.232.1]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:37 -0500 (EST) Received: id AAA22118; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:34 -0500 Received: by gateway id AAA22970 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:53:45 -0500 X-Sender: pirie1@server.uwindsor.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> References: <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:51:07 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Steven D. Pirie" Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 984aec8d1f9cdb4760a52e563ad08e31 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Bernie (and others) >It's nice to see a "fellow nurse" on the mailing list. And thanks for >the input. Nah... nurses in the wilderness, it cannot be true. :-) > I have two major questions. > >1. Which nursing procedures should be included? If we are going to look at procedures then I think we should look at some of the skills preformed under standards that flight nurses do. I cannot think of a more comparable level of isolation. If we want to look at nursing concepts that might have wilderness implications some ideas might be: Health an illness balance in the wilderness Transcultural nursing (especially important if doing SAR in foreign areas) The nursing model (assessment, planning, implementation, and evaluation... I left off nursing diagnosis for a reason) of not only patients but the SAR operations as a whole. Ethics in wilderness medicine SAR team and patient communications (not the radio type :-) ) The teaching - learning process (SAR team and patient) Leadership and management Infection control Basic patient monitoring (vitals etc) Advanced physical and health assessment Administration of medications Documentation of procedures performed Loss, death and the grieving process when the worst occurs. The basic human needs Stress management and adaptation Spiritual health (if you are into this) Camp hygiene Nutrition (are there any R.D.'s around) Promotion and maintenance of sleep Pain control Fluid electrolyte and acid - base balances (nurse's seem to grasp this well) Urinary and bowel elimination in the wilderness Prevention (e.g. SAFETY) Mobility and immobility Substance abuse issues for team members Wound care and management Humm... these are just a few ideas, and not sure that these are even close to what your thinking. Now don't get me wrong I don't want us to being care plans in the field or anything, these are just some ideas. >2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >they are copyrighted. I am not sure how to get around this (because I am not a lawyer nor, want anything to do with law... see EMED-L for details ) There is one book that I can think of off the top of my head that has attempted to address the unique nursing position. It is called, "Prehospital Nursing" and is put out in hardcover from Mosby. It is really a landmark text (I think) and should be looked at. I am sure that if text is not copied word for work that the material must be public domain, because it is common knowledge... but then again I am not a lawyer. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:26:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.11) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:28:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:27:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (samsui@ppp-045.m2-15.tor.ican.net [142.154.19.45]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id WAA09963 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:47:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803310347.WAA09963@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:26:58 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED oops was good ??? In-Reply-To: <35205F9A.2B88@cnnet.com> References: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> <199803301225.HAA16125@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 2bd82baa14b8bdd9f9d501197c870d29 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 08:14 PM 30/03/98 -0700, you wrote: >Bernie :) [snip] >I just have to ask a potentially stupid question ... are there no >present books (anywhere) available that would cover the info needed ?? >Do you HAVE TO create your own ??? I don't have a clue, but I thought >I'd put it out to the masses :) Hi, Julie: Well, we have a very good lesson plan manual, and the next stage will be our textbook, which Keith hopes to work on soon. So I'm just looking at filling in gaps before we get so far along that we're locked in. I understand what you're saying, we don't need to reinvent the wheel. But we would like our material to be as comprehensive as possible. >Julie :) (BA, RN) (yes, I know... I'm a BARN :) >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Burton, D.O." Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: df6620ab80e2c0616b4616eab6ab5693 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >From: "Barry J. Burton" >Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help > >Hi Bernie,. Stephen, group. > >Well, I thought I'd enter the conversation at this point. Please excuse the deletia.... > > >At 07:06 AM 3/30/98 -0500, you wrote: >>At 12:51 AM 31/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >> > >much excised >> > >>If we want to look at nursing > >please reword as "health" > >>>concepts that might have wilderness >>>implications some ideas might be: >> >>>Health an illness balance in the wilderness > >Agreed > >>>Transcultural nursing (especially important if doing SAR in foreign areas) > >OK, I suppose > >>>The nursing model (assessment, planning, implementation, and evaluation... >> > >Er, this is not limited to nursing. Its method, really scientific method, for generic problem solving.... > >>>I left off nursing diagnosis for a reason) of not only patients but the >>> SAR operations as a whole. > >Er, you mean like the PUBLIC Health and PREVENTIVE health of the SAR team members?! Excellent! > > >>>Ethics in wilderness medicine > >If you wish. What do you mean here? Is there that much "unethical" conduct in Wilderness Medicine to define content? > >>>SAR team and patient communications (not the radio type :-) ) > >Uh, interpersonl communications 101? Forthrightness? > >>>The teaching - learning process (SAR team and patient) > >Basics. OK, I'll buy > >>>Leadership and management >> > >True. Both are somewhat different. How does this differ from the essentials of Field Team Leader core? > >>>Infection control > >Absolutely. AND GROUP sanitation, health Public Health. 'population' based preventive health care (yes the military has a LOT on this) > >>>Basic patient monitoring (vitals etc) > >Monitoring, meaning again and again and again? How about "seasoned observation" or "patient clue awareness"? Recognizing that that cough of J's means she's close to in trouble? > >>>Advanced physical and health assessment > >How advanced? why? what parameters? For who? > >I'd add medical/health screening procedures, like red flagging the weakenned cave medic who is dehydrated from going underground. Might as well add "rehab" monitoring and surveillance > >>>Administration of medications > >OK > >>>Documentation of procedures performed > >OK, if you keep to the essentials > >>>Loss, death and the grieving process when the worst occurs. > >I thought Jack does this > >>>The basic human needs > >I thought this was founded in the program, but reinforcement wouldn't be a bad idea. Focus the "medics" on survival first (personal, team, patient, bystanders), then the medical care, and don't abandon the pyschosocial areas. > > >>>Stress management and adaptation > >Good. > >>>Spiritual health (if you are into this) > >Saw teh OSJ. I was CSSp trained, myself > >>>Camp hygiene > >Back to public health / personal preventive health > >>>Nutrition (are there any R.D.'s around) > >Good > >>>Promotion and maintenance of sleep > >And the risks of sleep deprivation on safe demobilization > >>>Pain control > >YES. YES. YES > >>>Fluid electrolyte and acid - base balances (nurse's seem to grasp this well) > >ugh > >>>Urinary and bowel elimination in the wilderness > >Yes > >>>Prevention (e.g. SAFETY) > >AGAIN, Bingo > > >>>Mobility and immobility > >Encourage the former, rue the latter > >SKIN CARE, pressure necrosis issues, joint immobilization risks, PTE risks > >>>Substance abuse issues for team members > >Done in the MCP program, would beneift the masses > >>>Wound care and management > >more than what is there now? >> > > > >>That's a heck of a list, and it will certainly form the basis for future work. >> >>Also, of course, for nursing procedures, we need suitable illustrations or >>photographs, and with no manpower or budget, this could be a real stumbling >>block. >> >ERGGG. what defines a "nursing" procedure, different from a "medical" or a "Health promotion" procedure? Help me understand > >>While I really don't want to re-invent the wheel, by writing a nursing >>procedures text, I am very concerned about the shortcomings of our present >>program...in