Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:32:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titania.r1-dvrf.kynd.net (frhcg) [208.167.53.188] by montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian)) id 10z9DT-0003kz-00; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:31:11 -0400 Message-ID: <007d01bec298$f16506a0$02000003@frhcg> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED stokes and boards Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 21:36:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4E650.CNM We in the past also have used the oregon spine splint as another laminant layer in this package works well to provide support and layered security. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:06:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:04:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo24.mx.aol.com (imo24.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.68]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:03:24 -0400 (EDT) From: RSSHANDLER@aol.com Received: from RSSHANDLER@aol.com by imo24.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hFDAa19642 (14382) for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <457023fc.24aa2bef@aol.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:02:23 EDT Subject: W-EMED stokes and boards To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 54 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P5CC00.CNM I found your ideas about the vacuum splint/ SKED/ aluminum backboard interesting, as well as the verticle lift concepts. What do you do with a pt. with lower extremity injuries? Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:07:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:06:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macs.mxim.com (macs.mxim.com [204.17.143.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macs.mxim.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA08921 for ; Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:05:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906291605.JAA08921@macs.mxim.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED stokes and boards In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 29 Jun 1999 10:02:23 EDT." <457023fc.24aa2bef@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 29 Jun 1999 09:05:46 PDT From: Hal Lillywhite Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P2A940.CNM RSSHANDLER@aol.com writes: >I found your ideas about the vacuum splint/ SKED/ aluminum >backboard interesting, as well as the verticle lift concepts. >What do you do with a pt. with lower extremity injuries? Splint in the normal manner, often with a vacuum splint, then use a SKED or other litter if injuries are such that the patient cannot walk. In this case you can carry without a full body vacuum splint but such a full body splint makes the patient much more comfortable. One possible disadvantage of the SKED is that as far as I know there is no way to put a wheel on one. However in most conditions the patient will be quite comfortable if you just drag it over the trail as long as you have the full body vacuum splint between him and the plastic. I didn't believe this myself till they put me in one and drug me around a bit, over rocks, curbs etc. Usually a backboard is not necessary for this but on very rough terrain it does provide extra protection from rocks etc. If you are interested in this the best thing is to beg, borrow, or otherwise get your hands on a SKED, full body vacuum splint and suitable backboard. Experiment a bit, using your team members as subjects so they see what it's like. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:45:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:44:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macs.mxim.com (macs.mxim.com [204.17.143.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 18:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macs.mxim.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA01624 for ; Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:43:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199906282243.PAA01624@macs.mxim.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:26:21 CDT." <001f01bebbae$faf7ccc0$5d38b8d1@jgreen> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 28 Jun 1999 15:43:24 PDT From: Hal Lillywhite Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 2621568 0 1 P47FB0.CNM >"John and Lori Green" write: >If you want light-weight c-spine protection - i would recommend the >SKED with th OSS. we use this in a lot of our rescues and in a >cave environment - it is essential. This does work well. There is another option which I like even better though it might not work as well for caves where you sometimes have to turn tight corners. Portland Mountain Rescue is going to a full-body vacuum splint in a SKED. If we are concerned about spinal stability or have to go over an edge we add a backboard. We use a folding aluminum backboard which we have modified by making it narrower so it will fit in the SKED. The backboard goes between the vacuum splint and the SKED, not next to the patient. This makes a *very* comfortable package for the patient since the splint conforms to body shape and provides insulation. (Most of us have had a turn as mock patient since we weren't sure how comfortable it would be.) I have no hesitation recommending this for normal carrying of patients. We are working on how to use the set-up for high angle rock and ice rescues. So far results are very good and have been presented in national MRA meetings. We do need a bit more work on this to iron out the last few kinks. The critical item seems to be attaching the ropes to the SKED in such a manner that it will easily come over an edge. For a horizontal patient it is much like a horizontal basket litter. If a vertical raise can be done you need to be careful and attach the ropes to the SKED about one-third the way down the body. Then you need tag lines to be certain the litter reaches the edge face out. If done properly and with reasonable edge protection, the litter comes up over the edge quite smoothly, much better than fighting a horizontal litter around the obstacles which seem to inhabit every edge where you want to raise or lower a patient. We do the vertical litter without attendent which speeds things up considerably, controlling it with tag lines. We believe that with practice we can dispense with the horizontal litter on all but the longest raises of severely injured patients. The vertical SKED is so much faster than fighting a horizontal one that we believe the speed compensates for the less than ideal patient aspect. The idea is to get the patient to a flat surface where better care can be provided instead of trying to provide that care as patient and attendent are hanging off the ropes. Another advantage is that with a single patient and no attendent we can safely use 11mm ropes and save weight. This also often translates into a time advantage since we save about 25-30% on the rope weight we must carry to the scene. Add to that the fact that the SKED is easier to carry to the scene than a basket litter and I think this is the way to go for nearly all wilderness rescues. The biggest disadvantage is that if you don't do it right, you end up with a patient stuck in a vertical position while you fix the problem. In that sense this is less forgiving than a horizontal raise. This one must be practiced to the point that the team is competent before use on a real patient. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:21:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:20:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:20:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgi.icon.co.za (cgi.icon.co.za [196.26.208.8]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 07:20:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (smtp.icon.co.za [196.26.208.3]) by cgi.icon.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8DD46A7C for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:19:41 +0200 (SAST) Received: from icon.co.za (m8-55-ndf.dial-up.net [196.34.159.247]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26673 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:19:40 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <377364FA.FFC5E853@icon.co.za> Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 13:16:10 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Diaster kits References: X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P67EF0.CNM Hello all, This is a fair comment. I am anaesthetist in private practice in Johannesburg, South Africa. I have had extensive trauma experience in various hospitals over the last 20 something years, but do little trauma now ( for three years ). I have been a sporadic member of the Mountain Club of South Africa rescue team for about 23 years. Arthur MYScher@aol.com wrote: > > If the esteemed correspondents wouldn't mind, I'd like to ask that folks > writing in to this forum identify where they're located, Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Please contact me and I will give you directions and more information. Thanks for your interest, I am looking forward to speaking with you. Vern Miller, NREMT-P Chairman Allegheny Mountain Rescue Group Pittsburgh, Pa. Office (412) 578-3248 Pager (412) 272-3263 millervh@msx.upmc.edu vmiller@nb.net -----Original Message----- From: David Grogan To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Friday, June 25, 1999 5:02 AM Subject: W-EMED No Subject >Where can i join the search and rescue team in western pa i have been trying to >find out when meeting are and where they are at rumor had it the were at mercy >hospital before. if anyone knows please let me know > > >Dave >___________________________________________________________________ >Sent via BigAssWeb - free email service at http://www.bigassweb.com > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:26:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:24:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from out.fetchmail.com (root@brazil.coconut.co.uk [195.153.207.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:24:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fetchmail.com (IDENT:web-fetchmail@out.fetchmail.com [195.153.207.133]) by out.fetchmail.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01712 for ; Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199906250327.EAA01712@out.fetchmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.104 (Entity 4.116) From: David Grogan To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED No Subject Date: Fri, 25 Jun 1999 04:27:20 0100 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P3EE60.CNM Where can i join the search and rescue team in western pa i have been trying to find out when meeting are and where they are at rumor had it the were at mercy hospital before. if anyone knows please let me know Dave ___________________________________________________________________ Sent via BigAssWeb - free email service at http://www.bigassweb.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Sigset: -1 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Netiquette Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 08:11:51 -0400 I would like to remind all list members that adhominem attacks such as this are considered inappropriate for this or any other list, _especially_ when unsupported by any evidence -- and even more so when off-topic for the list. It would be possible to make the list posting and membership policies more restrictive to help prevent inappropriate postings from this and other addreses. However, it is so easy to get a temporary address from a provider such as hotmail.com, join a list and then post, that list restrictions generally cause problems for the honest list members and do little to prevent inappropriate posts. Whenever possible, the listowners will attempt to locate and terminate list abusers -- but often this takes time. However, this does provide an opportunity to post a reminder about netiquette for those who are interested in playing by the rules: The most critical thing to read is the dry but essential RFC 1855, which can be found on the net at: http://marketing.tenagra.com/rfc1855.html Netscape provides its own rules for newsgroups as part of the help file online: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/3.0/news/news2.html#netiquette There are a variety of entertaining and useful Web sites available, including the entire text of a commercially-published book on the subject: http://jade.wabash.edu/wabnet/info/netiquet.htm http://psg.com/emily.html http://members.aol.com/macabrus/faqs.html http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/netiquette.htm http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ The last also includes a test to assess _your_ knowledge of netiquette. Another entertaining suggestion: use any of the metasearch engines on the Web (http://www.profusion.com/ is currently my favorite) and search for "Diary of an AOL User." There are several versions out there, all entertaining yet educational -- and probably the quickest way for someone new to the world of email and newsgroups to get the idea. -- Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP, list co-owner. On 18 Jun 99, at 18:48, christina rivers wrote: > Dear Dr.Mullan, My boyfriend competed in that disaster you ran > called the LAKE MEAD MOUNTAIN RAGE.He was in the hospital for a > week after he received no medical care at the race.You guys/girls > are phoney and luckily we are smart enough to hire a good attorney > here in Calif. and he has made contacts lready in Nev.and Az.We > will be suing you for something he called negligence;just thot > you'd want to know;Christina > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:53:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:51:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:50:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:50:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from one (Me@comp48.tcn.net [209.135.79.48]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id AAA23324 for ; Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906240447.AAA23324@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Jun 1999 00:51:08 -0400 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Photos Needed Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P17110.CNM Hi: I'm working on a project to promote awareness of the fact that many baby car seats are not being properly installed in cars, resulting in thousands of needless deaths and injuries to children. We need some suitable crash photos...dramatic, but not gory. The ideal pic might show the right rear door of a smashed car, with a baby seat dangling from its safety strap, but we'll settle for ANYTHING which will get people's attention. We're hoping that SOMEONE from the list will help us out with this...it's for a very important cause. Thanks, and looking forward to an overwhelming response. