Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titania.r1-dvrf.kynd.net (frhcg) [208.167.53.188] by montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian)) id 10z9DT-0003kz-00; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01bec298$f16506a0$02000003@frhcg> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED stokes and boards Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:36:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4E650.CNM We in the past also have used the oregon spine splint as another laminant layer in this package works well to provide support and layered security. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:03:24 -0400 (EDT) From: RSSHANDLER@aol.com Received: from RSSHANDLER@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hFDAa19642 (14382) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <457023fc.24aa2bef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:02:23 EDT Subject: W-EMED stokes and boards To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P5CC00.CNM I found your ideas about the vacuum splint/ SKED/ aluminum backboard interesting, as well as the verticle lift concepts. What do you do with a pt. with lower extremity injuries? Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macs.mxim.com (macs.mxim.com [204.17.143.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macs.mxim.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08921 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906291605.JAA08921@macs.mxim.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED stokes and boards In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:02:23 EDT." <457023fc.24aa2bef@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:05:46 PDT From: Hal Lillywhite Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P2A940.CNM RSSHANDLER@aol.com writes: >I found your ideas about the vacuum splint/ SKED/ aluminum >backboard interesting, as well as the verticle lift concepts. >What do you do with a pt. with lower extremity injuries? Splint in the normal manner, often with a vacuum splint, then use a SKED or other litter if injuries are such that the patient cannot walk. In this case you can carry without a full body vacuum splint but such a full body splint makes the patient much more comfortable. One possible disadvantage of the SKED is that as far as I know there is no way to put a wheel on one. However in most conditions the patient will be quite comfortable if you just drag it over the trail as long as you have the full body vacuum splint between him and the plastic. I didn't believe this myself till they put me in one and drug me around a bit, over rocks, curbs etc. Usually a backboard is not necessary for this but on very rough terrain it does provide extra protection from rocks etc. If you are interested in this the best thing is to beg, borrow, or otherwise get your hands on a SKED, full body vacuum splint and suitable backboard. Experiment a bit, using your team members as subjects so they see what it's like. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macs.mxim.com (macs.mxim.com [204.17.143.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macs.mxim.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01624 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906282243.PAA01624@macs.mxim.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:26:21 CDT." <001f01bebbae$faf7ccc0$5d38b8d1@jgreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:43:24 PDT From: Hal Lillywhite Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 2621568 0 1 P47FB0.CNM >"John and Lori Green" write: >If you want light-weight c-spine protection - i would recommend the >SKED with th OSS. we use this in a lot of our rescues and in a >cave environment - it is essential. This does work well. There is another option which I like even better though it might not work as well for caves where you sometimes have to turn tight corners. Portland Mountain Rescue is going to a full-body vacuum splint in a SKED. If we are concerned about spinal stability or have to go over an edge we add a backboard. We use a folding aluminum backboard which we have modified by making it narrower so it will fit in the SKED. The backboard goes between the vacuum splint and the SKED, not next to the patient. This makes a *very* comfortable package for the patient since the splint conforms to body shape and provides insulation. (Most of us have had a turn as mock patient since we weren't sure how comfortable it would be.) I have no hesitation recommending this for normal carrying of patients. We are working on how to use the set-up for high angle rock and ice rescues. So far results are very good and have been presented in national MRA meetings. We do need a bit more work on this to iron out the last few kinks. The critical item seems to be attaching the ropes to the SKED in such a manner that it will easily come over an edge. For a horizontal patient it is much like a horizontal basket litter. If a vertical raise can be done you need to be careful and attach the ropes to the SKED about one-third the way down the body. Then you need tag lines to be certain the litter reaches the edge face out. If done properly and with reasonable edge protection, the litter comes up over the edge quite smoothly, much better than fighting a horizontal litter around the obstacles which seem to inhabit every edge where you want to raise or lower a patient. We do the vertical litter without attendent which speeds things up considerably, controlling it with tag lines. We believe that with practice we can dispense with the horizontal litter on all but the longest raises of severely injured patients. The vertical SKED is so much faster than fighting a horizontal one that we believe the speed compensates for the less than ideal patient aspect. The idea is to get the patient to a flat surface where better care can be provided instead of trying to provide that care as patient and attendent are hanging off the ropes. Another advantage is that with a single patient and no attendent we can safely use 11mm ropes and save weight. This also often translates into a time advantage since we save about 25-30% on the rope weight we must carry to the scene. Add to that the fact that the SKED is easier to carry to the scene than a basket litter and I think this is the way to go for nearly all wilderness rescues. The biggest disadvantage is that if you don't do it right, you end up with a patient stuck in a vertical position while you fix the problem. In that sense this is less forgiving than a horizontal raise. This one must be practiced to the point that the team is competent before use on a real patient. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgi.icon.co.za (cgi.icon.co.za [196.26.208.8]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (smtp.icon.co.za [196.26.208.3]) by cgi.icon.