essence, we tell our students that they need to arrange a >>clinical rotation on their own, to learn all these skills. > > >YES! > >> We expect them >>to be able to give injectable meds, yet we do not teach the skill. > >SHOULD WE? > >I wonder how often, and then how much, and then how essential is this program REALLY to the survival and health of the targeted group of 'patients/clients'? Are we doing a real value added service, or simply "feeding into" the desire to "do more" and "allow more" for the self satisfaction of the provider??? > >IF we believe (and ideally can prove) the NEED for the program, then we oughta to DEFINE the NEEDED components, and this should be from EXPEREINCE and REASONABLE anticipation, not conjecture. THEN a plan can be developed. If in the plan, it is likely, more than probable, that a skill will be REQUIRED, we need to construct the 'model' for training. This MUST include (IMHO) the rationale, indicationa dn contraindications, prefered technique, reaonable parametesrs to alter technique, and evaluation of effectiveness. A 'non-patient' model of instruction, followed by supervised patient contact,e tc, etc,.etc. It is the UNUSUAL person who can read and then do safely. Most of us like to see it done, adn still don't grasp the concept and skil fully until the umpteenth repetition. Remember 'primacy'....the first introduction and demo must be perfect, and ample opportunity to link it to other skills..(I digress) > >"Arranging one's own" clerkship is also not entirely feasable. Institutions, like hospitals, don't like non licensed/certified personel in their turf. OK for assessments, which are critical, but not hardly similar conditions. Nursing homes may be better for the kinds of things needed (if you think foleys and skin care, moibility issues are important) but then the isntructional model may be lacking. > >Best is to have a good clinician/educator on the patient-centered event (rescue) to coach the newer tech...but can't arrange that either./ All suggests that there are a ton of compromises to be made! > > >We >>expect them to be able to insert a Foley catheter, yet we do not teach the >>skill. This bothers me, since my background (way back) was in Nursing >>Education. >> >>Most of our core group have never cared for a patient on a long-term basis; > >Thanks for acknowledging that Bernie. I've never done a loing duration rescue. I have cared for a patient for several monthes, and frequently for several weeks. But not 24 hour continuous duty..... >(12 on, 12 off.....) > > > >>while they talk about it, they haven't experienced it. Our program is >>directed by a doctor with his Fellowship in Eemergency Medicine, > >Who probably had to do at least one year of general IM before that, which means he DID take care of patients for several days at a time... > >>and some >>Paramedics. Both categories are traditionally very short-term care. >> > >For the most part > >>I'd be interested in learning what the military nursing service has in the >>way of long-term nursing care manuals. > >I'll try to get an opportunity to check their site. I did find a tom on great stuf in the past on their site for field hospitals, mass care, etc >> >> >>Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ >>WEMSI Web Site Administrator >> > >Cheers as well. > >Barry J. Burton, DO, FACOEP, CAQ in EMS >BSN, RN (retired), CEN (expired), EMT-Instructor, HP... >23 years of EMS, 6 ICU, 18 EM, cumulative. >And now moving on to the greener pastures of less time stress and criticality in Occupational Medicine.... > >> >> >> >>http://www.wemsi.org/ >> >>broche@tcn.net >> >>Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >>To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >>as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >>Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >> >> Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:10:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.11) ID ; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:09:58 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:09:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:22:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:22:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ua1.cnnet.com ([207.229.6.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:21:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.229.6.134] by ua1.cnnet.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aikr) with ESMTP id za300403 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:19:12 -0700 Message-ID: <35205F9A.2B88@cnnet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:14:34 -0700 From: s+j nolan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED oops was good ??? References: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> <199803301225.HAA16125@titan.tcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 5beadd4657ad598b12768f6621091183 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Bernie :) Well... It looks like your "mistake" of sending out to others instead of just to me has turned out for the best !! There's a lot of great info and discussion coming across the line from it !! I just have to ask a potentially stupid question ... are there no present books (anywhere) available that would cover the info needed ?? Do you HAVE TO create your own ??? I don't have a clue, but I thought I'd put it out to the masses :) Julie :) (BA, RN) (yes, I know... I'm a BARN :) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:09:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:09:01 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:08:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-153.m2-4.tor.ican.net [142.154.21.153]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id HAA16125 for ; Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:25:50 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803301225.HAA16125@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:06:14 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: References: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 8e5e58c85b59080252d61281079d9f92 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 12:51 AM 31/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >> I have two major questions. >> >>1. Which nursing procedures should be included? >If we are going to look at procedures then I think we should look at some >of the skills preformed under standards that flight nurses do. I cannot >think of a more comparable level of isolation. Hi, Steven: My immediate reaction to this was that it was absolutely perfect, but the more I thought about it, the more I came to think that the flight nurse situation is really short-term...I used to fly two days a week, doing air ambulance runs from Toronto to Florida...the patient care time is only a matter of a few hours, at the most. (Although I realize the military perspective on this may be different.) Most of the rotary-wing flights are even shorter in duration. However, right now I can't think of a more suitable comparison, unless it's outpost nursing. (I did a bit of that, too; I was the ADN at Moose Factory General Hospital MANY years ago.) >If we want to look at nursing concepts that might have wilderness >implications some ideas might be: >Health an illness balance in the wilderness >Transcultural nursing (especially important if doing SAR in foreign areas) >The nursing model (assessment, planning, implementation, and evaluation... >I left off nursing diagnosis for a reason) of not only patients but the > SAR operations as a whole. >Ethics in wilderness medicine >SAR team and patient communications (not the radio type :-) ) >The teaching - learning process (SAR team and patient) >Leadership and management >Infection control >Basic patient monitoring (vitals etc) >Advanced physical and health assessment >Administration of medications >Documentation of procedures performed >Loss, death and the grieving process when the worst occurs. >The basic human needs >Stress management and adaptation >Spiritual health (if you are into this) >Camp hygiene >Nutrition (are there any R.D.'s around) >Promotion and maintenance of sleep >Pain control >Fluid electrolyte and acid - base balances (nurse's seem to grasp this well) >Urinary and bowel elimination in the wilderness >Prevention (e.g. SAFETY) >Mobility and immobility >Substance abuse issues for team members >Wound care and management That's a heck of a list, and it will certainly form the basis for future work. >Humm... these are just a few ideas, and not sure that these are even close >to what your thinking. Now don't get me wrong I don't want us to being care >plans in the field or anything, these are just some ideas. Close, but your list is more comprehensive than what I was thinking. I haven't had time to get this far along. Just goes to show...the power of a group vs. an individual. >>2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >>they are copyrighted. > >I am not sure how to get around this (because I am not a