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Sigset: 2 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Netiquette Cc: christina rivers Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 22:27:39 -0400 I would like to remind all list members that adhominem attacks such as this are considered inappropriate for this or any other list, _especially_ when unsupported by any evidence -- and even more so when off-topic for the list. It would be possible to make the list posting and subscription policies more restrictive to help prevent inappropriate postings from this and other addreses. However, it is so easy to get a temporary address from a provider such as hotmail.com, subscribe to a list and then post, that list restrictions generally cause problems for the honest subscribers and do little to prevent inappropriate posts. Whenever possible, the listowners will attempt to locate and terminate list abusers -- but often this takes time, and sometimes we simply can't track down an errant poster. However, this does provide an opportunity to post a reminder about netiquette for those who are interested in playing by the rules: Netiquet.TXT, being some pointers to Web resources on netiquette, and a humorous look at it. The most critical thing to read is the dry but essential RFC 1855, which can be found on the net at: http://marketing.tenagra.com/rfc1855.html Netscape provides its own rules for newsgroups as part of the help file online: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/3.0/news/news2.html#netiqu ette There are a variety of entertaining and useful Web sites available, including the entire text of a commercially-published book on the subject: http://jade.wabash.edu/wabnet/info/netiquet.htm http://psg.com/emily.html http://members.aol.com/macabrus/faqs.html http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/netiquette.htm http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ The last also includes a test to assess _your_ knowledge of netiquette. Another entertaining suggestion: use any of the search engines on the Web (http://www.metacrawler.com/ is currently my favorite) and search for "Diary of an AOL User." There are several versions out there, all entertaining yet educational -- and probably the quickest way for someone new to the world of email and newsgroups to get the idea. -- Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP, list co-owner. On 18 Jun 99, at 18:48, christina rivers wrote: > Dear Dr.Mullan, My boyfriend competed in that disaster you ran > called the LAKE MEAD MOUNTAIN RAGE.He was in the hospital for a > week after he received no medical care at the race.You guys/girls > are phoney and luckily we are smart enough to hire a good attorney > here in Calif. and he has made contacts lready in Nev.and Az.We > will be suing you for something he called negligence;just thot > you'd want to know;Christina > -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-ID: X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Header: In-reply-to: <19990619014858.73277.qmail@hotmail.com> X-RS-Sigset: -1 To: christina rivers ,wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu,drbill@4windsadventure.com Subject: netiquette and list policies (was: W-EMED lake mead race) Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 18:50:28 -0400 I would like to remind all subscribers that adhominem attacks such as this are considered inappropriate for this or any other list, _especially_ when unsupported by any evidence -- and even more so when off-topic for the list. It would be possible to make the list posting and subscription policies more restrictive to help prevent inappropriate postings from this and other addreses. However, it is so easy to get a temporary address from a provider such as hotmail.com, subscribe to a list and then post, that list restrictions generally cause problems for the honest subscribers and do little to prevent inappropriate posts. Whenever possible, the listowners will attempt to locate and terminate list abusers -- but often this takes time, and sometimes we simply can't track down an errant poster. However, this does provide an opportunity to post a reminder about netiquette for those who are interested in playing by the rules: Netiquet.TXT, being some pointers to Web resources on netiquette, and a humorous look at it. The most critical thing to read is the dry but essential RFC 1855, which can be found on the net at: http://marketing.tenagra.com/rfc1855.html Netscape provides its own rules for newsgroups as part of the help file online: http://home.netscape.com/eng/mozilla/3.0/news/news2.html#netiqu ette There are a variety of entertaining and useful Web sites available, including the entire text of a commercially-published book on the subject: http://jade.wabash.edu/wabnet/info/netiquet.htm http://psg.com/emily.html http://members.aol.com/macabrus/faqs.html http://www.sandybay.com/pc-web/netiquette.htm http://www.albion.com/netiquette/ The last also includes a test to assess _your_ knowledge of netiquette. Another entertaining suggestion: use any of the search engines on the Web (http://www.metacrawler.com/ is currently my favorite) and search for "Diary of an AOL User." There are several versions out there, all entertaining yet educational -- and probably the quickest way for someone new to the world of email and newsgroups to get the idea. -- Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP, list co-owner. On 18 Jun 99, at 18:48, christina rivers wrote: > Dear Dr.Mullan, > My boyfriend competed in that disaster you ran called > the LAKE MEAD MOUNTAIN RAGE.He was in the hospital for a week after > he received no medical care at the race.You guys/girls are phoney and > luckily we are smart enough to hire a good attorney here in Calif. and he > has made contacts lready in Nev.and Az.We will be suing you for something > he called negligence;just thot you'd want to know;Christina > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 10:22:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:46:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from despina.ts1-dvrf.kynd.net (frhcg) [208.167.52.17] by montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian)) id 10wnLF-0002Cf-00; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:45:30 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01bebd7f$5a3b8920$02000003@frhcg> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:50:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4BCE0.CNM linda We have been using market super glues in the ED on humans for some time for superfiscial lacerations ( not below subcutaneous fatty tissue layer ) Regularly use it on my pets and animals to close wounds utilizing hair twist and gluing method with good result largest wound has been up to 6 cm . anything larger should be close with sutures do to size and more than likly depth. I do avoid closing puncture wounds do to the likely-hood of infection. always cleanse wounds thoroughly no matter what treatment and you will see a decreased infection rate. Ron Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:20:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:19:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 09:19:48 -0400 (EDT) From: cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id IAA28238; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:19:13 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:19:13 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca41-181.ix.netcom.com(209.111.208.181) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma028229; Wed Jun 23 08:19:02 1999 To: MYScher@aol.com To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-Id: <199862461446441@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P5C000.CNM On 06/23/99 08:38:04 you wrote: > >Can someone tell me where to look for a brief history of the use of SuperGlue >in closing lacerations? Here is a reference that is on my caving self rescue web site: http://www.fensende.com/Users/swnymph/refs/glue.html Ms. Frye includes several references in her paper. Hope this helps. Cindy Heazlit cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:15:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:13:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:12:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:12:28 -0400 (EDT) From: MYScher@aol.com Received: from MYScher@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hGLCa29801 (553) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 13:08:30 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Diaster kits To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 68 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P33580.CNM If the esteemed correspondents wouldn't mind, I'd like to ask that folks writing in to this forum identify where they're located, who they work for, and they're rating or the like...aside from the curiosity factor (very much present!), knowing where the info is coming from helps at times to understand it. Many of us work and play in very different contexts, and we need to be discerning sometimes in applying each other's advice (okay, I know you all know that...). I know several things I was taught in the Israeli military are really frowned upon here in the US... blessings, mordechai y. scher worcester, ma emt-b, spencer rescue squad combat medic 09, IDF paramedic student physician's spouse and willing student :-) Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MYScher@aol.com Received: from MYScher@aol.com by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hNWUa23474 (3944) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:38:05 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1ebcab39.24a22f2c@aol.com> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:38:04 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 68 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P0CD10.CNM Can someone tell me where to look for a brief history of the use of SuperGlue in closing lacerations? I first heard about it about 20 years ago, in the Israel Defense Force. Heard it had been thought up by US Special Forces personnel. To my surprise and dismay, my physician wife knows nothing about this, and I wanted to fill her in...along with practical guidelines for use. She says she's not even familiar with the hospital-use analogs...hasn't seen them in the ED nor in the rural clinic where she's doing residency. Thanks, mordechai y. scher worcester, ma emt-b, spencer rescue squad combat medic 09, IDF Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:47:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:46:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:46:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd121.hotmail.com [207.82.252.185]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 08:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 26114 invoked by uid 0); 23 Jun 1999 12:44:37 -0000 Message-ID: <19990623124437.26113.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 206.130.189.81 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:44:36 PDT X-Originating-IP: [206.130.189.81] From: Mike Webster To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 05:44:36 MST Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P2D690.CNM Hi, Last summer I was working in Springerville, Arizona which is right in the middle of Apache National Forest where the Rainbow Coalition had its annual gathering. Apache County is a remote and rural ranching community and there was much apprehension of this hippie invasion. The Rainbow Coalition wasn't so much of a problem but instead the drifters that followed being attracted to the drug, free love, and youthful sub-culture. Still, all and all there were not that many big issues. Some minor drug violations, very little petty theft, some vandalism, runaways, and the environmental impact left on the forest. The Forest Service made arrangements for Rainbow members to clean up before their departure which helped some since keeping a clean water source and sanitary conditions was difficult. All and all though this was a fairly anti-climatic event compared to what the County expected it to be. Local government, law enforcement, EMS, as well as the Forest Service worked together very effectivly to reduce the impact. Some resources that might help you are: Apache County Sheriff's Department, Springerville and Eagar Police Departments, Arizona Dept. of Public Safety, White Mountain Community Hospital,(Springerville) White Mountain Ambulance (Springerville), Springerville Ranger Station and HQ for Apache National Forest (in Springerville as well) and the Springerville and Eagar Town Halls. (Springerville and Eagar are essentially the same town known locally as Round Valley) Sorry I don't have phone numbers handy but someone on that list should be able to give you some useful information. Regards, Mike Webster ----Original Message Follows---- From: "DOC" Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: Subject: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:17:31 -0500 Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency planning for coming 50,000 hippies invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked to help by the "council" because of last yrs problems in AZ...I got there late and no real problems so I left ..weird Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:39:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:38:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo18.mx.aol.com (imo18.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.8]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:38:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Mkeowl@aol.com Received: from Mkeowl@aol.com by imo18.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hKDCa04818 (4452) for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:30:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 Jun 1999 03:29:24 EDT Subject: Re: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P183B0.CNM Any difference from the Super Glues we buy at the hardware store? I have been told that any super glue type is OK to use on dogs? I ahv ealways wondered what the store stuff is compared to the medical stuff... Thanks, Linda in VA Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:33:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:31:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:30:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgi.icon.co.za (cgi.icon.co.za [196.26.208.8]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 11:30:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (smtp.icon.co.za [196.26.208.3]) by cgi.icon.co.za (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F01D46A5F for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:29:49 +0200 (SAST) Received: from icon.co.za (m1-20-ndf.dial-up.net [196.34.156.20]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA28788 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 1999 17:29:48 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <376FD299.CECCA966@icon.co.za> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 20:14:49 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Diaster kits References: X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P6A9F0.CNM Hello all, Steven D. Pirie wrote - very much shortened : > > Ms. Maggiani, > > >I'm trying to put together lists of supplies we need for our hurricane > >shelters here in coastal NC. In the past its been very dis-organized .l > >Last year was my first experience running medical services for a shelter with > >750+ persons for 48 hours. > > Humm... 750 persons for two days eh... That is a tough one, so I asked some > friends and this is what we came up with (slow at work)... ... AJM: This list took a lot more than a slow shift at work to draw up, but I would suggest a few additions. LOTS more duct tape - it can be used for just about everything from dressings to neck collar to holding vehicles together At least three large cylinders of oxygen, and some anaesthetic disposable circle tubing systems, with carbon dioxide absorbers - with a little skill, easily obtainable at your local hospital, the oxygen can go a LOT further. At least two laryngoscope sets - spare cells and light bulbs. Two bag mask resuscitators. If you have only one the valve will tear. A set of Brain Laryngeal Masks - again, skill is obtainable at your hospital. More torches ( flashlights) - Head lights by Petzel are robust and useful. Head torches leave both your hands free to do work. Plaster of Paris rolls - 100mm and 75mm, one box each. Cling Wrap ( plastic film that sticks to itself, used in home kitchens to cover trays of food ) is cheap, and makes good burns dressings, and is haemostatic. Two boxes each of adrenaline ( epinephrine ) and ketamine - both very useful in disaster situations, and cheap. 