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8DD46A7C for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:19:41 +0200 (SAST) Received: from icon.co.za (m8-55-ndf.dial-up.net [196.34.159.247]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26673 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:19:40 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <377364FA.FFC5E853@icon.co.za> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:16:10 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Diaster kits References: X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P67EF0.CNM Hello all, This is a fair comment. I am anaesthetist in private practice in Johannesburg, South Africa. I have had extensive trauma experience in various hospitals over the last 20 something years, but do little trauma now ( for three years ). I have been a sporadic member of the Mountain Club of South Africa rescue team for about 23 years. Arthur MYScher@aol.com wrote: > > If the esteemed correspondents wouldn't mind, I'd like to ask that folks > writing in to this forum identify where they're located, Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Please contact me and I will give you directions and more information. Thanks for your interest, I am looking forward to speaking with you. Vern Miller, NREMT-P Chairman Allegheny Mountain Rescue Group Pittsburgh, Pa. Office (412) 578-3248 Pager (412) 272-3263 millervh@msx.upmc.edu vmiller@nb.net -----Original Message----- From: David Grogan To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 5:02 AM Subject: W-EMED No Subject >Where can i join the search and rescue team in western pa i have been trying to >find out when meeting are and where they are at rumor had it the were at mercy >hospital before. if anyone knows please let me know > > >Dave >___________________________________________________________________ >Sent via BigAssWeb - free email service at http://www.bigassweb.com > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out.fetchmail.com (root@brazil.coconut.co.uk [195.153.207.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fetchmail.com (IDENT:web-fetchmail@out.fetchmail.com [195.153.207.133]) by out.fetchmail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01712 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199906250327.EAA01712@out.fetchmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) From: David Grogan To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED No Subject Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 0100 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P3EE60.CNM Where can i join the search and rescue team in western pa i have been trying to find out when meeting are and where they are at rumor had it the were at mercy hospital before. if anyone knows please let me know Dave ___________________________________________________________________ Sent via BigAssWeb - free email service at http://www.bigassweb.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Sigset: -1 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Netiquette Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:11:51 -0400 I would like to remind all list members that adhominem attacks such as this are considered inappropriate for this or any other list, _especially_ when unsupported by any evidence -- and even more so when off-topic for the list. It would be possible to make the list posting and membership policies more restrictive to help prevent inappropriate postings from this and other addreses. However, it is so easy to get a temporary address from a provider such as hotmail.com, join a list and then post, that list restrictions generally cause problems for the honest list members and do little to prevent inappropriate posts. Whenever possible, the listowners will attempt to locate and terminate list abusers -- but often this takes time. However, this does provide an opportunity to post a reminder about netiquette for those who are interested in playing by the rules: The most critical thing to read is the dry but essential RFC 1855, which can be found on the net at: http://marketing.tenagra.com/rfc1855.html Netscape provides its own rules for newsgroups as part of the help file online: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/3.0/news/news2.html#netiquette There are a variety of entertaining and useful Web sites available, including the entire text of a commercially-published book on the subject: http://jade.wabash.edu/wabnet/info/netiquet.htm http://psg.com/emily.html http://members.aol.com/macabrus/faqs.html http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/netiquette.htm http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ The last also includes a test to assess _your_ knowledge of netiquette. Another entertaining suggestion: use any of the metasearch engines on the Web (http://www.profusion.com/ is currently my favorite) and search for "Diary of an AOL User." There are several versions out there, all entertaining yet educational -- and probably the quickest way for someone new to the world of email and newsgroups to get the idea. -- Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP, list co-owner. On 18 Jun 99, at 18:48, christina rivers wrote: > Dear Dr.Mullan, My boyfriend competed in that disaster you ran > called the LAKE MEAD MOUNTAIN RAGE.He was in the hospital for a > week after he received no medical care at the race.You guys/girls > are phoney and luckily we are smart enough to hire a good attorney > here in Calif. and he has made contacts lready in Nev.and Az.We > will be suing you for something he called negligence;just thot > you'd want to know;Christina > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one (Me@comp48.tcn.net [209.135.79.48]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA23324 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906240447.AAA23324@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:51:08 -0400 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Photos Needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P17110.CNM Hi: I'm working on a project to promote awareness of the fact that many baby car seats are not being properly installed in cars, resulting in thousands of needless deaths and injuries to children. We need some suitable crash photos...dramatic, but not gory. The ideal pic might show the right rear door of a smashed car, with a baby seat dangling from its safety strap, but we'll settle for ANYTHING which will get people's attention. We're hoping that SOMEONE from the list will help us out with this...it's for a very important cause. Thanks, and looking forward to an overwhelming response. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Sigset: 2 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Netiquette Cc: christina rivers Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:27:39 -0400 I would like to remind all list members that adhominem attacks such as this are considered inappropriate for this or any other list, _especially_ when unsupported by any evidence -- and even more so when off-topic for the list. It would be possible to make the list posting and subscription policies more restrictive to help prevent inappropriate postings from this and other addreses. However, it is so easy to get a temporary address from a provider such as hotmail.com, subscribe to a list and then post, that list restrictions generally cause problems for the honest subscribers and do little to prevent inappropriate posts. Whenever possible, the listowners will attempt to locate and terminate list abusers -- but often this takes time, and sometimes we simply can't track down an errant poster. However, this does provide an opportunity to post a reminder about netiquette for those who are interested in playing by the rules: Netiquet.TXT, being some pointers to Web resources on netiquette, and a humorous look at it. The most critical thing to read is the dry but essential RFC 1855, which can be found on the net at: http://marketing.tenagra.com/rfc1855.html Netscape provides its own rules for newsgroups as part of the help file online: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/3.0/news/news2.html#netiqu ette There are a variety of entertaining and useful Web sites available, including the entire text of a commercially-published book on the subject: http://jade.wabash.edu/wabnet/info/netiquet.htm http://psg.com/emily.html http://members.aol.com/macabrus/faqs.html http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/netiquette.htm http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ The last also includes a test to assess _your_ knowledge of netiquette. Another entertaining suggestion: use any of the search engines on the Web (http://www.metacrawler.com/ is currently my favorite) and search for "Diary of an AOL User." There are several versions out there, all entertaining yet educational -- and probably the quickest way for someone new to the world of email and newsgroups to get the idea. -- Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP, list co-owner. On 18 Jun 99, at 18:48, christina rivers wrote: > Dear Dr.Mullan, My boyfriend competed in that disaster you ran > called the LAKE MEAD MOUNTAIN RAGE.He was in the hospital for a > week after he received no medical care at the race.You guys/girls > are phoney and luckily we are smart enough to hire a good attorney > here in Calif. and he has made contacts lready in Nev.and Az.We > will be suing you for something he called negligence;just thot > you'd want to know;Christina > -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-ID: X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Header: In-reply-to: <19990619014858.73277.qmail@hotmail.com> X-RS-Sigset: -1 To: christina rivers ,wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu,drbill@4windsadventure.com Subject: netiquette and list policies (was: W-EMED lake mead race) Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:50:28 -0400 I would like to remind all subscribers that adhominem attacks such as this are considered inappropriate for this or any other list, _especially_ when unsupported by any evidence -- and even more so when off-topic for the list. It would be possible to make the list posting and subscription policies more restrictive to help prevent inappropriate postings from this and other addreses. However, it is so easy to get a temporary address from a provider such as hotmail.com, subscribe to a list and then post, that list restrictions generally cause problems for the honest subscribers and do little to prevent inappropriate posts. Whenever possible, the listowners will attempt to locate and terminate list abusers -- but often this takes time, and sometimes we simply can't track down an errant poster. However, this does provide an opportunity to post a reminder about netiquette for those who are interested in playing by the rules: Netiquet.TXT, being some pointers to Web resources on netiquette, and a humorous look at it. The most critical thing to read is the dry but essential RFC 1855, which can be found on the net at: http://marketing.tenagra.com/rfc1855.html Netscape provides its own rules for newsgroups as part of the help file online: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/3.0/news/news2.html#netiqu ette There are a variety of entertaining and useful Web sites available, including the entire text of a commercially-published book on the subject: http://jade.wabash.edu/wabnet/info/netiquet.htm http://psg.com/emily.html http://members.aol.com/macabrus/faqs.html http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/netiquette.htm http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ The last also includes a test to assess _your_ knowledge of netiquette. Another entertaining suggestion: use any of the search engines on the Web (http://www.metacrawler.com/ is currently my favorite) and search for "Diary of an AOL User." There are several versions out there, all entertaining yet educational -- and probably the quickest way for someone new to the world of email and newsgroups to get the idea. -- Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP, list co-owner. On 18 Jun 99, at 18:48, christina rivers wrote: > Dear Dr.Mullan, > My boyfriend competed in that disaster you ran called > the LAKE MEAD MOUNTAIN RAGE.He was in the hospital for a week after > he received no medical care at the race.You guys/girls are phoney and > luckily we are smart enough to hire a good attorney here in Calif. and he > has made contacts lready in Nev.and Az.We will be suing you for something > he called negligence;just thot you'd want to know;Christina > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from despina.ts1-dvrf.kynd.net (frhcg) [208.167.52.17] by montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian)) id 10wnLF-0002Cf-00; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01bebd7f$5a3b8920$02000003@frhcg> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4BCE0.CNM linda We have been using market super glues in the ED on humans for some time for superfiscial lacerations ( not below subcutaneous fatty tissue layer ) Regularly use it on my pets and animals to close wounds utilizing hair twist and gluing method with good result largest wound has been up to 6 cm . anything larger should be close with sutures do to size and more than likly depth. I do avoid closing puncture wounds do to the likely-hood of infection. always cleanse wounds thoroughly no matter what treatment and you will see a decreased infection rate. Ron Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA28238; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:19:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:19:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca41-181.ix.netcom.com(209.111.208.181) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028229; Wed Jun 23 08:19:02 1999 To: MYScher@aol.com To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-Id: <199862461446441@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P5C000.CNM On 06/23/99 08:38:04 you wrote: > >Can someone tell me where to look for a brief history of the use of SuperGlue >in closing lacerations? Here is a reference that is on my caving self rescue web site: http://www.fensende.com/Users/swnymph/refs/glue.html Ms. Frye includes several references in her paper. Hope