lawyer nor, want >anything to do with law... see EMED-L for details ) There is one >book that I can think of off the top of my head that has attempted to >address the unique nursing position. It is called, "Prehospital Nursing" >and is put out in hardcover from Mosby. It is really a landmark text (I >think) and should be looked at. I am sure that if text is not copied word >for work that the material must be public domain, because it is common >knowledge... but then again I am not a lawyer. My understanding is that there has to be at least a 20 % change in material in order to be legal. I can see this being a real pain in the ass...for example, how do you take a simple thing such as: "Place the thermometer under the tongue" and change 20% of the wording, without making it wordy or changing the meaning? Also, of course, for nursing procedures, we need suitable illustrations or photographs, and with no manpower or budget, this could be a real stumbling block. While I really don't want to re-invent the wheel, by writing a nursing procedures text, I am very concerned about the shortcomings of our present program...in essence, we tell our students that they need to arrange a clinical rotation on their own, to learn all these skills. We expect them to be able to give injectable meds, yet we do not teach the skill. We expect them to be able to insert a Foley catheter, yet we do not teach the skill. This bothers me, since my background (way back) was in Nursing Education. Most of our core group have never cared for a patient on a long-term basis; while they talk about it, they haven't experienced it. Our program is directed by a doctor with his Fellowship in Eemergency Medicine, and some Paramedics. Both categories are traditionally very short-term care. I'd be interested in learning what the military nursing service has in the way of long-term nursing care manuals. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:58:54 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:58:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:57:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:56:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 16:56:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ns40-15.goodnet.com [207.204.253.240]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA01148 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:58:04 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation with last message X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Tim White Date: Sat, 28 Mar 98 14:03:50 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a9e3c9c9116e1d3657d222ca5f9b9d89 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I think addressing nursing care is a great idea. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:58:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:58:29 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:58:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:57:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Bighoss19@aol.com by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5EFUa10883 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:54:48 -0500 (EST) From: Big hoss19 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 04:54:48 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 98169db2d02cce2fdec7adbdd68df2b5 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 http://www.csee.usf.edu/~gulledge/tracker.html here is a unofficial link to info about Tom Brown Jr. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:21:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:21:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from zephyr.traveller.com (zephyr.traveller.com [206.166.224.206]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.166.222.169] (max4-10-218.hsv.tis.net [206.166.222.169]) by zephyr.traveller.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA26194 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:19:28 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:19:28 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: twhite@tvpinc.com (Tim White) Subject: W-EMED Re: ER-NCRC Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d27eec8bf28c859a7584e52706c083a8 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Sorry all....the post that you HAD to read sent to Jack Grandey should have went to him privately. Sorry again. Be Safe, Tim 26949 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:19:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:11:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:09:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from zephyr.traveller.com (zephyr.traveller.com [206.166.224.206]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.166.222.145] (max4-10-117.hsv.tis.net [206.166.222.145]) by zephyr.traveller.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA26352 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:09:27 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:09:27 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: twhite@tvpinc.com (Tim White) Subject: W-EMED ER-NCRC Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 24dd5af0bb53a8b025318b260b6dc121 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Jack, Great to hear from you!! Both Pam and I are interested in the ER NCRC program. I took Level 1 in Ind. in '90 but have not had (or should I say taken the time to follow up with Level 2). ER's combo would be great for us, due to time problems and me offering myslef to go registeration at the 1998 NSS Convention we cannot attend NCRC this year. I am the former President of the Huntsville (AL) Cave Rescue Unit, Inc., Chair of the Safety and Training Committee of the Huntsville Grotto and a member of the Safety & Technique Committee for the NSS. Don't know if you know Jim Hall, from Huntsville, I belive he has been an instructor at ER in the past...we are good friends with him. If or when you have info on the week long program, please send it to us. Be Safe, Tim 26949 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:40 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:56:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (samsui@ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id QAA00987 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:15:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272115.QAA00987@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:53:18 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page! -Reply In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 08f889352e611e62601b28ba7eff176e Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 03:21 PM 27/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Bernie: > >Would you mind including the web site URL in your messages when you >update us on what's going on there? Thanks! > >Elaine Crabtree >ecrabtre@iupui.edu >Medical Educational Resources Program >Indiana University School of Medicine >Indianapolis, IN, USA Hi, Elaine: I just sort of assumed that all our people knew where our web site is. Dumb assumption on my part. It's at: http://www.wemsi.org/ Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:22:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:21:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:20:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from hummer.iupui.edu (hummer.iupui.edu [134.68.1.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from iupui.edu (merp.med.iupui.edu [134.68.117.117]) by hummer.iupui.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id PAA21618 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:19:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from IUSM-MERP-Message_Server by iupui.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:21:53 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 4.1 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:21:14 -0500 From: Elaine Crabtree To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page! -Reply Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 67bf24d9a6d313202b76e95c03f52c29 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 Hi Bernie: Would you mind including the web site URL in your messages when you update us on what's going on there? Thanks! Elaine Crabtree ecrabtre@iupui.edu Medical Educational Resources Program Indiana University School of Medicine Indianapolis, IN, USA Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:02:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:02:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:01:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:00:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:00:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA17105 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:19:30 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272019.PAA17105@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:00:06 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page!: ***CORRECTION*** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: a4536349445ae368f6092fd08e8e494b Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi: Sorry, the list came from Bill frost, who got it from Ray Rogers, who got it from Paul Dotson, who got it from.....oh, never mind. TGIF. OOPS: (((Ray Rogers sent me a nice list of SAR-related Catalog suppliers, which came to Ray from Paul Dotson. It's up on our web site, under "Links". Enjoy.))) ADD: Bill Frost's name to the top of this list and send it to ten of your friends. If you break the chain, we will send Jim Hill to spend the weekend at your place. You have been warned! Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:56:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:50 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:52:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:52:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15748 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:12:16 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272012.PAA15748@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:52:54 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Another NEW Wemsi Web Page! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b3a2c9b40a5d04223f6eb1be837c9fbd Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi: Ray Rogers sent me a nice list of SAR-related Catalog suppliers, which came to Ray from Paul Dotson. It's up on our web site, under "Links". Enjoy. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-093.m2-9.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.93]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA15228 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:08:45 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803272008.PAA15228@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:49:00 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: ER-NCRC In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b780433275819fdd3e858d6edfd7f90c Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 07:19 PM 27/03/98 +0000, you wrote: >Sorry all....the post that you HAD to read sent to Jack Grandey should have >went to him privately. Sorry again. > >Be Safe, > >Tim 26949 Hi, Tim: Seems to be an infectious process. I started it off with my mistake, which should have gone privately to Julie; then you replied to that one, to me; then Jack hopped in, and now you've caught the dreaded "Dammit-It's-Friday-Do-You-Know-Where-Your-REPLY-Buttons-Are" disease. However, there's hope for us yet...the weekend is almost here. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:54:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:54:20 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:52:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:50:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from zephyr.traveller.com (zephyr.traveller.com [206.166.224.206]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:50:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from [206.166.222.152] (max4-10-201.hsv.tis.net [206.166.222.152]) by zephyr.traveller.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA47724 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:19 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:50:19 GMT Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: twhite@tvpinc.com (Tim White) Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: beee27fd70324efd9490b7d5685aa06e Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Bernie, You wrote: > Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about >this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas >well-lormulated before opening my big yap. > > The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by >physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm >outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really >know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders >and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many >specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin >care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not >adequately address this area. > > I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an >appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should >include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are >likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a >"quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." > > I have two major questions. > >1. Which nursing procedures should be included? > >2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >they are copyrighted. > > I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. Just to keep things going in that direction....My wife and I are cavers and members of an active cave rescue unit. Pam is a surgical RN. She has been on many cave rescue, during the most recent we lost the patient, which is something she is not use to occuring. She has developed a great interest in wilderness med. But as you have stated there is very little information that includes and covers nurses. Pam does not have e-mail acccess, so I'll pass this information on to her and let you know her ideas. Be Safe, Tim 26949 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:14:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:14:15 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:14:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:12:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:10:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:10:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-159.m2-4.tor.ican.net [142.154.21.159]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id NAA24935 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:30:05 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803271830.NAA24935@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:10:29 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site: Neat New Stuff! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: f8ef4f1ad76a73f12b4ac2b2981ce234 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi: First, my apologies to the list for getting sloppy with my REPLY button...the message I sent to Julie was a private correspondence, and not meant for the list. New Pages on our web site include: 1. Jack Grandey's excellent article, "EMS Underground". 2. Toronto's Traffic Cams. 3. Pittsburgh's Traffic Cam. Please note that the Pittsburgh cam's pictures are not very clear in late afternoon when facing into the sun. 4. Some changes to the Schedule of Courses, mostly prices. 5. Also, don't miss "Casting Call - the Dublin Operation", again by Jack, and it's accompanying pages of photos. Coming soon: a huge list of manufacturers and suppliers of emergency and rescue equipment. This has been under construction for a long time, and is nearing completion. Over 1,800 web pages, with indexing alphabetically and by categories. Also coming soon: several new articles, and hopefully, some new areas. I've received many very helpful offers and suggestions in the last day or two. I've expressed my appreciation to most, but there are a few messages I'm still thinking about. To those people, let me say "thank you!" I'll write as soon as I can catch up. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:48:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:46:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:45:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:45:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from emed.upmc.edu (pphled03.dwing.upmc.edu [128.147.175.164]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:45:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from EMERG_MED/SpoolDir by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 27 Mar 98 10:57:07 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by EMERG_MED (Mercury 1.30); 27 Mar 98 10:56:51 -0500 Received: from pmp4em34.mckee.upmc.edu by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 27 Mar 98 10:56:50 -0500 From: "Jack T. Grandey" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:41:55 -0500 Message-ID: <01bd5996$df2ee1c0$9e3e9380@pmp4em34.mckee.