2% lignocaine for intravenous injection - cardiac dysrhythmias, nerve block, laryngeal/tracheal spray. Compressed nasal tampons - makes packing a broken or bleeding nose easy and not unpleasant. Can be used to stop bleeding in many deep stab wounds. I would leave out as much as possible from the original list - specific items to remove will need local knowledge. How sure are you of relief as soon as the hurricane is over - some of the equipment will not be needed if the stay is 2-3 days only. Arthur Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:04:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:03:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:01:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:01:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-10.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.10]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA01545 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:00:58 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003b01bebcd5$ac0f6aa0$0a0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:35:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P67730.CNM Hi Peter, Can't tell you anything about it except it is happening...there are no leaders,no permits but they've been doing it(gathering)for at least 20 yrs at a spot chosen by some secret council ....July 4th is the high holy day... different state every year ..AZ last year Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:23:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:22:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:22:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:21:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:21:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wdcrobims01.ed.gov (wdcrobims01.ed.gov [165.224.216.147]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:21:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wdcrobims01.ed.gov with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:20:58 -0400 Message-ID: From: "McCabe, Peter" To: "'wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu'" Subject: RE: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:19:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P59870.CNM Can you tell me more about this 50,000 person gathering as it were in the Allegheny National Forest area of Pennsylvania. Are there name and contact points for reps in the Forest Service. Thanks Peter A. McCabe Compliance Reports Project Coordinator, OCR/ED Telephone: (202) 205-9567 FAX: (202) 205-3698 > -----Original Message----- > From: DOC [SMTP:doc@futureone.com] > Sent: Monday, June 21, 1999 5:18 PM > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING > > Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency > planning > for coming 50,000 hippies > invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked > to > help by the "council" because of last yrs problems in AZ...I got there > late > and no real problems so I left ..weird Doc > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:01:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:01:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:01:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 11:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-t-67.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.77]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:36 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906221459.KAA23469@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:59:38 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING In-reply-to: <007901bebc2b$7a1ba400$0c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P15770.CNM On 21 Jun 99, at 16:17, DOC wrote: > Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency > planning for coming 50,000 hippies invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in > next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked to help by the "council" because of > last yrs problems in AZ...I got there late and no real problems so I left > ..weird Doc I'd suggest that the "regular" EMS community is the best place for information on special event planning -- http://www.naemsp.org is the National Association of EMS Physicians, and a good place to start looking. As far as hippies lost in the woods, there aren't a lot of SAR teams right in the Allegheny National Forest area -- indeed, a topic of discussion at meetings of the Pennsylvania SAR Council has been "why isn't there an organized SAR team in the Erie/Allegheny National Forest area?" However, there are many PSARC teams withing a few hours' drive. Information available at: http//www.psarc.org Hope this helps. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:46:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:45:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:44:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:44:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Jaymullen@aol.com Received: from Jaymullen@aol.com by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20.21) id hTADa27391 (325) for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <1c4d26f.24a1244a@aol.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 13:39:22 EDT Subject: W-EMED Laceration closure in the field To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 216 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P70EF0.CNM Does anyone have any experience with, or know research regarding closure of simple lacerations in the field? During the course of multi-day adventure races, racers sometimes get lacerations which should be closed. The problem is that sterility in the field is incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to obtain, yet the racer does not want to leave the race. This is often compounded by the fact that it may take a day or more to reach civilization and a hospital. My practice has been to explain the risks and benefits as well as I can, and if the patient refuses evacuation, I irrigate the wound the best I can, and steri-strip it, unless it's on a cosmetically important area. Suggestions? --Jay Jay Mullen MD Adventure Medicine Consultants Four Winds Adventure Company, Medical Director www.AdventureDocs.com Tucson, AZ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:53:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:53:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:53:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 12:03:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-28.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.28]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA03417 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 09:03:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <009901bebcb4$89ee8d00$1c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 08:38:38 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P1A380.CNM thanks Dr Keith Docjon Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:55:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:54:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 10:53:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-28.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.28]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA17085 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:53:12 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007701bebcaa$ad5d7d00$1c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Fw: W-EMED Re:SUPER GLUE Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 07:28:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0074_01BEBC80.C394D7A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 537395584 0 1 P08F70.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BEBC80.C394D7A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable -----Original Message----- From: DOC To: antonsen@usa.com Date: Tuesday, June 22, 1999 7:20 AM Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was ointments CHRIS, Actually "medical" super glue (very expensive IMHO) is used = every day in most hospitals around the country...I've been using it for at least 20 yrs and never had a bad result....Doc...I use = the cheaper stuff and sometimes the gel form ------=_NextPart_000_0074_01BEBC80.C394D7A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:28:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:28:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:24:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.iwvisp.com (mail.iwvisp.com [207.141.203.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 04:23:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from iwvisp.com ([12.13.22.236]) by mail.iwvisp.com with ESMTP (IPAD 2.5/64) id 0143100 ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 00:41:08 -0800 Message-ID: <376F49E8.C0173AE7@iwvisp.com> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 1999 01:31:38 -0700 From: chris antonsen Organization: none X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; U; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was: Kaopectate and Imodium) References: <199906211206.IAA21778@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P363C0.CNM thanks. a reply like this is why we keep reading. kit "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" wrote: > On 20 Jun 99, at 23:19, chris antonsen wrote: > > > Neomycin may be "hated" by dermatologists, but what would they have me > > carry in my already too heavy pack when I go into the back country, > > whether on a rescue or recreationally? Granted, my experience is limited, > > but I have never seen a reaction to neomycin, other that than that the > > wound does not get infected. Especially when dealing with 3rd class or > > above activities, big cuts and large abrasions are not uncommon. > > Reasonable question, but with a simple and easy answer. You're > the victim of a marketing campaign by the Neosporin people! > > Neosporin = neomycin + polymixin + bacitracin > Polysporiin = polymixin + bacitracin > > Polysporin will kill any bacteria you're likely to meet in the woods, > and allergic reactions are unheard of. Or, for that matter, get > generic Bacitracin -- what few studies there are show it works as > well as Neosporin or Polysporin, and it's cheaper! > > Our ED's official wound instructions, as with many others', > recommends bacitracin ointment. > > My personal preference is for a tube of the ophthalmic ointment. It > requires a prescription, and cost a little more (not much), but weighs > about the same as one or two of the generic bacitracin individual > doses in foil (e.g., from Fougera or other generic suppliers) -- but > can easily be resealed. And, ophthalmic ointment can easily be > used on the skin, but not vice versa. (Non-ophthalmic ointments > won't cause blindness or anything else severe, but are a bit irritating > to the eye, due to a different base ointment.) > > Take care. > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP > http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:50:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:49:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:49:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jason05.u.washington.edu (root@jason05.u.washington.edu [140.142.78.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aagaard98.u.washington.edu (mcmullen@aagaard98.u.washington.edu [140.142.13.112]) by jason05.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id PAA19994 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:48:59 -0700 Received: from localhost (mcmullen@localhost) by aagaard98.u.washington.edu (8.9.3+UW99.02/8.9.3+UW99.01) with ESMTP id PAA122830 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:48:58 -0700 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:48:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Russell McMullen To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Kaopectate and Polysporin In-Reply-To: <00a201bebc0b$f977e940$024122cf@compaq> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P380A0.CNM Re: Polymyxin B sulfate This is the sulfate salt of Polymyxin, is not a "sulfa" drug [the latter are generally sulfonamides], and will not cause an allergic reaction in people who are allergic to "sulfa." Another example: Magesium is given IV quite commonly and is actually magnesium sulfate. MgSO4 would be causing a lot of deaths in sulfa-allergic people if it could precipitate an allergic reaction. Russell McMullen Division of Emergency Medicine University of Washington SOM On Mon, 21 Jun 1999, Lana Berrington wrote: > hey folks, > > Thank you all very much for your information on K-peck vs. Imodium. I > think I will send only Imodium on the trip! > > Thanks also for the interesting conversation that we've started on topical > antibiotic ointments. Here at the Rocky Mountain YMCA, we've been using > Polysporin (well actually polytopic.. a no-name alternative). I've been > telling staff NOT to use this stuff on folks who have allergies to > sulfadrugs because I've been put off by the words on the tube "contains > Polymyxin B (as Sulfate)". Is this an accurate thing to be telling > people? Certainly I've know many people who can't take sulfa drugs but who > have no problem with polysporin. > > For those with sulfadrug allergies we've been using either Bactroban or > Betadine ointment - both more expensive alternatives. > > Thanks again for all the input! > > > Lana Berrington > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:04:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail-out-1.tiac.net (mail-out-1.tiac.net [199.0.65.12]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA04267 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:03:25 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from ecps92@tiac.net) Received: from lizard (p22.tc9.metro.MA.tiac.com [209.61.77.23]) by mail-out-1.