this helps. Cindy Heazlit cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MYScher@aol.com Received: from MYScher@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hGLCa29801 (553) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:08:30 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Diaster kits To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 68 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P33580.CNM If the esteemed correspondents wouldn't mind, I'd like to ask that folks writing in to this forum identify where they're located, who they work for, and they're rating or the like...aside from the curiosity factor (very much present!), knowing where the info is coming from helps at times to understand it. Many of us work and play in very different contexts, and we need to be discerning sometimes in applying each other's advice (okay, I know you all know that...). I know several things I was taught in the Israeli military are really frowned upon here in the US... blessings, mordechai y. scher worcester, ma emt-b, spencer rescue squad combat medic 09, IDF paramedic student physician's spouse and willing student :-) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MYScher@aol.com Received: from MYScher@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hNWUa23474 (3944) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ebcab39.24a22f2c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:38:04 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 68 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P0CD10.CNM Can someone tell me where to look for a brief history of the use of SuperGlue in closing lacerations? I first heard about it about 20 years ago, in the Israel Defense Force. Heard it had been thought up by US Special Forces personnel. To my surprise and dismay, my physician wife knows nothing about this, and I wanted to fill her in...along with practical guidelines for use. She says she's not even familiar with the hospital-use analogs...hasn't seen them in the ED nor in the rural clinic where she's doing residency. Thanks, mordechai y. scher worcester, ma emt-b, spencer rescue squad combat medic 09, IDF Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd121.hotmail.com [207.82.252.185]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26114 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 1999 12:44:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990623124437.26113.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.130.189.81 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:44:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.130.189.81] From: Mike Webster To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:44:36 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P2D690.CNM Hi, Last summer I was working in Springerville, Arizona which is right in the middle of Apache National Forest where the Rainbow Coalition had its annual gathering. Apache County is a remote and rural ranching community and there was much apprehension of this hippie invasion. The Rainbow Coalition wasn't so much of a problem but instead the drifters that followed being attracted to the drug, free love, and youthful sub-culture. Still, all and all there were not that many big issues. Some minor drug violations, very little petty theft, some vandalism, runaways, and the environmental impact left on the forest. The Forest Service made arrangements for Rainbow members to clean up before their departure which helped some since keeping a clean water source and sanitary conditions was difficult. All and all though this was a fairly anti-climatic event compared to what the County expected it to be. Local government, law enforcement, EMS, as well as the Forest Service worked together very effectivly to reduce the impact. Some resources that might help you are: Apache County Sheriff's Department, Springerville and Eagar Police Departments, Arizona Dept. of Public Safety, White Mountain Community Hospital,(Springerville) White Mountain Ambulance (Springerville), Springerville Ranger Station and HQ for Apache National Forest (in Springerville as well) and the Springerville and Eagar Town Halls. (Springerville and Eagar are essentially the same town known locally as Round Valley) Sorry I don't have phone numbers handy but someone on that list should be able to give you some useful information. Regards, Mike Webster ----Original Message Follows---- From: "DOC" Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: Subject: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:17:31 -0500 Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency planning for coming 50,000 hippies invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked to help by the "council" because of last yrs problems in AZ...I got there late and no real problems so I left ..weird Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mkeowl@aol.com Received: from Mkeowl@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hKDCa04818 (4452) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:29:24 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P183B0.CNM Any difference from the Super Glues we buy at the hardware store? I have been told that any super glue type is OK to use on dogs? I ahv ealways wondered what the store stuff is compared to the medical stuff... Thanks, Linda in VA Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgi.icon.co.za (cgi.icon.co.za [196.26.208.8]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (smtp.icon.co.za [196.26.208.3]) by cgi.icon.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F01D46A5F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:29:49 +0200 (SAST) Received: from icon.co.za (m1-20-ndf.dial-up.net [196.34.156.20]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28788 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:29:48 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <376FD299.CECCA966@icon.co.za> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:14:49 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Diaster kits References: X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P6A9F0.CNM Hello all, Steven D. Pirie wrote - very much shortened : > > Ms. Maggiani, > > >I'm trying to put together lists of supplies we need for our hurricane > >shelters here in coastal NC. In the past its been very dis-organized .l > >Last year was my first experience running medical services for a shelter with > >750+ persons for 48 hours. > > Humm... 750 persons for two days eh... That is a tough one, so I asked some > friends and this is what we came up with (slow at work)... ... AJM: This list took a lot more than a slow shift at work to draw up, but I would suggest a few additions. LOTS more duct tape - it can be used for just about everything from dressings to neck collar to holding vehicles together At least three large cylinders of oxygen, and some anaesthetic disposable circle tubing systems, with carbon dioxide absorbers - with a little skill, easily obtainable at your local hospital, the oxygen can go a LOT further. At least two laryngoscope sets - spare cells and light bulbs. Two bag mask resuscitators. If you have only one the valve will tear. A set of Brain Laryngeal Masks - again, skill is obtainable at your hospital. More torches ( flashlights) - Head lights by Petzel are robust and useful. Head torches leave both your hands free to do work. Plaster of Paris rolls - 100mm and 75mm, one box each. Cling Wrap ( plastic film that sticks to itself, used in home kitchens to cover trays of food ) is cheap, and makes good burns dressings, and is haemostatic. Two boxes each of adrenaline ( epinephrine ) and ketamine - both very useful in disaster situations, and cheap. 