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu id KAA16513 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ca343124eb59adc729221bc23b89d7ab Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Tim: Just so you know, our WEMT curriculum has had & continues to have the input of a number of nurses (Bernie, included) as we refine its design. More input is always welcome and you are welcome to download it from our web page and submit all comments directly to myself or Dr. Conover. Both of us, as well as others from the WEMSI senior staff are active members of the ER NCRC. Keith is its medical advisor. Sam Chewning, the national NCRC medical advisor is also on our editorial board. We appreciate the value of advanced medical care underground. We are teaching a WEMT class in conjunction with the ER NCRC's week long program, this summer in WV. If you have additional questions, or would like further information, please feel free to contact me directly. JTG Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P Director, Division of Applied Informatics Operations Director Department of Emergency Medicine Wilderness EMS Institute UPMC Health System http://www.wemsi.org/ http://www.upmc.edu/ -----Original Message----- From: Tim White To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Friday, March 27, 1998 9:25 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help >Bernie, >You wrote: >> Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about >>this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas >>well-lormulated before opening my big yap. >> >> The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by >>physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm >>outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really >>know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders >>and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many >>specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin >>care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not >>adequately address this area. >> >> I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an >>appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should >>include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are >>likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a >>"quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." >> >> I have two major questions. >> >>1. Which nursing procedures should be included? >> >>2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; >>they are copyrighted. >> >> I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. > >Just to keep things going in that direction....My wife and I are cavers and >members of an active cave rescue unit. Pam is a surgical RN. She has been >on many cave rescue, during the most recent we lost the patient, which is >something she is not use to occuring. She has developed a great interest in >wilderness med. But as you have stated there is very little information >that includes and covers nurses. Pam does not have e-mail acccess, so I'll >pass this information on to her and let you know her ideas. > > > >Be Safe, > >Tim 26949 > > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:32:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:30:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.34]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:30:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.65.167.191]) by mtigwc03.worldnet.att.net (post.office MTA v2.0 0613 ) with ESMTP id AAA20460 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:29:35 +0000 Message-ID: <351BC4BE.62F52A3B@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:24:46 -0700 From: Bill Frost X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED [Fwd: [NMSAR FORUM] SAR related catalogs] X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------9B61F5F3B4EFFF9831147B94" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 65b02c0f373f97e19a8e17c7fc4499f3 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 570949760 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9B61F5F3B4EFFF9831147B94 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > This list of SAR catalogs was forwarded to me by Paul Dotson, > dotson@lanl.gov. It might be of more general interest. > > > Galls's Inc. > 2680 Palumbo Dr. > PO Box 54308 > Lexington, KY 40555-4308 > 1-800-477-7766 > fire/rescue/law enforcement/ems > > Whelen Engineering Co. > Rout 145 > Winthrop Rd. > Chester, CT 06402 > 1-800-637-8762 > emergency lights > > CMC Rescue, Inc. > PO Drawer 6870 > Santa Barbara, CA 93160 > 1-800-235-5741 > rope rescue > > Rock-N-Rescue > PO Box 213 > Valencia, PA 16059 > 1-800-346-7673 > rope rescue > > Adventure Medical Kits > PO Box 43309 > Oakland, CA 94624 > 1-800-324-3517 > backpacking style med. kits > > Mountain Tools > 1-408-393-1000 > rock climbing and other rough terrain equipment. Good site! > email at info@mtntools.com. Address is: > 140 Calle del Oaks > Monterey, CA 93940-5711 fax: 408 393-1010 > > B&B Enterprises > PO Box 441-H > Lewisburg, WV 24901 > 1-304-772-3074 > rope rescue > > The Rescue Source > PO Box 519 > Elk Grove, CA 95759-0519 > 1-800-457-3728 > > Blue Water > 1-800-334-3368 > rope > > Magna Medical, Inc. > 7200 NW 7th Street, 2nd Floor > Miami, FL 33126 > 1-305-261-2211 > medical supply > > Rescue Specialists Unlimited > 1-703-222-0105 > rescue/medical > > Campmor > 1-800-230-2151 > camping/hiking/climbing/boating > > Liberty Mountain Sports > 1-800-366-2666 > camping/climbing > > REI > 1-800-426-4840 > camping/climbing/hiking/boating/biking > > Search Equipment Company > 1-800-473-4901 > 73764.3070@compuserve.com > k-9/water/navigation/communication > > Technical Rescue Services of Vermont > PO Box 29 > Underhill, VT 05489-0025 > 802-899-3427 > rope rescue/communication > > US Aid > PO Box 669306 > Charlotte, NC 28266 > 1-800-767-5757 > 704-357-1717 > Fax: 704-357-1528 > medical/saftey > > Armstrong Medical Industries > 575 Knights Bridge Parkway > PO Box 700 > Lincolnshire, IL 60069-0700 > 1-800-323-4220 > Fax: 847-913-0138 > > Chinook > PO Box 725 > Chambers Ave. 12 > Eagle, CO 81631 > medical/alpine/rescue > > Zee > 1-800-228-2878 > Charlotte, NC 1-800-849-0331 > medical/saftey > > Forestry Supplies, Inc. > PO Box 8397 > Jackson, MS 39284-8397 > 1-800-647-5368 > --------------9B61F5F3B4EFFF9831147B94 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Received: from mailhost.nmt.edu ([129.138.4.52]) by mtiwgwc01.worldnet.att.net (Intermail v3.1 117 234) with ESMTP id <19980305060625.HVSW21763@mailhost.nmt.edu>; Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:06:25 +0000 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mailhost.nmt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) id XAA22424 for nmsar-forum-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:02:57 -0700 Received: from Rt66.com (mack.rt66.com [198.59.162.1]) by mailhost.nmt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA22416 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:02:52 -0700 Received: from pmc21.rt66.com (pmc19.rt66.com [204.134.97.39]) by Rt66.com (8.8.7/8.8.6) with SMTP id XAA03380 for ; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:06:10 -0700 (MST) Received: by pmc21.rt66.com with Microsoft Mail id <01BD47C1.CD1C8320@pmc21.rt66.com>; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 23:03:53 -0700 Message-ID: <01BD47C1.CD1C8320@pmc21.rt66.com> From: Ray and Joan Rogers To: "'SAR forum'" Subject: [NMSAR FORUM] SAR related catalogs Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:24:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-nmsar-forum@nmt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: nmsar-forum@nmt.edu This list of SAR catalogs was forwarded to me by Paul Dotson, dotson@lanl.gov. It might be of more general interest. Ray Galls's Inc. 2680 Palumbo Dr. PO Box 54308 Lexington, KY 40555-4308 1-800-477-7766 fire/rescue/law enforcement/ems Whelen Engineering Co. Rout 145 Winthrop Rd. Chester, CT 06402 1-800-637-8762 emergency lights CMC Rescue, Inc. PO Drawer 6870 Santa Barbara, CA 93160 1-800-235-5741 rope rescue Rock-N-Rescue PO Box 213 Valencia, PA 16059 1-800-346-7673 rope rescue Adventure Medical Kits PO Box 43309 Oakland, CA 94624 1-800-324-3517 backpacking style med. kits Mountain Tools 1-408-393-1000 rock climbing and other rough terrain equipment. Good site! email at info@mtntools.com. Address is: 140 Calle del Oaks Monterey, CA 93940-5711 fax: 408 393-1010 B&B Enterprises PO Box 441-H Lewisburg, WV 24901 1-304-772-3074 rope rescue The Rescue Source PO Box 519 Elk Grove, CA 95759-0519 1-800-457-3728 Blue Water 1-800-334-3368 rope Magna Medical, Inc. 7200 NW 7th Street, 2nd Floor Miami, FL 33126 1-305-261-2211 medical supply Rescue Specialists Unlimited 1-703-222-0105 rescue/medical Campmor 1-800-230-2151 camping/hiking/climbing/boating Liberty Mountain Sports 1-800-366-2666 camping/climbing REI 1-800-426-4840 camping/climbing/hiking/boating/biking Search Equipment Company 1-800-473-4901 73764.3070@compuserve.com k-9/water/navigation/communication Technical Rescue Services of Vermont PO Box 29 Underhill, VT 05489-0025 802-899-3427 rope rescue/communication US Aid PO Box 669306 Charlotte, NC 28266 1-800-767-5757 704-357-1717 Fax: 704-357-1528 medical/saftey Armstrong Medical Industries 575 Knights Bridge Parkway PO Box 700 Lincolnshire, IL 60069-0700 1-800-323-4220 Fax: 847-913-0138 Chinook PO Box 725 Chambers Ave. 12 Eagle, CO 81631 medical/alpine/rescue Zee 1-800-228-2878 Charlotte, NC 1-800-849-0331 medical/saftey Forestry Supplies, Inc. 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:58:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:58:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:55:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 23:55:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA24103 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 22:55:15 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <199803270455.WAA24103@dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com> Received: from tuc-az5-03.ix.netcom.com(198.211.136.67) by dfw-ix3.