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA18087 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 18:05:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bill Dunn" To: Subject: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 17:52:33 -0400 Message-ID: <01bebc30$5e547d00$LocalHost@lizard> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.01.2111 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.01.2111 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4EF10.CNM Try http://www.oep-ndms.dhhs.gov or http://www.ndms-oep.dhhs.gov This is the NDMS Home web site and many of the TEAMS are listed. Bill Dunn Communications Officer SmarTraveler Traffic Tracker-92 Metro Boston DMAT MA-1 Mass EMT-B 831884 -----Original Message----- From: Ralphwolf@aol.com To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sunday, June 20, 1999 20:53 Subject: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? >Anyone aware of Disaster Med Asst Team in the area? US Pub Health initiatives >usually drive their creation. > >Thanks, > >Mark Rogacki Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:45:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:45:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:45:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 19:42:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-12.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.12]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA18508 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:42:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <007901bebc2b$7a1ba400$0c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: W-EMED Re:RAINBOW NATL GATHERING Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:17:31 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 1572992 0 1 P2FB00.CNM Just curious if this PA -based listserver has any info on emergency planning for coming 50,000 hippies invading the ALLEGHENY NAT.FOREST in next 2 weeks!!!!I I've been asked to help by the "council" because of last yrs problems in AZ...I got there late and no real problems so I left ..weird Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:34:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:33:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:32:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from vop.nucleus.com (vop.nucleus.com [207.34.93.23]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 13:32:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from compaq (unverified [207.34.65.2]) by vop.nucleus.com (Vircom SMTPRS 4.0.179) with SMTP id for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:32:40 -0600 Message-ID: <00a201bebc0b$f977e940$024122cf@compaq> From: "Lana Berrington" To: Subject: W-EMED Kaopectate and Polysporin Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:32:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P304A0.CNM hey folks, Thank you all very much for your information on K-peck vs. Imodium. I think I will send only Imodium on the trip! Thanks also for the interesting conversation that we've started on topical antibiotic ointments. Here at the Rocky Mountain YMCA, we've been using Polysporin (well actually polytopic.. a no-name alternative). I've been telling staff NOT to use this stuff on folks who have allergies to sulfadrugs because I've been put off by the words on the tube "contains Polymyxin B (as Sulfate)". Is this an accurate thing to be telling people? Certainly I've know many people who can't take sulfa drugs but who have no problem with polysporin. For those with sulfadrug allergies we've been using either Bactroban or Betadine ointment - both more expensive alternatives. Thanks again for all the input! Lana Berrington Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:46:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:45:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:44:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT) From: GaidenMstr@aol.com Received: from GaidenMstr@aol.com (3951) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hFUPa12149 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <5f81620f.249ffdec@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:43:24 EDT Subject: W-EMED Seeking Quest Speaker for a New Joint Special Operation Forces Officer Course To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P3ACF0.CNM To All Concerned Parties: The U.S. Special Operations Command (USSOCOM) Surgeon Office is going to be hosting a "Special Medical Officer Orientation Conference" at MacDill AFB (Tampa), FL between 23 Aug and 2 Sep 1999. We are currently looking for a guest speaker to address an overview of Wilderness Medicine. The incumbent has 1 to 2 hours on the 24 Aug to address history, current trends and the future of wilderness medicine. The incumbent must either be a physician, PA or an EMT Paramedic with a vast knowledge and experience base in this subject matter. The USSOCOM Command Surgeon Office will pick up the expenses for travel, per diem, hotel and rental car. Unfortunately, this office cannot pay a speaker fee at this time. If you are interested please email, fax or mail a resume to the following: USSOCOM/ SOCS-SG Attn: TSgt Robert McCumsey 7701 Tampa Point Blvd. MacDill AFB, FL 33621 Commercial telephone: (813) 828-3340 or 5442 DSN: 968-3340 or 5442 Commercial fax: (813) 828-2568 DSN: 968-3340 or 5442 Email: Gaidenmstr@aol.com or mccumsr@socom.mil Candidates have to 8 July 1999 to turn in their resumes and we will select the speaker by 12 July. If you have any further question please feel to call or email me at any time. Thank you for your time and efforts. Robert McCumsey, TSgt, USAF NCOIC, Joint SOF Medical Training Operations Division Joint SOF Liaison to NREMTs US Special Operations Command Surgeon Office Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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The lecturer mentioned that triple-antibiotics contain bacitracin (for gram-positive bacteria), polymixin (for gram-negative bacteria) and Neomycin (also for gram-negative bacteria) and that most people who where allergic to TABs were allergic to the Neomycin component. Where he got this info, I dunno, but he's a med school faculty member so it must be true. [grin] Regards, Jay ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:08:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:08:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:08:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:06:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:05:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo12.mx.aol.com (imo12.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:05:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jaymullen@aol.com Received: from Jaymullen@aol.com (7817) by imo12.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hTMWa10019 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:02:28 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 16:02:27 EDT Subject: W-EMED The Four Winds Adventure Racing Company Medical Coverage To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 216 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4CC50.CNM Dr. Conover and other recipients of the Wilderness Emergency Medicine list: My sincerest apologies for the recent inappropriate email sent to me (and you) supposedly from "Christina Rivers." Obviously, this is not an appropriate arena to air grievances. I can only believe that it was posted here for no other purpose than slander. To set the record straight, the medical coverage at the most recent Four Winds Adventure Mountain Rage went off without a hitch. We had a health care provider to racer ratio of better than 1 to 5, no racer was seriously injured, and despite what the previous email would have you believe, no racer, spectator or staff required hospitalization. Every person, save one, that has contacted me or Four Winds has been congratulatory, stating that the medical plan for this race has set a new benchmark. Lastly, other than three copies of the email which showed up on this list server, no contact has been made between any racer and myself. I have good reason to believe that this alleged competitor does not exist, and that the author of these emails is not Christina Rivers. We have strong evidence of who the perpetrator is. Obviously, this dirty laundry does not belong on this listserver. Once again, I apologize to the community, and ask "Christina Rivers" to do the same. I will not bring this matter up on this server again. Anyone that would like to discuss this matter further, please reply to me personally at jaymullen@aol.com, and not to the listserver as a whole. Sincerely, -- Jay Mullen MD Adventure Medicine Consultants Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:58:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:57:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jaywiseman@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EDM9M42J; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:11 EDT To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:56:48 -0700 Subject: W-EMED Good animal CPR web site Message-ID: <19990621.085649.3982.0.JayWiseman@juno.com> References: <003201bebbe2$d5230e40$230cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,4-7,9,11-16 From: Jay J Wiseman Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 128 0 1 P2C590.CNM Hi folks, Hey, I found a pretty good web site for animal CPR. It includes both basic and advanced measures (can you say AVLS?). Anyway, it's over at http://members.aol.com/henryhbk/ BTW, I got to this web site from http://hometown.aol.com/jfuller428/LIFE.html and it lists a few more sites related to animal care, plus a whole bunch of sites devoted to human-related CPR, EMS, etc. Regards, Jay ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:57:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:56:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:54:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:54:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:54:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from d11ex1.esualameda.uscg.mil ([10.33.32.141]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA04871 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:15:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: by D11EX1 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) id ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:53:38 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Ongemach, Jeff PO" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: RE: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:52:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1460.8) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P63C90.CNM In the Coast Guard, we obviously use the stokes a great deal-as far as spinal immobilization, it is INADEQUATE. However, there are often times when it is all that is available, or usable. An example from the field is the removal of a victim from the water-a spine board would float out as you were securing the patient-both from floatation and from wave action. In that case, we use just the litter and pack materials around the head. Another reason to bypass the use of the board is weight. Even a plastic litter is heavy when you have a long carry-out from a wilderness scene. Add a wood or even plastic board and you may easily add 30 lbs. Or more. On the other hand, the litter has some complications when you get to the ER without a board in it-metal ones or plastic ones with metal frames are no good at x-ray time. You may be forced to remove the victim without clearing the spine first. Without the board, you will have to use a lift, log roll, or draw sheet lift/slide with a liner. You will have to determine the better evil based on the nature of your calls-add weight and have great spinal control, or have a more mobile litter and improvise, adapt and overcome! I also saw a note about the SKED-may be worth checking out! Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:43:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:43:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo14.mx.aol.com (imo14.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.4]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:43:22 -0400 (EDT) From: BOtto90@aol.com Received: from BOtto90@aol.com (2720) by imo14.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id iJQIa23907; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:23:06 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 15:23:07 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards To: John and Lori Green , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P41790.CNM Sked systems work well when used in conjuction with the stokes. We use the short spine board (like a KED board) then put the patient in the stokes and tie them in properly. We've used this method several times in fall victims from rocks. Fortunatly, most of our rescues are only a couple of miles from the had road, but the weight saved by not carrying a loan board is well worth it. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 10:03:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:56:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:56:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:54:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:54:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lima.epix.net (lima.epix.net [199.224.64.56]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:53:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from BSremote (firewall.guthrie.org [205.238.253.66]) by lima.epix.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/1999052801/PL) with SMTP id JAA28001 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:53:31 -0400 (EDT) From: "Bob Cooney" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 09:53:18 -0400 Message-ID: <000401bebbed$6accc300$21035f0a@Guthrie.net> X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 In-Reply-To: <49f97cf.249f43fb@aol.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 128 0 1 P1ADE0.CNM Ed, Have you looked at the "sked" device as an alternative? If you want a stokes on the unit have you considered mounting it on the roof? Bob Cooney BSEMS Council Sayre Pa bobcems@epix.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:05:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:04:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:02:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-35.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.35]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA10188 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:02:39 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <003201bebbe2$d5230e40$230cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was ointments Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:37:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P04050.CNM Like DR.Conover,I carry Rx opthalmic polysporin ar small tube of bacitracin because I have seen some allergic reactions to neomycin and it always confused me as to what was going on.I also like to use super glue on small facial lacerations Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-u-71.