2% lignocaine for intravenous injection - cardiac dysrhythmias, nerve block, laryngeal/tracheal spray. Compressed nasal tampons - makes packing a broken or bleeding nose easy and not unpleasant. Can be used to stop bleeding in many deep stab wounds. I would leave out as much as possible from the original list - specific items to remove will need local knowledge. How sure are you of relief as soon as the hurricane is over - some of the equipment will not be needed if the stay is 2-3 days only. Arthur Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-10.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.10]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01545 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:00:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003b01bebcd5$ac0f6aa0$0a0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:35:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P67730.CNM Hi Peter, Can't tell you anything about it except it is happening...there are no leaders,no permits but they've been doing it(gathering)for at least 20 yrs at a spot chosen by some secret council ....July 4th is the high holy day... different state every year ..AZ last year Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wdcrobims01.ed.gov (wdcrobims01.ed.gov [165.224.216.147]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wdcrobims01.ed.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCabe, Peter" To: "'wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu'" Subject: RE: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:19:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P59870.CNM Can you tell me more about this 50,000 person gathering as it were in the Allegheny National Forest area of Pennsylvania. Are there name and contact points for reps in the Forest Service. Thanks Peter A. McCabe Compliance Reports Project Coordinator, OCR/ED Telephone: (202) 205-9567 FAX: (202) 205-3698 > -----Original Message----- > From: DOC [SMTP:doc@futureone.com] > Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 5:18 PM > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING > > Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency > planning > for coming 50,000 hippies > invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked > to > help by the "council" because of last yrs problems in AZ...I got there > late > and no real problems so I left ..weird Doc > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-t-67.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.77]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906221459.KAA23469@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING In-reply-to: <007901bebc2b$7a1ba400$0c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P15770.CNM On 21 Jun 99, at 16:17, DOC wrote: > Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency > planning for coming 50,000 hippies invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in > next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked to help by the "council" because of > last yrs problems in AZ...I got there late and no real problems so I left > ..weird Doc I'd suggest that the "regular" EMS community is the best place for information on special event planning -- http://www.naemsp.org is the National Association of EMS Physicians, and a good place to start looking. As far as hippies lost in the woods, there aren't a lot of SAR teams right in the Allegheny National Forest area -- indeed, a topic of discussion at meetings of the Pennsylvania SAR Council has been "why isn't there an organized SAR team in the Erie/Allegheny National Forest area?" However, there are many PSARC teams withing a few hours' drive. Information available at: http//www.psarc.org Hope this helps. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jaymullen@aol.com Received: from Jaymullen@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hTADa27391 (325) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c4d26f.24a1244a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:39:22 EDT Subject: W-EMED Laceration closure in the field To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 216 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P70EF0.CNM Does anyone have any experience with, or know research regarding closure of simple lacerations in the field? During the course of multi-day adventure races, racers sometimes get lacerations which should be closed. The problem is that sterility in the field is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to obtain, yet the racer does not want to leave the race. This is often compounded by the fact that it may take a day or more to reach civilization and a hospital. My practice has been to explain the risks and benefits as well as I can, and if the patient refuses evacuation, I irrigate the wound the best I can, and steri-strip it, unless it's on a cosmetically important area. Suggestions? --Jay Jay Mullen MD Adventure Medicine Consultants Four Winds Adventure Company, Medical Director www.AdventureDocs.com Tucson, AZ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-28.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.28]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03417 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:03:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <009901bebcb4$89ee8d00$1c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:38:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P1A380.CNM thanks Dr Keith Docjon Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-28.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.28]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17085 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:53:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007701bebcaa$ad5d7d00$1c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:28:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01BEBC80.C394D7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 537395584 0 1 P08F70.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BEBC80.C394D7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: DOC To: antonsen@usa.com Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 7:20 AM Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was ointments CHRIS, Actually "medical" super glue (very expensive IMHO) is used = every day in most hospitals around the country...I've been using it for at least 20 yrs and never had a bad result....Doc...I use = the cheaper stuff and sometimes the gel form ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BEBC80.C394D7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iwvisp.com (mail.iwvisp.com [207.141.203.