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma024035; Thu Mar 26 22:54:52 1998 From: "JS Gladstone" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:41:33 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1161 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: ef19f30a6e4c99c4f256324b436822b1 Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I like your idea about the nursing care. I'm not a nurse myself, but as a WOFA instructor, my students' prime concern is caring for a victim until help arrives. Adding a nursing section to a cirriculum would benefit all, both professional and lay alike. Joe Gladstone, EMT-B MPH Student (Health Promotion) University of Arizona ---------- > From: Bernie Roche > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help > Date: Thursday, March 26, 1998 3:53 PM > Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about > this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas > well-lormulated before opening my big yap. > > The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by > physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm > outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really > know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders > and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many > specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin > care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not > adequately address this area. > > I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an > appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should > include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are > likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a > "quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." > > I have two major questions. > > 1. Which nursing procedures should be included? > > 2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; > they are copyrighted. > > I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. > > Best Wishes, > > Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ > WEMSI Web Site Administrator > > broche@tcn.net > > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:01:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:01:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:00:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:58:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-217.m2-13.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.217]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA28735 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:17:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803262317.SAA28735@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:10 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: References: <199803222315.SAA20086@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 0531c20b936c8cb964d1a2994c01647c X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 12:53 PM 26/03/98 -0900, you wrote: >I am fairly new to the internet, so i'm afraid that I don't really know of >many web sites. I did enjoy looking at the sites of medical suppliers and >manufactures as I purchase my own gear and don't really know any other >medics to ask about products and stuff. Sorry I'm replying so late but i've >been off the PC for a little over a week. > Steve Hi, Steve: Thanks for the reply. I'm working on a HUGE list of equipment suppliers, but it will be a while yet. It has about 1,800 web pages so far! - one for each manufacturer or supplier, plus index pages. Most of our visitors have NO idea how much work (I'm an unpaid volunteer) goes into a web site. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:27 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:57:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:53:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:53:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-217.m2-13.tor.ican.net [142.154.18.217]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA27724 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 18:13:10 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803262313.SAA27724@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:53:41 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> References: <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d38211c29c5ae3018f91fdddeb7c9c7d X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 08:10 AM 26/03/98 -0700, you wrote: >Hi Bernie, > >I am writing to tell you that I am one of those people who is in the >category of "knows nothing about wilderness things" and looks at the >mailings for fun and knowledge. I confess that I have not even been to >the web page yet as we just moved from Idaho to central Alberta. I am >an Obstetrics Nurse, with a Bachelor of Arts. I do have a few ideas for >you but have no idea if anyone else would like them: Hi, Julie: It's nice to see a "fellow nurse" on the mailing list. And thanks for the input. I really appreciate it. >1. Writings of the Wilderness - do any of you write about your >experiences ?? Either just hiking or on rescue missions ??? If no one >does then this type of page would be a bomb - but I would be interested >in seeing submissions of poems, stories (maybe even drawings :) from >people. Maybe even Comics on the topic (like For Better Or For Worse) ? Geat idea! We do already have a complete novel on our web site, but it's about caving. My problem is that I keep asking for articles, and getting none. I can't publish what I don't have. I'd be happy to make space available for the materials you've mentioned above. >2. My husband would like to have a link to Tom Brown Jr., who is an >excellent tracker and even has a school - sorry I don't have the link >but I can look for it and send it later. I'd appreciate it. That's one area we need to develop...pages linking to other SAr groups, resources, etc. I'm working on a listing of manufacturers and supplier of emergency equipemtn right now. It's about 1,800 web pages at the moment...one for each supplier, plus index pages. Most of our visitors have NO idea how much work (unpaid volunteer) goes into this site. That's why I growl on the mailing list...our staffers are not pulling their weight. >3. Have a section on Medical News in The News. This could have things >like reports on Latex Allergies, and if there was a topic of interest >people could ask for info there on a "sign-in" page, and leave their >address for others to get in touch with them. Another fine idea. I like it. It goes into the "To Do" file. Especially the "sign-in" page. However, one major problem is that most of the announcements are copyrighted. I have to be very careful how I "acquire" material. >I really don't know what you were looking for and/or if this stuff is of >any use to you - but it's my 2-bits-worth !! I will keep thinking and >throw some more stuff at you if I come up with something. It's a great help, Julie. New ideas are always welcome. Now, let me run one past you, as a nurse. I've been thinking about this for some time, but have kept quiet, since I want my ideas well-lormulated before opening my big yap. The W-EMT course, course plans, content, etc., was developed by physicians and paramedics. Very little input from nurses (I'm outnumbered). While much of our intent is long-term care, our docs really know very little about nursing care...they are accustomed to writing orders and leaving it to the nurses to get it done. And while we talk about many specialized nursing procedures, such as injections, catheterization, skin care, etc., etc., our course content and teaching material does not adequately address this area. I think, at the very least, our course plans and textbook need an appendix, or a complete chapter, on wilderness nursing care. This should include brief but detailed explanations of all the procedures which are likely to be needed, and rationales of care. It should be, in effect, a "quick course in basic nursing care for EMT's and paramedics." I have two major questions. 1. Which nursing procedures should be included? 2. How do I get the material? I can't copy from the various textbooks; they are copyrighted. I'll let you toss this around; let me know what you think. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:51:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:51:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:48:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:48:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts13-13.goodnet.com [207.98.132.142]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id RAA11121 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:50:05 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> References: Conversation <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> with last message <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Thu, 26 Mar 98 16:56:06 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 8ccec1648f9a6ebd2b06e76332b5c380 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Howard, glad you liked mt Hamish quotes, you thief. Love & Kisses, Tim. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:07:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:07:26 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:07:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:06:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:04:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from Student.northstar.k12.ak.us (student.northstar.k12.ak.us [198.104.160.15]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:03:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [198.104.165.178] ([198.104.165.178]) by Student.northstar.k12.ak.us (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA26433 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 13:20:40 -0900 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199803222315.SAA20086@titan.tcn.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:53:16 -0900 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: STEVE ANDERSON <01as@student.northstar.k12.ak.us> Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: f98f52a2866e375130f442986cfb544e X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 I am fairly new to the internet, so i'm afraid that I don't really know of many web sites. I did enjoy looking at the sites of medical suppliers and manufactures as I purchase my own gear and don't really know any other medics to ask about products and stuff. Sorry I'm replying so late but i've been off the PC for a little over a week. Steve >Hi: > > I am working on adding a new page to our rapidly growing web site. It >will allow visitors to add hyperlinks (URLs) to sites they have found >useful. The test page is already programmed and running properly. > > The next step is to decide what categories or main headings we should >use. Since these will be in a pull-down box, they need to be fairly broad >in nature. I would like to have not more than 12 at the very most. (I >have a feeling "Miscellaneous" will be very popular.) :-) > > Please use your REPLY button to send back to me a list of the >categories you would like to see included on this page. > > 1. > > 2. > > 3. > > 4. > > 5. > > 6. > > 7. > > 8. > > 9. > >10. > >11. > >12. > >Thank you for your help. > >Best Wishes, > >Bernie Roche >WEMSI Web Site Administrator >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:38:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:38:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:37:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from BMannix@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5XGPa08407 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:14 -0500 (EST) From: BMannix Message-ID: <4b05fe7.351a67e0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:36:14 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED Hamish MacInnes Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 52 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 73b1471071f24b11684276c205e181e9 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 In a message dated 98-03-26 03:31:24 EST, Lana wrote: << hm.. that's wierd.. who is Hamish MacInnes? I went to High School with a Hamish MacInnes.. >> Not the same one. Hamish MacInnes is one of the great British climbers of the mid-20th century who cut his teeth on the crags of Scotland. He has had a tremendous influence on mountain rescue techniques, as well as on ice climbing and the design of modern ice tools. But, more than anything else, I think of him as one of the innovators who popularized the notion that climbing over difficult terrain in "full conditions" can be fun. "Full conditions" are those times when you don't much mind your eyes freezing shut 'cause you couldn't see anything through the blizzard anyway. --Brian Mannix Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:18:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:13:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:13:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:13:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:12:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:12:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from Default (ppp42.ecentral.com [206.64.70.42]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA24647 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:12:56 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:12:56 -0700 Message-Id: <199803261612.JAA24647@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@ecentral.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: c18be28d81836408af2605f3f5f6cd01 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 01:20 AM 3/26/98 -0700, you wrote: > hm.. that's wierd.. who is hamish MacInnes? I went to High >School with a Hamish MacInnes.. and I refuse to believe that it's a common >north american name. > Hamish MacInnes, a Scottish mountaineer considered by many as the father of modern mountain rescue. ______________________________________ H o w a r d M. P a u l EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board ASTM Committee F32 on SAR ______________ "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:56:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:21:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:19:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:17:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from ua1.cnnet.com ([207.229.6.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:17:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [207.229.6.133] by ua1.cnnet.com (NTMail 3.03.0017/1.aikr) with ESMTP id wa296084 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:14:35 -0700 Message-ID: <351A6FD7.2932@cnnet.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:10:15 -0700 From: s+j nolan X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help References: <199803241535.KAA01231@titan.tcn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: c6d11876b6e6b60f63dc3d78639f2771 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Hi Bernie, I am writing to tell you that I am one of those people who is in the category of "knows nothing about wilderness things" and looks at the mailings for fun and knowledge. I confess that I have not even been to the web page yet as we just moved from Idaho to central Alberta. I am an Obstetrics Nurse, with a Bachelor of Arts. I do have a few ideas for you but have no idea if anyone else would like them: 1. Writings of the Wilderness - do any of you write about your experiences ?? Either just hiking or on rescue missions ??? If no one does then this type of page would be a bomb - but I would be interested in seeing submissions of poems, stories (maybe even drawings :) from people. Maybe even Comics on the topic (like For Better Or For Worse) ? 2. My husband would like to have a link to Tom Brown Jr., who is an excellent tracker and even has a school - sorry I don't have the link but I can look for it and send it later. 3. Have a section on Medical News in The News. This could have things like reports on Latex Allergies, and if there was a topic of interest people could ask for info there on a "sign-in" page, and leave their address for others to get in touch with them. I really don't know what you were looking for and/or if this stuff is of any use to you - but it's my 2-bits-worth !! I will keep thinking and throw some more stuff at you if I come up with something. Julie :) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:29:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:28:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from nucleus.com (root@nucleus.com [199.45.65.129]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 03:28:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (pm1-cgy-72.nucleus.com [207.34.67.72]) by nucleus.com (8.8.8/8.8.8-NIS-11-28.97) with ESMTP id BAA20044 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:40:13 -0700 (MST) Message-Id: <199803260840.BAA20044@nucleus.com> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Info. Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:20:38 -0700 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1162 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: b3feafa651cdcdad248b3f49c44595f0 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 | From: Tim Kovacs | Thank you for your candor. I'm pleased it was not a stokes which broke, | which, by the way, are usually easy to acquire cheap or free via military | surplus - and you just can't kill 'em. Yes! that's been my experience with them as well... I have yet to see a plastic basket stretcher so much as dented .. and well.. on a REALLY old wire basket stretcher I used once, the wires were getting loose and rattled in the back of the truck... but it still worked fine :-) |Of course, they are about 37 pounds. hm.. .. there's that strange adversion I have to carrying personal gear, a trauma pack AND a 37 pound stretcher up a mountain pass... I wonder why I would have such a strange adversion... I think If I can convince somebody to donate a basket stretcher to us .. we will likely go with it. Mind you.. I'll go with anything that somebody will donate to us! :-) Otherwise.. I'm gonna try and convince the guys that control the budget that they should dish out the cash for a lifesuit. The SKED, I have seen.. I'm convinced that it is THE thing for dragging people out of caves, crevaces, and up the side of cliffs... but for just plain walking down the trail i'm not convinced. However, it COULD double as a giant Crazy-Carpet for winter fun! :-) Back to the lifesuit. It's really just like a large rip-stop nylon body-bag... or bivi-sack.. or some sort of hybrid between the two. I found out most of what I know about it on their website www.lifesuit.com and from coorespondance from some e-mail I sent them. Rigid it's not.. but I think that it would be a comfortable ride out if the non-spinal pt. was given a ensolite or therm-a-rest while in the lifesuit. | rescuer." Hamish MacInnes hm.. that's wierd.. who is hamish MacInnes? I went to High School with a Hamish MacInnes.. and I refuse to believe that it's a common north american name. later Lana Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:09:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:09:19 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:09:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from pop.goodnet.com (pop.goodnet.com [207.98.129.100]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 26 Mar 1998 00:03:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (phx-ts18-6.goodnet.com [207.98.133.39]) by pop.goodnet.com (8.8.8/8.8.6) with SMTP id WAA26501 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:05:01 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199803251614.LAA23329@titan.tcn.net> References: Conversation with last message <199803251614.LAA23329@titan.tcn.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Date: Wed, 25 Mar 98 21:11:19 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: d72ded0637e6b3fbc82d20ae419133ac X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 Don't know how I can help, especially since I am a website and internet neophyte, but anything we can do from the MRA to be helpful or supportive, we'll do. "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Tim Kovacs. tkovacs@goodnet.com Vice President, MRA Ops Leader/ Paramedic/ WEMT-P, Maricopa COunty Sheriff's Office Mountain Rescue/ Central AZ Mtn Rescue Assn Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:23:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:52:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:44:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from naps.uwindsor.ca (dns.uwindsor.ca [137.207.232.1]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: id LAA06750; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:05 -0500 Received: by gateway id LAA08818 for ; Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:41:12 -0500 X-Sender: pirie1@server.uwindsor.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:38:05 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Steven D. Pirie" Subject: W-EMED Eye Exams Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: c0f81b34259ab871ba4f79961d2ac26d X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 Hello everyone, I was noticing the other day that Cyclopentolate HCl was in the search part of the WEMSI wilderness search and rescue medical kits. I have a few questions for you? 1. How many of you are using it in your field practices for eye exams? What are the indications? 2. Do you find that it is of great benefit or could you get away without it? 3. Does anyone have a protocol for use and / or a teaching module for the drug to teach medics? Thanks in advance, Steven ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- OCdt Steven D. Pirie, BScN(c) Nursing Officer (Land) University of Windsor Canadian Forces Medical Service ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:55:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-132.m2-4.tor.ican.net [142.154.21.132]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA23329 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:14:00 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251614.LAA23329@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:54:50 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 4a8e201c259f8d345a14c0a1932a4a87 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 10:19 AM 25/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >>From Western Mass Con-ed Outlines > >http://wmems.org/wilderne.htm > >Solo in Conway NH >http://www.stonehearth.com/ > >lookin for training related sites (web) for a listing being put together by >the National Collegiate EMS Foundation >http://www.ncemsf.org/ feel to send them privately Hi: Thanks for the help. I'll get working on this. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:23:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:21:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:21:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.42]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:21:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from Bighoss19@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5YSLa09986 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:19:16 -0500 (EST) From: Big hoss19 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:19:16 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 49 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: eb703122789fb75df990c3704242e00d X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 >From Western Mass Con-ed Outlines http://wmems.org/wilderne.htm Solo in Conway NH http://www.stonehearth.com/ lookin for training related sites (web) for a listing being put together by the National Collegiate EMS Foundation http://www.ncemsf.org/ feel to send them privately Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:18:50 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:18:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:17:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from Pbroche (ppp-161.m2-12.tor.ican.net [142.154.22.161]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA15821 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:36:11 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199803251536.KAA15821@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:09:48 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help In-Reply-To: <816efa6.35191b18@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: e4bc6f5b468429c4ba0f8eed639c2ac5 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 At 09:56 AM 25/03/98 -0500, you wrote: >How about links to communications-related sites (if not already included)? I >can supply several. Just say the word. IMHO, communications is and has >always been a terribly insufficiently-covered topic in emergency medicine. >Glad to help if I can. > >Jeff Howell, EMT (et al) Hi, Jeff: I agree...communications is the area which usually causes the most problems in SAR, Disaster work, and wilderness medicine. I'd love to do a page or area devoted to communications. Go Wild! You can have all the space you want. Text, Pics, stray dogs, you name it. I have no idea how much or little you know about web page construction. If you know how, go for it. If not, send me plain ascii text, and pics if any, as e-mail attachments, and I'll do the rest. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche WEMSI Web Site Administrator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.1.10) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:03 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:59:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:58:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:57:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.1.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from JHowel@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv13.ems) id 5FCIa07206 for ; Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:18 -0500 (EST) From: J Howel Message-ID: <816efa6.35191b18@aol.com> Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:56:18 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED WEMSI Web Site Needs Your Help Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 40 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-UIDL: 93f840ee2bd635d5ce7b5c4313e10915 X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 How about links to communications-related sites (if not already included)? I can supply several. Just say the word. IMHO, communications is and has always been a terribly insufficiently-covered topic in emergency medicine. Glad to help if I can. Jeff Howell, EMT (et al) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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