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.181]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:17 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906211206.IAA21778@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 08:06:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: was: Kaopectate and Imodium) In-reply-to: <376DD977.EB360FDC@iwvisp.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P62A10.CNM On 20 Jun 99, at 23:19, chris antonsen wrote: > Neomycin may be "hated" by dermatologists, but what would they have me > carry in my already too heavy pack when I go into the back country, > whether on a rescue or recreationally? Granted, my experience is limited, > but I have never seen a reaction to neomycin, other that than that the > wound does not get infected. Especially when dealing with 3rd class or > above activities, big cuts and large abrasions are not uncommon. Reasonable question, but with a simple and easy answer. You're the victim of a marketing campaign by the Neosporin people! Neosporin = neomycin + polymixin + bacitracin Polysporiin = polymixin + bacitracin Polysporin will kill any bacteria you're likely to meet in the woods, and allergic reactions are unheard of. Or, for that matter, get generic Bacitracin -- what few studies there are show it works as well as Neosporin or Polysporin, and it's cheaper! Our ED's official wound instructions, as with many others', recommends bacitracin ointment. My personal preference is for a tube of the ophthalmic ointment. It requires a prescription, and cost a little more (not much), but weighs about the same as one or two of the generic bacitracin individual doses in foil (e.g., from Fougera or other generic suppliers) -- but can easily be resealed. And, ophthalmic ointment can easily be used on the skin, but not vice versa. (Non-ophthalmic ointments won't cause blindness or anything else severe, but are a bit irritating to the eye, due to a different base ointment.) Take care. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:04:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:03:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:03:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.clarityconnect.com (smtp.clarityconnect.com [206.64.143.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clarityconnect.com (206.64.143.5) by smtp.clarityconnect.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.3d2); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:02:33 -0400 Received: from ndh (207.198.30.239) by clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.3d2); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:55:59 -0400 X-Sender: ndh@pop.lightlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:55:24 -0400 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: nigel dyson-hudson Subject: Re: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? In-Reply-To: <42391604.249ee0fd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <1282159937-56411687@clarityconnect.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4B700.CNM I am nr. Ithaca, NY. I know that the Paramedic Director at Arnot Ogden in Elmira is from the Pittsburg Paramedic program. I know that the Tioga County, PA EMS Director is well known in Disaster Planning Circles. Maybe we can work on getting some people in the area interested. NY Federation of Search & Rescue Teams: Roger Fox, rogerfox@aol.com, nr. Parish, NY. nigel At 08:27 PM 6/20/99 -0400, you wrote: >Anyone aware of Disaster Med Asst Team in the area? US Pub Health initiatives >usually drive their creation. > >Thanks, > >Mark Rogacki >Ralphwolf@innocent.com >or >Ralphwolf@aol.com >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > nigel dyson-hudson "mad dogs and Englishmen" and I am both! "Are we having FUN yet!" 10 Slators Ln Newfield, NY 14867-9737 Res 800 or 607-564-7927, FAX 607-564-7993 Work: 607-751-5634, I can also be paged if a real emergency ndh@InternetSmiths.com NYS EMT-B, West Danby Fire & Rescue, Secretary & Training Coordinator: Tompkins County Search & Rescue DEC Wildlands Search and Rescue and Crew Boss training Red Cross Disaster Operations, Shelter Operations. NY State Fire Courses: Rescue Operations, Wildland Firefighting, Fire Police National Speleological Society: 21042; National Cave Rescue Comission Basic Rescue Operations Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:10:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:09:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:08:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:07:46 -0400 (EDT) From: JHowel@aol.com Received: from JHowel@aol.com (3954) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hTRFa09518 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:07:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 07:07:10 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P5E470.CNM You might wish to check out http://mediccom.org as there are a number of links to DMATs as well as a link to the USPHS. You will also find mailing lists of interest. Good luck. Jeff Howell EMT, W9SAR, et al NDMS DMAT IN-4 http://mediccom.org/public/~smart/index.html Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:38:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:37:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:36:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:36:51 -0400 (EDT) From: BjmPAc@aol.com Received: from BjmPAc@aol.com (7996) by imo23.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hLZTa08612 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:36:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 06:36:04 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Neosporin To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P2E4B0.CNM Dermatologist seem to prefer polysporin. I recently had a lesion removed from my neck and the Derm was insistent that I use Polysporin, specifically telling me NOT to put Neosporin on the sutures/incision. Barbara J. Maggiani, PA-C North Carolina Physician Assistant Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 22:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:31:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 22 Jun 1999 16:31:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:18:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from selectrec.net ([216.60.239.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:18:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jgreen (209.184.56.93) by selectrec.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:18:19 -0500 Message-ID: <001f01bebbae$faf7ccc0$5d38b8d1@jgreen> From: "John and Lori Green" To: References: <49f97cf.249f43fb@aol.com> Subject: Re: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:26:21 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P480A0.CNM If you want light-weight c-spine protection - i would recommend the SKED with th OSS. we use this in a lot of our rescues and in a cave environment - it is essential. John Green NCRC - South Central Regional Coordinator Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:17:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:15:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:14:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from selectrec.net ([216.60.239.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 12:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jgreen (209.184.56.93) by selectrec.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Mon, 21 Jun 1999 11:14:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000601bebbae$7d1e6480$5d38b8d1@jgreen> From: "John and Lori Green" To: References: Subject: Re: W-EMED Neosporin Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 01:22:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P659B0.CNM doesn't the polysporin make a polymer "shell" instead of relying on a petroleum-based "shell" john Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:54:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:52:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:51:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pop.idsi.net (root@pop.idsi.net [208.195.228.22]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:51:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from natarajan (05-ta02pk.idsi.net [205.232.27.51]) by pop.idsi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id AAA11992 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:51:54 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990621005024.007ca3b0@pop.idsi.net> X-Sender: natarajan@pop.idsi.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 00:50:24 -0400 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Nitin Natarajan Subject: Re: W-EMED DMAT in Buffalo, NY/Erie Co. area? In-Reply-To: <42391604.249ee0fd@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P20BF0.CNM At 20:27 20-06-99 EDT, you wrote: >Anyone aware of Disaster Med Asst Team in the area? US Pub Health initiatives >usually drive their creation. > >Thanks, > >Mark Rogacki >Ralphwolf@innocent.com >or >Ralphwolf@aol.com The only two DMAT's in New York that I am aware of are located in Rockland County and Westchester County. Both located near New York City. I believe that the Rockland County Team (NY-1) is inactive. Nitin Natarajan, EMT-P DMAT NY-2 Westchester County Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:32:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:31:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:31:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:30:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo20.mx.aol.com (imo20.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:30:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bighoss19@aol.com Received: from Bighoss19@aol.com (14403) by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hHYMa07956 for ; Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:30:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <49f97cf.249f43fb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 21 Jun 1999 03:30:03 EDT Subject: W-EMED new subject - stokes & boards To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P16110.CNM Wanted: opinions on use of backboard with stokes (plastic) basket, is it needed or do YOU think that the stokes provides enough c-spine support. Presently I have a board with our package, but is this worth the weight? Also we are looking at buying a new 4X4 Ambulance (BLS) & I would like to get our stokes on board -- any ideas how. (we are very limited for garage space -- likely going to a Super duty chassis with short box). Most of our carries are short distance (under 2-3 miles) plus few & far between maybe one or two a year. Ed Harvey FF/EMT - New Marlborough Fire & Rescue (MA) http://www.fire-ems.net/firedept/view/SouthfiledMA/ WEMT via Solo http://members.xoom.com/nightowl0400/ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:22:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:21:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:21:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:21:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:20:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-e2-11.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.21.41]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906210220.WAA08767@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 22:19:29 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Neosporin (was: Kaopectate and Imodium) In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P7C600.CNM On 20 Jun 99, at 17:40, Steven D. Pirie wrote: > I have never seen a "true" allergic reaction to Neomycin. On a few > occasions I have seen some redness where I used it (without pruritus, > dermatitis or scaling), but little more then that. I ask patients if they > are allergic to Neosporin or Sulpha antibiotics before I slap it on the > wound, if so I don't use it. I personally find Neomycin to be hand in the > field. I've seen four or five severe allergic reactions to Neomycin -- more often in the ear and eye than on the skin, but it happens. Dermatologists hate the stuff! --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:40:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:39:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:39:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:39:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms01-431.ott.istar.ca ([137.186.209.177] helo=[137.186.208.234]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10vpJV-0002EA-00 for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:39:42 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:40:21 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: pirie@istar.ca (Steven D. Pirie) Subject: W-EMED Kaopectate and Imodium Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 1572992 0 1 P4F6C0.CNM "Doc" and other interested readers, >Steven..What other "reactions" are you talking about except non'absorption >of the antibiotic (decreased is more correct) No.. that is what I was referring to. A decreased absorption clearly exists. If I am co-treating a patient with Abx then I would rather the medication not get mal-absorbed. You can get around this by waiting 3 hours after taking the Abx to take the K-Pek... Overall I just prefer Imodium over K-Pek >you also shouldn't give milk/dairy products with tetracyclines and other >>antibiotics. You are correct that tetracyclines should not be taken with dairy products. Many other ABx can be taken with milk products. The K-Pek does not interact with the Abx because of this milk factor however. >I also am not fond of Neosporin ointment as lots of people are contact >allergic >to the Neomycin. I have never seen a "true" allergic reaction to Neomycin. On a few occasions I have seen some redness where I used it (without pruritus, dermatitis or scaling), but little more then that. I ask patients if they are allergic to Neosporin or Sulpha antibiotics before I slap it on the wound, if so I don't use it. I personally find Neomycin to be hand in the field. Have a good day.. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------- Lt. Steven D. Pirie, RN, BScN, UE General Duty Ward Officer - Day Surgery Unit Canadian Forces Support Unit Ottawa - Health Care Centre 2 Health Support Operational Training Unit ---------------------------------------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:20:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:19:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:18:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:18:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:18:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms01-234.ott.istar.ca ([137.186.208.234]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10voyg-0006yo-00 for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:18:12 -0400 X-Sender: pirie@istar.