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iwvisp.com ([12.13.22.236]) by mail.iwvisp.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 0143100 ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:41:08 -0800 Message-ID: <376F49E8.C0173AE7@iwvisp.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:31:38 -0700 From: chris antonsen Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was: Kaopectate and Imodium) References: <199906211206.IAA21778@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P363C0.CNM thanks. a reply like this is why we keep reading. kit "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" wrote: > On 20 Jun 99, at 23:19, chris antonsen wrote: > > > Neomycin may be "hated" by dermatologists, but what would they have me > > carry in my already too heavy pack when I go into the back country, > > whether on a rescue or recreationally? Granted, my experience is limited, > > but I have never seen a reaction to neomycin, other that than that the > > wound does not get infected. Especially when dealing with 3rd class or > > above activities, big cuts and large abrasions are not uncommon. > > Reasonable question, but with a simple and easy answer. You're > the victim of a marketing campaign by the Neosporin people! > > Neosporin = neomycin + polymixin + bacitracin > Polysporiin = polymixin + bacitracin > > Polysporin will kill any bacteria you're likely to meet in the woods, > and allergic reactions are unheard of. Or, for that matter, get > generic Bacitracin -- what few studies there are show it works as > well as Neosporin or Polysporin, and it's cheaper! > > Our ED's official wound instructions, as with many others', > recommends bacitracin ointment. > > My personal preference is for a tube of the ophthalmic ointment. It > requires a prescription, and cost a little more (not much), but weighs > about the same as one or two of the generic bacitracin individual > doses in foil (e.g., from Fougera or other generic suppliers) -- but > can easily be resealed. And, ophthalmic ointment can easily be > used on the skin, but not vice versa. (Non-ophthalmic ointments > won't cause blindness or anything else severe, but are a bit irritating > to the eye, due to a different base ointment.) > > Take care. > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP > http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aagaard98.u.washington.edu (mcmullen@aagaard98.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.112]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id PAA19994 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:48:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (mcmullen@localhost) by aagaard98.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id PAA122830 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:48:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Russell McMullen To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Kaopectate and Polysporin In-Reply-To: <00a201bebc0b$f977e940$024122cf@compaq> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P380A0.CNM Re: Polymyxin B sulfate This is the sulfate salt of Polymyxin, is not a "sulfa" drug [the latter are generally sulfonamides], and will not cause an allergic reaction in people who are allergic to "sulfa." Another example: Magesium is given IV quite commonly and is actually magnesium sulfate. MgSO4 would be causing a lot of deaths in sulfa-allergic people if it could precipitate an allergic reaction. Russell McMullen Division of Emergency Medicine University of Washington SOM On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Lana Berrington wrote: > hey folks, > > Thank you all very much for your information on K-peck vs. Imodium. I > think I will send only Imodium on the trip! > > Thanks also for the interesting conversation that we've started on topical > antibiotic ointments. Here at the Rocky Mountain YMCA, we've been using > Polysporin (well actually polytopic.. a no-name alternative). I've been > telling staff NOT to use this stuff on folks who have allergies to > sulfadrugs because I've been put off by the words on the tube "contains > Polymyxin B (as Sulfate)". Is this an accurate thing to be telling > people? Certainly I've know many people who can't take sulfa drugs but who > have no problem with polysporin. > > For those with sulfadrug allergies we've been using either Bactroban or > Betadine ointment - both more expensive alternatives. > > Thanks again for all the input! > > > Lana Berrington > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04267 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecps92@tiac.net) Received: from lizard (p22.tc9.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.77.23]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA18087 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bill Dunn" To: Subject: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01bebc30$5e547d00$LocalHost@lizard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.01.2111 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.01.2111 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4EF10.CNM Try http://www.oep-ndms.dhhs.gov or http://www.ndms-oep.dhhs.gov This is the NDMS Home web site and many of the TEAMS are listed. Bill Dunn Communications Officer SmarTraveler Traffic Tracker-92 Metro Boston DMAT MA-1 Mass EMT-B 831884 -----Original Message----- From: Ralphwolf@aol.com To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 20:53 Subject: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? >Anyone aware of Disaster Med Asst Team in the area? US Pub Health initiatives >usually drive their creation. > >Thanks, > >Mark Rogacki Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-12.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.12]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18508 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:42:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007901bebc2b$7a1ba400$0c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:17:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 1572992 0 1 P2FB00.CNM Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency planning for coming 50,000 hippies invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked to help by the "council" because of last yrs problems in AZ...I got there late and no real problems so I left ..weird Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vop.nucleus.com (vop.nucleus.com [207.34.93.23]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compaq (unverified [207.34.65.2]) by vop.nucleus.