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 20 Jun 1999 17:18:51 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: pirie@istar.ca (Steven D. Pirie) Subject: W-EMED Diaster kits Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P48560.CNM Ms. Maggiani, >I'm trying to put together lists of supplies we need for our hurricane >shelters here in coastal NC. In the past its been very dis-organized .l >Last year was my first experience running medical services for a shelter with >750+ persons for 48 hours. Humm... 750 persons for two days eh... That is a tough one, so I asked some friends and this is what we came up with (slow at work)... no promise that it is complete, only our idea. We were not sure if you have a supporting ER or not... so we packed some trauma / MCI stuff too. We have not done much Peds out in these parts in the last little while so I left out the Peds equipment... If anyone wants to add to it, all's that I ask is that you send me the additions so I can add them to my list. The amounts are based on the unit of issue. i.e. how many in a box. We ran down to Pharmacy Warehouse and went "pretend shopping". Cannot help you with the $$, best of luck. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------- Lt. Steven D. Pirie, RN, BScN, UE General Duty Ward Officer - Day Surgery Unit Canadian Forces Support Unit Ottawa - Health Care Centre 2 Health Support Operational Training Unit ---------------------------------------------------------- Diagnostic Aids ---------------- Binocular Magnifier x 1 Flashlights (disposable) x 2 Fluorescein Na Ophthalmic Strips x 10 Mirror on headband x 1 Otoscope / Ophthalmoscope (battery) x 1 Otoscope Covers - 2.5 mm (disposable) x 1000 Otoscope Covers - 4 mm (disposable) x 1000 Reflex Hammer x 1 Sphygmomanometer (aneroid) x 2 Stethoscope x 2 Thermometer (glass) x 8 Tongue Depressors x 200 Splinting --------- Cervical Support - No Neck x 2 Cervical Support - Short x 2 Cervical Support - Regular x 2 Finger splint x 3 Hand splint x 2 Wood splint - 1' x 5 SAM splint x 30 Dressing Supplies ------------------ Abdominal Pad - Large x 2 rolls Ace Bandage - 2.5" x 9 Ace Bandage - 3" x 3 Ace Bandage - 5" x 3 Adhesive Bandage x 100 Adhesive Strip Bandage - 1.5" x 3 boxes Adhesive Strip Bandage - 3" x 5 boxes Burn Dressing - Small x 10 Burn Dressing - Medium x 20 Duct Tape x 1 roll Elastic Tubular Netting #2 x 1 roll Elastic Tubular Netting #4 x 1 roll Elastic Tubular Netting #6 x 1 roll Eye pad (cotton) x 25 Elastic Adhesive Stretch Bandage - 2" x 6 Gauze Non Sterile Roll - 1" x 24 Gauze Non Sterile Roll - 2" x 20 Gauze Non Sterile Roll - 5" x 6 Gauze Packing Sterile - 1 cm x 2 btl Gauze Pad - Non Sterile - 4x4" x 300 Gauze Pad - Sterile - 2x2" x 50 Gauze Pad - Sterile - 4x4" x 200 Gauze Sterile Roll - 2" x 20 Gauze Tubular - 0.5" x 1 roll Gauze Tubular - 1" x 1 roll Non-adherent Sterile Pad - Small x 50 Pressure Dressing - 4" x 10 Pressure Dressing - Large x 150 Savlon Impregnated Dressing x 2 boxes Second Skin x 1 jar Steri-strips - 3.2 mm x 1 box Steri-strips - 6.3 mm x 1 box Steri-strips - 12.7 mm x 1 box Stockinet 7.6 cm x roll Stockinet 10 cm x 1 roll Stockinet 15 cm x 1 roll Surgical Adhesive Tape - Water Proof - 1" x 12 rolls Surgical Adhesive Tape - Water Proof - 2" x 2 rolls Surgical Drape x 10 Triangular Bandage (with pins) x 20 Tubular Gauze Applicator #1 x 1 Tubular Gauze Applicator #2 x 1 Airway ------- Cricothyrotomy Kit x 1 Bag Valve Mask x 1 ETT 6 mm x 1 ETT 7 mm x 3 ETT 8 mm x 3 ETT 9 mm x 1 Laryngoscope Blade - Macintosh #3 x 1 Laryngoscope Handle (Heline) x 1 Gag, Ratch & Pawl) x 1 Oral Pharyngeal Airway #4 x 1 Oral Pharyngeal Airway #5 x 1 Mask Mouth to Mouth with Valve x 2 McGill Forceps x 1 Naso Pharyngeal Airway 28 Fr x 1 Oxygen Tank complete with masks, etc x 1 Stylet x 1 Valve for Mouth to Mouth Mask x 10 Instruments ----------- Bandage Scissors x 1 Ear Forceps x 1 Ear Curette #1 x 1 Eye Forceps (utility) x 1 Eye Lid Retractor x 1 Eye Spud x 1 Finger Ring Saw x 1 Gauze Pad Holding Forceps Curved x 2 Haemostatic Forceps - Crile x 2 Haemostatic Forceps - Hartman x 2 Haemostatic Forceps - Rochester-Pean x 2 Instrument Tray with Cover x 2 Iris Scissors - Straight x 2 Laryngeal Mirror #5 x 1 Nasal Dressing Forceps x 1 Nasal Elevator x 1 Nasal Speculum x 1 Needle Holder - Crile Murray x 2 Needle Holder - DeBakey x 2 Plaster Cast Saw x 1 Plaster Cast Spreader x 1 Probe, General x 2 Probe, Lachrymal (set of 4) x1 Solution Cup, 170 mL x 2 Splinter Forceps x 5 Surgical Blade # 10 x 25 Surgical Blade # 11 x 10 Surgical Blade # 15 x 25 Surgical Knife #3 x 2 Surgical Scissors - General x 2 Surgical Scissors - Mayo x 2 Surgical Sponge Bowl x 1 Suture Absorbable 3-0 x 36 Suture Absorbable 4-0 x 36 Suture Nonabsorbent Silk 3-0 x 36 Suture Nonabsorbent Nylon 3-0 x 12 Suture Nonabsorbent Nylon 4-0 x 200 Suture Nonabsorbent Nylon 5-0 x 100 Suture Nonabsorbent Nylon 6-0 x 36 Tissue Forceps - Adson x 5 Trauma Scissors x 3 Towel Forceps x 4 Vaginal Speculum 1.9 x 7.6 cm x 1 Vaginal Speculum 3.2 x 10.2 cm x 1 Other ------ Adaptor - Syringe to tubing x 1 Adhesive Tape Removal Wipes x 50 Aerochamber x 1 Betadine Wipes x 100 Blue Protective Bed Pad (Disposable) x 50 Chest Tube, 32 Fr x 16 Chest Tube Heimlich Valve x 16 Chest Tube Trocar, 20 Fr x 1 Cold Pack x 20 Cotton Tipped Applicator x 50 Disposable Razor x 10 Drinking Cup x 4 Duodenal Tube, 18 Fr x 4 Foley Catheter, 14 Fr x 10 Foley Catheter, 16 Fr x 20 EKG / Difib Pack (Lifepack) x 1 EKG Electrodes x 30 EKG Paper x 2 rolls Isopropyl Alcohol Wipes 70% x 100 Gloves None Sterile x 200 Gloves Sterile - size 7 x 5 Gloves Sterile - size 8 x 10 Gloves Sterile - size 9 x 5 Gynaecological Applicator / swabs x 50 Medicine Cup x 20 Needle Disposal Container (small) x 3 Pharmacy Pill Counting Tray x 1 Pregnancy Test Kit x 10 Safety Pins #3 x 10 Snake bite kit x 2 Stomach Tube x 1 Surgical Mask x 1 box Surgical Tubing for connection to underwater seal x 1 roll Surgical Pen x 5 Surgical Scrub Brush x 1 Surgical Scrub Brush with Iodophor x 10 Urine Collection Bag x 16 Urine Specimen Cup x 12 Urine Test Strips x 1 btl Medications ------------ * Oral * --------- Acyclovir, 200 mg x 100 ASA, 325 mg x 100 Ativan, 1 mg x 100 Amoxicillin, 500 mg x 300 Bisacodyl, 5 mg x 25 Bismuth Subsalicylate and Calcium Carbonate x 100 Captopril, 25 mg x 100 Cephalexin, 500 mg c 100 Cetirizine HCl, 10 mg x 100 Charcoal (activated) suspension with Sorbitol x 2 btl Ciprofloxacin, 500 mg x 100 Cloxacillin Na, 500 mg x 500 Dextromethorphan HBr, 30 mg x 60 Diclofenac Na SR, 100 mg x 100 Dicyclomine HCl, 10 mg x 50 Dimenhydrinate, 50 mg x 50 Diphenhydrinate, 50 mg x 100 Diovol Plus (antacid / antiflatulent) x 500 Docusate Na x 100 Doxycycline Hyclate, 100 mg x 200 Erythromycin Stearate, 250 mg x 100 Hydroxyzine HCl, 25 mg x 100 Ibuprofen, 400 mg x 500 Indomethacin, 25 mg x 100 Ipecac syrup 7% (15 mL btl) x 2 Lidocaine Viscous 2% x 100 mL btl Loperamide HCl, 2mg x 100 Oral Rehydration Solution powder (electrolytes and dextrose) x 10 L worth Ortho 1/35 Birth Control Pills x 1 Ovral Birth Control Pills x 1 Nifedipine, 10 mg x 10 Nystatin Oral suspension x 2 btl Orphenadrine Citrate, 100 mg x 100 Penicillin G K 500,000 units x 200 Prednisone, 5mg x 500 Psudoephedrine HCl, 60 mg x 200 Ranitidine, 150 mg x 60 Terfenadine, 60 mg x 200 Tetracycline HCl, 250 mg x 100 TMP/SMX DS x 200 Triphasil Brith Control Pills x 1 Triprolidine and psudoephedrine HCl x 100 Tylenol, 325 mg x 200 Tylenol with Codeine 325/8 mg x 100 Tylenol with Codeine 325/30 mg x 200 * Injection * ------------- Atropine Sulphate (preloaded) x 2 Benztropine 1 mg/mL (2 mL amp) x 6 Bretylium Tosylate, 50mg/mL (10 mL amp) x 2 Cefotetan Disodium (1 g vial) x 5 Cefotetan Disodium (250 mg vial) x 10 Clocacillin Na (500 mg vial) x 20 Chlorpromazine HCl, 25mg/mL (2 mL amp) 2 Demerol, 100 mg / mL (1 mL amp) x 5 Dexamethasone Sodium Phosphate, 4 mg/mL (5 mL vial) x 1 Dextrose 50 mg (Prefilled) x 2 Dopamine HCl 40 mg/mL (5 mL amp) x 2 Diazepam, 5 mg/mL (2 mL amp) x 5 Digoxin 0.25 mg/mL (2 mL amp) x 2 Dimenhydrinate, 50 mg/mL (5 mL vial) x 1 Diphenhydrinate, 50 mg/mL (10 mL vial) x 1 Epinephrine, 1 mg/mL 1:1000 (1 mL amp) x 2 Erythromycin Lactobionate (500 mg vial) x 20 Furosemide, 10 mg/mL (2 mL amp) x 4 Hydrocortisone Na Succinate (500 mg vial) x 10 Haldol, 5 mg/mL x 10 Isoproterenol HCl 1:5000, 1mg / 5mL x 2 Ketamine HCl 50 mg/mL (10 mL vial) x 2 Lidocaine HCl 2% with Epinephrine (20 mL vial) x 5 Lidocaine HCl 2% (20 mL vial) x 10 Lidocaine HCl 2% 100 mg/ 5mL (Prefilled) x 3 Metronidazole, 250 mg x 100 Morphine Sulphate, 10 mg/mL (1 mL amp) x 100 Narcan (400 mg/mL) (1 mL amp) x 10 Penicillin G K 5 million units x 10 Phentoin Na, 50mg/mL (5 mL amp) x 5 Procainamide HCl 100mg/mL (10 mL vial) x 2 Proethazine HCl 25mg/mL (2 mL amps) x 10 Propranolol HCl 1mg/mL (1 mL amps) x 5 Sodium Bicarbonate 7.5%, 50 mL (prefilled)( x 2) Tetanus and Diphtheria Toxoid (5 mL vial) x 2 Verapamil HCl 5mg / 2mL (2 mL amps) x 5 Water for Injection 10 mL x 10 * Ophth / Otic * ---------------- Betamethasone and Gentamicin Sulphate solution x 5 btl Gentamicin Sulphate ointment 0.3% x 1 tube Gentamicin Sulphate solution 0.3% x 2 btl Ophthalmic Irrigation solution x 240 mL btl Proparacaine HCl 0.5% x 1 btl Sulfacetamide Na ointment 10% x 1 tube Sulfacetamide Na solution 10% x 6 btl Tropicamide solution 1% (5 mL) x 2 btl * Topical * ----------- Aluminum Acetate Powder x 50 packets Benzoin Tincture compound x 50 mL btl Betadine 10% solution x 2L btl Betamethasone Valerate cream 0.1% x 5 tubes Calamine lotion x 600 mL btl Cetrimine and Chlorhexidine Digluconate solution 1:30 x 900 mL btl Clotrimazole cream x 6 tubes Ethyl Chloride spray x 1 btl Hydrocortisone cream 1% x 6 tubes Hydrogen Peroxide solution 3% x 500 mL btl Isopropyl Alcohol 70% x 450 mL btl Lindane lotion 1% x 300 mL btl Lindane shampoo 1% x 300 mL btl Mupirocin ointment x 2 tubes Polymyxin / Bacitracin ointment x 10 tubes Salicylic Acid ointment 40% x 1 jar Selenium Sulfide lotion 2.5% x 2 btl Silver Nitrate applicators x 100 Silver Sulfadiazine cream 1% (30g) x 48 tubes * Other * ------------- Beclomethasone Dipropionate inhalation aerosol x 3 cartons Beclomethasone Dipropionate inhaler - nasal x 2 Clotrimazole vaginal tablets, 200 mg (in 3's) x 2 packs Haemorrhoidal ointment x 2 tubes Haemorrhoidal ointment with Hydrocortisone Acetate x 4 tubes Lidocaine Endotracheal spray x 1 btl NaCl 0.9% Nasal solution (30 mL) x 6 btl Nitroglycerin Lingual aerosol 0.4 mg MDI x 1 Petroleum Jelly x 1 tube Salbutamol Inhalation aerosol x 2 cartons Sodium Phosphate Enema, 100 m: x 2 Surgical Lubricant x 25 packets IV / Injection ------------------- Buretrol x 2 Catheter IV - 14G x 10 Catheter IV - 16G x 10 Catheter IV - 18G x 20 Catheter IV - 20G x 20 Catheter Plug x 30 Dextrose 5% 500 mL bags x 3 Hypodermic Needle - 18G 1 1/2" x 100 Hypodermic Needle - 20G 1 1/2" x 100 Hypodermic Needle - 22G 1" x 100 Hypodermic Needle - 25G 3/4" x 100 Hypodermic Needle - 25G 1 1/2" x 100 IV Administration set - Primary x 50 IV Administration set - Secondary x 10 Lidocaine HCl 0.4% with Dextrose 5% 500 mL bag x 2 Mannitol 20% 400 mL bag x 2 Metronidazole 500mg / 100 mL x bags x 10 NaCl 0.9% 100 mL bags x 20 Pressure Infuser x 1000 mL size x 1 Ringers Lactated 1000 mL bags x 50 Stop Cock x 4 Syringe 1 mL x 10 Syringe 3 mL x 50 Syringe 10 mL x 10 Syringe 60 mL x 5 Tourniquet (elastic or latex) x 15 General Supplies ----------------- Bleach 1% x 450 mL btl Compendium of Pharmaceutical and Specialties (Cdn PDR) x 1 Condoms x 144 C Cell Battery x 4 D Cell Battery x 4 Facial Tissue x 2 boxes Glasses Repair Kit x 2 Hand Towel x 20 Jewellers Pliers x 1 Jewellers Screwdriver x 1 Kidney Emesis Basin x 2 Labels Adhesive x 1 roll Lockable cabinets to secure all of your supplies in. Log Book MCI Cards (Triage Cards) x 30 Measuring Tape x 1 Merck Manual x 1 Pill Bottle with safety cap x 20 Polyvinylidene Sheet - 2' wide x 1 roll Vision Chart x 1 Wash Basin x 1 Zip Lock Bags (small) x 100 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P30D80.CNM Anyone aware of Disaster Med Asst Team in the area? US Pub Health initiatives usually drive their creation. Thanks, Mark Rogacki Ralphwolf@innocent.com or Ralphwolf@aol.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Pirie) Subject: W-EMED Kaopectate and Imodium Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P5A760.CNM Ms. Berrington, >And I noticed that in the past they packed both Imodium AND Kaopectate. >Can anybody tell me if there is an advantage to takeing both those >items? I would think Imodium would do the trick (all participants are >16-17 yrs old) and it's sure easier to pack/dispense etc. I only take Imodium in the field with me. You are quite correct on a bottle of K-Pek taking up lots of room (and additional weight if your backpacking). Furthermore it is has drug reactions with Ciprofloxacin and Tetracycline so that is another strike against it. I would leave it at home and just bring the Imodium. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------- Lt. Steven D. Pirie, RN, BScN, UE General Duty Ward Officer - Day Surgery Unit Canadian Forces Support Unit Ottawa - Health Care Centre 2 Health Support Operational Training Unit ---------------------------------------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:52:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:51:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:50:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:50:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-34.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.34]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA05240 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:50:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <002001beba81$0cf3bbc0$220cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED lake mead race Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:25:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P1AE60.CNM HI LANA, We pack both because some kids won't take solid pills(weird)and we also take Pepto-Bismol ! 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:42:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:41:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:38:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 16:38:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-34.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.34]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA03597 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:38:20 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001101beba7f$678c1840$220cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED diaster kits, lists ? Advice, suggestions please Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 13:13:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P4EB80.CNM Have no suggestions but lots of empathy...I do lots of volunteer work usually overseas and supplies are almost non-existent..you might try large drug companies professional relations dept for help...they've donated in the past if good publicity Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:33:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:32:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:30:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:28:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com (imo28.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.72]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:28:09 -0400 (EDT) From: BjmPAc@aol.com Received: from BjmPAc@aol.com (4464) by imo28.