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.179) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:32:40 -0600 Message-ID: <00a201bebc0b$f977e940$024122cf@compaq> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: W-EMED Kaopectate and Polysporin Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:32:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P304A0.CNM hey folks, Thank you all very much for your information on K-peck vs. Imodium. I think I will send only Imodium on the trip! Thanks also for the interesting conversation that we've started on topical antibiotic ointments. Here at the Rocky Mountain YMCA, we've been using Polysporin (well actually polytopic.. a no-name alternative). I've been telling staff NOT to use this stuff on folks who have allergies to sulfadrugs because I've been put off by the words on the tube "contains Polymyxin B (as Sulfate)". Is this an accurate thing to be telling people? Certainly I've know many people who can't take sulfa drugs but who have no problem with polysporin. For those with sulfadrug allergies we've been using either Bactroban or Betadine ointment - both more expensive alternatives. Thanks again for all the input! Lana Berrington Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: GaidenMstr@aol.com Received: from GaidenMstr@aol.com (3951) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hFUPa12149 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f81620f.249ffdec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:43:24 EDT Subject: W-EMED Seeking Quest Speaker for a New Joint Special Operation Forces Officer Course To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P3ACF0.CNM To All Concerned Parties: The U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) Surgeon Office is going to be hosting a "Special Medical Officer Orientation Conference" at MacDill AFB (Tampa), FL between 23 Aug and 2 Sep 1999. We are currently looking for a guest speaker to address an overview of Wilderness Medicine. The incumbent has 1 to 2 hours on the 24 Aug to address history, current trends and the future of wilderness medicine. The incumbent must either be a physician, PA or an EMT Paramedic with a vast knowledge and experience base in this subject matter. The USSOCOM Command Surgeon Office will pick up the expenses for travel, per diem, hotel and rental car. Unfortunately, this office cannot pay a speaker fee at this time. If you are interested please email, fax or mail a resume to the following: USSOCOM/ SOCS-SG Attn: TSgt Robert McCumsey 7701 Tampa Point Blvd. MacDill AFB, FL 33621 Commercial telephone: (813) 828-3340 or 5442 DSN: 968-3340 or 5442 Commercial fax: (813) 828-2568 DSN: 968-3340 or 5442 Email: Gaidenmstr@aol.com or mccumsr@socom.mil Candidates have to 8 July 1999 to turn in their resumes and we will select the speaker by 12 July. If you have any further question please feel to call or email me at any time. Thank you for your time and efforts. Robert McCumsey, TSgt, USAF NCOIC, Joint SOF Medical Training Operations Division Joint SOF Liaison to NREMTs US Special Operations Command Surgeon Office Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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The lecturer mentioned that triple-antibiotics contain bacitracin (for gram-positive bacteria), polymixin (for gram-negative bacteria) and Neomycin (also for gram-negative bacteria) and that most people who where allergic to TABs were allergic to the Neomycin component. Where he got this info, I dunno, but he's a med school faculty member so it must be true. [grin] Regards, Jay ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jaymullen@aol.com Received: from Jaymullen@aol.com (7817) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hTMWa10019 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:02:27 EDT Subject: W-EMED The Four Winds Adventure Racing Company Medical Coverage To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 216 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4CC50.CNM Dr. Conover and other recipients of the Wilderness Emergency Medicine list: My sincerest apologies for the recent inappropriate email sent to me (and you) supposedly from "Christina Rivers." Obviously, this is not an appropriate arena to air grievances. I can only believe that it was posted here for no other purpose than slander. To set the record straight, the medical coverage at the most recent Four Winds Adventure Mountain Rage went off without a hitch. We had a health care provider to racer ratio of better than 1 to 5, no racer was seriously injured, and despite what the previous email would have you believe, no racer, spectator or staff required hospitalization. Every person, save one, that has contacted me or Four Winds has been congratulatory, stating that the medical plan for this race has set a new benchmark. Lastly, other than three copies of the email which showed up on this list server, no contact has been made between any racer and myself. I have good reason to believe that this alleged competitor does not exist, and that the author of these emails is not Christina Rivers. We have strong evidence of who the perpetrator is. Obviously, this dirty laundry does not belong on this listserver. Once again, I apologize to the community, and ask "Christina Rivers" to do the same. I will not bring this matter up on this server again. Anyone that would like to discuss this matter further, please reply to me personally at jaymullen@aol.com, and not to the listserver as a whole. Sincerely, -- Jay Mullen MD Adventure Medicine Consultants Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jaywiseman@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EDM9M42J; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:11 EDT To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:56:48 -0700 Subject: W-EMED Good animal CPR web site Message-ID: <19990621.085649.3982.0.JayWiseman@juno.com> References: <003201bebbe2$d5230e40$230cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-7,9,11-16 From: Jay J Wiseman Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 128 0 1 P2C590.CNM Hi folks, Hey, I found a pretty good web site for animal CPR. It includes both basic and advanced measures (can you say AVLS?). Anyway, it's over at http://members.aol.com/henryhbk/ BTW, I got to this web site from http://hometown.aol.com/jfuller428/LIFE.html and it lists a few more sites related to animal care, plus a whole bunch of sites devoted to human-related CPR, EMS, etc. Regards, Jay ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d11ex1.esualameda.uscg.mil ([10.33.32.141]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04871 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by D11EX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:53:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ongemach, Jeff PO" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: RE: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:52:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P63C90.CNM In the Coast Guard, we obviously use the stokes a great deal-as far as spinal immobilization, it is INADEQUATE. However, there are often times when it is all that is available, or usable. An example from the field is the removal of a victim from the water-a spine board would float out as you were securing the patient-both from floatation and from wave action. In that case, we use just the litter and pack materials around the head. Another reason to bypass the use of the board is weight. Even a plastic litter is heavy when you have a long carry-out from a wilderness scene. Add a wood or even plastic board and you may easily add 30 lbs. Or more. On the other hand, the litter has some complications when you get to the ER without a board in it-metal ones or plastic ones with metal frames are no good at x-ray time. You may be forced to remove the victim without clearing the spine first. Without the board, you will have to use a lift, log roll, or draw sheet lift/slide with a liner. You will have to determine the better evil based on the nature of your calls-add weight and have great spinal control, or have a more mobile litter and improvise, adapt and overcome! I also saw a note about the SKED-may be worth checking out! Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BOtto90@aol.com Received: from BOtto90@aol.com (2720) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id iJQIa23907; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards To: John and Lori Green , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P41790.CNM Sked systems work well when used in conjuction with the stokes. We use the short spine board (like a KED board) then put the patient in the stokes and tie them in properly. We've used this method several times in fall victims from rocks. Fortunatly, most of our rescues are only a couple of miles from the had road, but the weight saved by not carrying a loan board is well worth it. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BSremote (firewall.guthrie.org [205.238.253.66]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999052801/PL) with SMTP id JAA28001 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bob Cooney" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:53:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bebbed$6accc300$21035f0a@Guthrie.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <49f97cf.249f43fb@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 128 0 1 P1ADE0.CNM Ed, Have you looked at the "sked" device as an alternative? If you want a stokes on the unit have you considered mounting it on the roof? Bob Cooney BSEMS Council Sayre Pa bobcems@epix.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-35.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.35]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10188 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:02:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003201bebbe2$d5230e40$230cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was ointments Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:37:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P04050.CNM Like DR.Conover,I carry Rx opthalmic polysporin ar small tube of bacitracin because I have seen some allergic reactions to neomycin and it always confused me as to what was going on.I also like to use super glue on small facial lacerations Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-u-71.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.181]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906211206.IAA21778@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was: Kaopectate and Imodium) In-reply-to: <376DD977.EB360FDC@iwvisp.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P62A10.CNM On 20 Jun 99, at 23:19, chris antonsen wrote: > Neomycin may be "hated" by dermatologists, but what would they have me > carry in my already too heavy pack when I go into the back country, > whether on a rescue or recreationally? Granted, my experience is limited, > but I have never seen a reaction to neomycin, other that than that the > wound does not get infected. Especially when dealing with 3rd class or > above activities, big cuts and large abrasions are not uncommon. Reasonable question, but with a simple and easy answer. You're the victim of a marketing campaign by the Neosporin people! Neosporin = neomycin + polymixin + bacitracin Polysporiin = polymixin + bacitracin Polysporin will kill any bacteria you're likely to meet in the woods, and allergic reactions are unheard of. Or, for that matter, get generic Bacitracin -- what few studies there are show it works as well as Neosporin or Polysporin, and it's cheaper! Our ED's official wound instructions, as with many others', recommends bacitracin ointment. My personal preference is for a tube of the ophthalmic ointment. It requires a prescription, and cost a little more (not much), but weighs about the same as one or two of the generic bacitracin individual doses in foil (e.g., from Fougera or other generic suppliers) -- but can easily be resealed. And, ophthalmic ointment can easily be used on the skin, but not vice versa. (Non-ophthalmic ointments won't cause blindness or anything else severe, but are a bit irritating to the eye, due to a different base ointment.) Take care. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.clarityconnect.com (smtp.clarityconnect.com [206.64.143.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clarityconnect.com (206.64.143.5) by smtp.clarityconnect.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.3d2); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:33 -0400 Received: from ndh (207.198.30.239) by clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.3d2); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:55:59 -0400 X-Sender: ndh@pop.lightlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:55:24 -0400 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: nigel dyson-hudson Subject: Re: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? In-Reply-To: <42391604.249ee0fd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <1282159937-56411687@clarityconnect.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4B700.CNM I am nr. Ithaca, NY. I know that the Paramedic Director at Arnot Ogden in Elmira is from the Pittsburg Paramedic program. I know that the Tioga County, PA EMS Director is well known in Disaster Planning Circles. Maybe we can work on getting some people in the area interested. NY Federation of Search & Rescue Teams: Roger Fox, rogerfox@aol.com, nr. Parish, NY. nigel At 08:27 PM 6/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone aware of Disaster Med Asst Team in the area? US Pub Health initiatives >usually drive their creation. > >Thanks, > >Mark Rogacki >Ralphwolf@innocent.com >or >Ralphwolf@aol.com >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > nigel dyson-hudson "mad dogs and Englishmen" and I am both! "Are we having FUN yet!" 10 Slators Ln Newfield, NY 14867-9737 Res 800 or 607-564-7927, FAX 607-564-7993 Work: 607-751-5634, I can also be paged if a real emergency ndh@InternetSmiths.com NYS EMT-B, West Danby Fire & Rescue, Secretary & Training Coordinator: Tompkins County Search & Rescue DEC Wildlands Search and Rescue and Crew Boss training Red Cross Disaster Operations, Shelter Operations. 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