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hOTTa17124 for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <95ccbf9a.249d10c1@aol.com> Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 11:26:57 EDT Subject: W-EMED diaster kits, lists ? Advice, suggestions please To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P5C020.CNM Hi all: I'm trying to put together lists of supplies we need for our hurricane shelters here in coastal NC. In the past its been very dis-organized .l Last year was my first experience running medical services for a shelter with 750+ persons for 48 hours. We are the county public health dept and provide primary care services usually for many of the people who are in the shelters. We of course have no money in the budget for things like this-- The Red Cross who nominally runs the shelters with us during the before and during phase ( and takes over after a diaster) brings us a box with some bandages, tylenol etc. If anyone has lists of supplies for such a situation, I'd love to review them to assist me in my planning. Also if anyone wants to donate any sutures, suture kits , IV equipment or anything useful-- that would be great also :) This is a rural county with very little resources-- our 2 clinics have no suturing equipment to begin with-- we have to send everyone into the ED for such services. I'm an ER trained PA and still can't believe I've been practing here for 14 months without even the most basic equipment. Thanks in advance, Barbara J. Maggiani, PA-C Pender County Health Dept. Hampstead, North Carolina Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:27:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:26:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:26:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web505.yahoomail.com (unknown.yahoo.com [128.11.68.72] (may be forged)) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 03:26:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990619072938.27396.rocketmail@web505.yahoomail.com> Received: from [161.184.40.206] by web505.yahoomail.com; Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:29:38 PDT Date: Sat, 19 Jun 1999 00:29:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Lana Berrington Subject: Re: W-EMED lake mead race To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P574E0.CNM - no medical care at the race.You > guys/girls are phoney and > luckily we are smart enough to hire a good attorney > here in Calif. and he > has made contacts lready in Nev.and Az.We will be > suing you for > something he called negligence;just thot you'd want > to know;Christina Wow.. sounds like Christina has some "issues" Too bad she thought that we'd ALL care to hear about them. Isn't there some kind of law-thing-gummy about defamation of character? Beats me... Canadians like to sue sometimes too.. but I think you American's have it down to an art form. Or maybe I just need to watch more "Law and Order" Here's a question for the croud.. I've been reviewing the first aid kit we send on one of our canoe trips at the camp I work at (2 months - Mackenzie River Yellowknife-Tuktoyuktuk) And I noticed that in the past they packed both Imodium AND Kaopectate. Can anybody tell me if there is an advantage to takeing both those items? I would think Imodium would do the trick (all participants are 16-17 yrs old) and it's sure easier to pack/dispense etc. Have you hugged your lawyer today? Lana Berrington, BSc, BA, EMT-A, ARNG (all round nice gal :-)? ) Health & Safety Director Rocky Mountain YMCA _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:16:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:16:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:16:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:14:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:13:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from exchange1.uams.edu (exchange1.uams.edu [144.30.1.148]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 21:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by EXCHANGE1 with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:13:33 -0500 Message-ID: From: "Edwards, Paul K" To: "'wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu'" Subject: W-EMED wilderness medicine Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:16:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P506A0.CNM I am a student working on a MS in physiology at University of Arkansas Medical Sciences. I will be entering the Med I class in 01' in pursuit of my MD, I would like to complete my residency in Emergency medicine. I want to be involved with wilderness medicine (expeditions, mission trips, etc.) and am curious if any one has any advice, or can help direct me on how to get involved with wilderness medicine? What is the opportunity to explore this area of medicine? Any helpful well written journals (in a sutdents budget?) Is there progressive research in wilderness medicine? Any information would be helful. Thank you, Paul Edwards Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:15:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:13:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:13:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:13:35 -0400 (EDT) From: GaidenMstr@aol.com Received: from GaidenMstr@aol.com (8063) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hZAUa12149 for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:12:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <76ce704c.249b0512@aol.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 22:12:34 EDT Subject: W-EMED Request for Trauma Photos To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P700C0.CNM Ladies and Gentlemen, I am currently attempting to set up sustainment training programs for my advanced military medics within my compound, and one of the annual requirements is an trauma block. The medics have to be able to perform basic and advanced emergency treatment of trauma patients. I am looking for some minor trauma photos as well as some major cases that you may have had in the past. Would any of you be interested in volunteering some of those photos? If you are interested in helping me out I would appreciate it. Please send all responses to my personal email address (Gaidenmstr@aol.com) or at my military email address (mccumsr@socom.mil). Your photos that you supply me will not be used to make any profit off of and I promise that you will get the full credit for taking the photos. The photos will have a portion on them that will have your name or your companies name on it and I will be willing to send a copy of the power point slides at your request. I thank each one of you for taking out the time to read this message. Bob Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 23:03:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:55:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:53:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-b2-6.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.96]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:53:33 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199906172153.RAA01616@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu, sar-l@listserv.islandnet.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 1999 17:53:28 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED (Fwd) Wanted ! Great opportunity (for wilderness medic or doc) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu ------- Forwarded Message Follows ------- From: Cardsurg@aol.com Date sent: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 21:37:57 EDT Subject: Wanted ! Great opportunity To: PSAuerbach@aol.com, BOWWAR@aol.com, psalfkb@psal10.med.navy.mil, bcarpentier@bellnet.tamu.edu, kconover+@pitt.edu, dandanz@pol.net, ADickison@aol.com, B.Durrer@popnet.ch, msdwg@mail.gwumc.edu, phack@ruralhealth.org, LuFreer@aol.com, Lfrizzsolo@aol.com, kenneth.kizer@mail.va.gov, tkovacs@goodnet.com Nevada Wier, great traveler and travel photographer is looking for a doctor or an expedition experienced EMT/paramedic to be medical backup for a trek/river trip down the Ethiopian segment of the Blue Nile. Sept 10-Oct15 1999 Would have to pay their own way as there is no commercial backing for the trip, although details are being managed by Mt Travel/Sobek. This would be an original raft trip down this segment of the river. A true discovery. If you are interested or know someone who might be interested, have them contact me at cardsurg@aol.com or Nevada@nevadawier.com Bruce Paton --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:03:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:02:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:01:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:00:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post2.fast.net (post2.fast.net [198.69.204.22]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:00:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dad (maxtnt08-abe-124.fast.net [209.92.13.124]) by post2.fast.net (8.9.1/8.8.5) with SMTP id FAA08434 for ; Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:00:17 -0400 (EDT) From: "Barry J. Burton" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip... Date: Sat, 12 Jun 1999 05:01:15 -0400 Message-ID: <000801beb4b2$2090ee20$7c0d5cd1@dad> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <4.1.19990611161114.009880d0@tikki.ColoradoCollege.edu> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P6DCC0.CNM No, this is simply an application of the way CPR really works..by increasing intrathoracic pressure greater than carotid pressure... it can be maintained for at least brief periods of time. I first read about it in 77..First saw it in 78 in cath labs (every time they squirtt dye int he coronaries, the patient would flat line...then, before the loss of consciousness woul kick in, they would "cough" the dye out and restart the heart) used it myself for a patient who went asystolic while I was placing a foley while calling fo rhte nurse and defib in 79 (while an orderly in CCU) ..and many times since then ..as long as consciousness is still present...to stall for time to get the right treatment available. (Dr)Barry (Burton, D.O., FACOEP) (prior EMT/orderly/P2 and instructor, RN, and now OccMed doc) -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Fred Wu Sent: Friday, June 11, 1999 7:14 PM To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip... Could this be some sort of vagal maneuver to help the patient convert back to NSR? Maybe Dr. Conover would have some helpful insights into this topic. Fred Wu EMT-Intermediate, WEMT At 08:55 AM 6/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >I learned about this maneuver in the back of the ambulance from our intercept >medic...we had an elderly, agitated woman with weird rythms, and they had her >do this to convert...when I got home, my wife, a family practice resident, >said she was quite familiar with it...my understanding was that one of it's >benefits for someone alone is to help maintain consciousness a little longer >by increasing the (falling) blood flow and pressure to the brain, maintaining >oxygenation just a little longer... > >mordechai y. scher >worcester, ma >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:02:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:02:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:02:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:01:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thacher.org (pegasus.thacher.org [209.179.72.1] (may be forged)) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:01:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.175.237.133] (207.175.237.133) by thacher.org (FirstClass Mail Server v5.50) with SMTP (Sender: F_Wu@ColoradoCollege.edu) transient id 410; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:06:37 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990611200637.00998ea0@tikki.ColoradoCollege.edu> X-Sender: F_Wu@tikki.ColoradoCollege.edu X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:07:12 -0700 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Fred Wu Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P62970.CNM Could this be some sort of vagal maneuver to help the patient convert back to NSR? Maybe Dr. Conover would have some helpful insights into this topic. Fred Wu EMT-Intermediate, WEMT Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:05:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:02:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from thacher.org (pegasus.thacher.org [209.179.72.1] (may be forged)) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 23:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [207.175.237.133] (207.175.237.133) by thacher.org (FirstClass Mail Server v5.50) with SMTP (Sender: telemedic@earthlink.net) transient id 411; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 20:07:09 -0700 Message-Id: <4.1.19990611161114.009880d0@tikki.ColoradoCollege.edu> Message-Id: <4.1.19990611161114.009880d0@tikki.ColoradoCollege.edu> X-Sender: telemedic@mail.earthlink.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 16:13:42 -0700 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Fred Wu Subject: Re: W-EMED Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P704E0.CNM Could this be some sort of vagal maneuver to help the patient convert back to NSR? Maybe Dr. Conover would have some helpful insights into this topic. Fred Wu EMT-Intermediate, WEMT At 08:55 AM 6/11/99 -0400, you wrote: >I learned about this maneuver in the back of the ambulance from our intercept >medic...we had an elderly, agitated woman with weird rythms, and they had her >do this to convert...when I got home, my wife, a family practice resident, >said she was quite familiar with it...my understanding was that one of it's >benefits for someone alone is to help maintain consciousness a little longer >by increasing the (falling) blood flow and pressure to the brain, maintaining >oxygenation just a little longer... > >mordechai y. scher >worcester, ma >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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References: X-Corel-MessageType: EMail Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P6C030.CNM Hellon all, This has been described. Seems rather risky, but there is only one alternative. Arthur Mkeowl@aol.com wrote: > > Thought that this was interesting. I'm only a WEMT. What do the MDs say about > this...? > > Thanks, > > Linda in VA > > > > > Subject: Fwd: medical tip: > > > > Medical Tip > > > > HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE > > > > (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart > > attack, this article seemed in order.) > > A person, of any age, can have a heart attack. > > Without help the person whose heart stops beating properly > > and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left > > before > > losing consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by > > coughing > > repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each > > cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum > > from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about > > every two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart > > is > > felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs > > and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. > > The > > squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In > > this > > way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths, call > > for > > help. Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save > > their > > lives! > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [SAR-DOGS] Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip > Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:31:59 PDT > From: char > Reply-To: Search and Rescue dogs discussion list > , > char > To: SAR-DOGS@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM > References: Conversation <2147234090@cc-ent.com> with last message > <2147234090@cc-ent.com> > > SAR-Dogs discussion list, Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:16 (EST) > ----------------------------------- > > Hi list, > I thought I would share this medical tip with all of you, take care. > > Char > > Subject: Fwd: medical tip: > > Medical Tip > > HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE > > (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart > attack, this article seemed in order.) > A person, of any age, can have a heart attack. > Without help the person whose heart stops beating properly > and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left > before > losing consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by > coughing > repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each > cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum > from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about > every two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart > is > felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs > and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. > The > squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In > this > way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths, call > for > help. Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save > their > lives! > > <><><><><><><><><> DO NOT REPOST THIS PART <><><><><><><><><> > SAR Dogs FAQ: > > http://www.drizzle.com/~danc/FAQ/sarfaq.htm > > SAR Dogs web archives: > > http://APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM/archives/SAR-DOGS.html Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:58:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:57:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:57:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:57:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:56:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 09:56:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-44.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.44]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id GAA26347 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:56:40 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001901beb3fd$fecd0760$2c0cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip... Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 06:31:47 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="part1_b2c4a395.24921926_boundary"; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P3CCE0.CNM Rather than coughing(which probably will ^ intrathoracic pressure some..probably difficult with all that chest pain)I personally would take a couple aspirin and whip out my cell phone to call God and perhaps 911 love Doc Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:58:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:57:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:56:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:55:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com (imo22.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.66]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: MYScher@aol.com Received: from MYScher@aol.com (14369) by imo22.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hQOQa21389 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:55:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 08:55:09 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip... To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 68 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P72320.CNM I learned about this maneuver in the back of the ambulance from our intercept medic...we had an elderly, agitated woman with weird rythms, and they had her do this to convert...when I got home, my wife, a family practice resident, said she was quite familiar with it...my understanding was that one of it's benefits for someone alone is to help maintain consciousness a little longer by increasing the (falling) blood flow and pressure to the brain, maintaining oxygenation just a little longer... mordechai y. scher worcester, ma Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:15:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for kconover@pop.pitt.edu; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:15:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail for kconover+@pitt.edu; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:15:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 01:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id AAA21970 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 00:14:40 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199906110514.AAA21970@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from ali-ca54-59.ix.netcom.com(209.110.237.123) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma021948; Fri Jun 11 00:14:23 1999 X-Sender: basalt@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 22:14:53 -0700 To: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" From: Anne Rock Subject: Re: W-EMED Lyme Disease Vaccine In-Reply-To: <199904041618.MAA19712@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P28000.CNM Hi Keith, Lurker from the W-EMED list ... involved in SAR and as co-chair of a volunteer safety/hiking patrol for the local regional park district (SF Bay Area). May I forward your post about the vaccine to the volunteer coordinator for the safety patrol? Several members have been asking about the vaccine .... thanks, Anne >There have been many discussions about whether SAR people in >endemic areas should receive the Lyme Disease vaccine. > >The Medical Letter on Drugs and Therapeutics, a highly-respected >and essentially authoritative but very conservative medical >newsletter, says in its March 26 issue: > >[snip] >Cost -- The cost to the pharmacist for a single dose of LYMErix is >$61.25 . . . >Conclusion -- Lyme disease vaccine is effective and has been well- >tolerated, but its long-term safety is worrisome, and antibiotics are >generally effective in treating early disease and preventing >complications. How long vaccination remains protective is unknown; >antibody levels suggest that frequent boosters may be necessary. >Use of this vaccine should be sharply limited. > >For the SAR people in the area for which I am medical director, >Pennsylvania, which is an endemic area but not so bad as further >north, that LYMErix is "not recommended." Certainly I would not >recommend it in Virginia, West Virginia, or Maryland, the other >areas in the Appalachian Search and Rescue Conference's primary >service area. > >With additional experience, the vaccine may turn out to be safe and >longer lasting, and my recommendation may change. > >Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP (NSS 12893, WD4PSY) >http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover >- Information Systems Coordinator, Dept. of EM, Mercy Hospital >- Clinical Assistant Professor, Dept. of Emergency Medicine, > Univ. of Pittsburgh (EM Residency and Center for Emergency Medicine) >- Medical Director, Wilderness EMS Institute > (http://www.wemsi.org; for a WEMSI-sponsored list, send "subscribe > wilderness-emergency-medicine" to Majordomo@list.pitt.edu) >- Eastern Region, Natl. Cave Rescue Comm./Appalachian SAR Conf. >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > >========================================================================== >SAR-L Search and Rescue discussion list. For unsubscribe information-email >to sar-l-request@listserv.islandnet.com with the word 'help' in the >subject field. >========================================================================== > Anne Rock basalt@ix.netcom.com -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:51:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:50:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:49:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo29.mx.aol.com (imo29.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.73]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:49:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mkeowl@aol.com Received: from Mkeowl@aol.com (3889) by imo29.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hBICa11536 for ; Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:47:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 Jun 1999 03:47:50 EDT Subject: W-EMED Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip... To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_b2c4a395.24921926_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 537395328 0 1 P67E20.CNM --part1_b2c4a395.24921926_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thought that this was interesting. I'm only a WEMT. What do the MDs say about this...? Thanks, Linda in VA > > Subject: Fwd: medical tip: > > Medical Tip > > HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE > > (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart > attack, this article seemed in order.) > A person, of any age, can have a heart attack. > Without help the person whose heart stops beating properly > and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left > before > losing consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by > coughing > repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each > cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum > from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about > every two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart > is > felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs > and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. > The > squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In > this > way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths, call > for > help. Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save > their > lives! --part1_b2c4a395.24921926_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: Received: from rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (rly-yb01.mail.aol.com [172.18.146.1]) by air-yb04.mail.aol.com (v59.34) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:14 -0400 Received: from LIME.EASE.LSOFT.COM (lime.ease.lsoft.com [209.119.1.41]) by rly-yb01.mx.aol.com (vx) with SMTP; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:36:54 -0400 Received: from PEAR.EASE.LSOFT.COM (209.119.0.19) by LIME.EASE.LSOFT.COM (LSMTP for Digital Unix v1.1b) with SMTP id <13.00254B93@LIME.EASE.LSOFT.COM>; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:34:39 -0400 Received: from APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM by APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM (LISTSERV-TCP/IP release 1.8d) with spool id 16372969 for SAR-DOGS@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:16 -0400 Received: from franz.tir.com by mango.ease.lsoft.com (LSMTP for Windows NT v1.1b) with SMTP id <1.FFC34846@mango.ease.lsoft.com>; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:15 -0400 Received: from PC_charchi (port07.mico19.tir.com [216.40.139.146]) by franz.tir.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA24363 for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:35:58 -0400 (EDT) References: Conversation <2147234090@cc-ent.com> with last message <2147234090@cc-ent.com> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 17:31:59 PDT Reply-To: Search and Rescue dogs discussion list , char Sender: Search and Rescue dogs discussion list From: char Subject: [SAR-DOGS] Fw: Fw: Fwd: medical tip To: SAR-DOGS@APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM In-Reply-To: <2147234090@cc-ent.com> SAR-Dogs discussion list, Thu, 10 Jun 1999 19:37:16 (EST) ----------------------------------- Hi list, I thought I would share this medical tip with all of you, take care. Char Subject: Fwd: medical tip: Medical Tip HOW TO SURVIVE A HEART ATTACK WHEN ALONE (Since many people are alone when they suffer a heart attack, this article seemed in order.) A person, of any age, can have a heart attack. Without help the person whose heart stops beating properly and who begins to feel Faint, has only about 10 seconds left =20 before losing consciousness. However, these victims can help themselves by coughing repeatedly and very vigorously. A deep breath should be taken before each cough, and the cough must be deep and prolonged, as when producing sputum from deep inside the chest. A breath and a cough must be repeated about every two seconds without let up until help arrives, or until the heart is felt to be beating normally again. Deep breaths get oxygen into the lungs and coughing movements squeeze the heart and keep the blood circulating. The squeezing pressure on the heart also helps it regain normal rhythm. In this way, heart attack victims can get to a phone and, between breaths, call for help. Tell as many other people as possible about this, it could save their lives! <><><><><><><><><> DO NOT REPOST THIS PART <><><><><><><><><> SAR Dogs FAQ: http://www.drizzle.com/~danc/FAQ/sarfaq.htm SAR Dogs web archives: http://APPLE.EASE.LSOFT.COM/archives/SAR-DOGS.html --part1_b2c4a395.24921926_boundary-- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:39:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:38:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:36:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:35:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:35:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jaywiseman@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ECRSMYYW; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 10:35:14 EDT To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Thu, 10 Jun 1999 07:35:41 -0700 Subject: Re: W-EMED The wet towel trick Message-ID: <19990610.073542.20718.0.JayWiseman@juno.com> References: <3ef14ba9.248fd50f@aol.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-10,18-19,23-27 From: Jay J Wiseman Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 128 0 1 P06E20.CNM Hi Bru (et al), On Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:32:47 EDT Caverbru@aol.com writes: >I guess I'm not very coordinated but the thought of trying to hold a >wet towel on someone's face along with a BVM mask is more than >my small hands can imagine. >Remember, EMS was just getting going in the early '70's so all sorts >of things were being experimented with. >Bru Randall I can certainly understand your hesitancy, but I would encourage you to get an annie, a BVM, and a damp towel or washcloth and try it for yourself. (Indeed, before _anybody_ tries using this technique on an actual patient, please try it several times "in the lab" beforehand.) With only a small amount of practice, it's actually pretty easy and quick to set up, and it does a lot to help maintain a good seal -- especially in the troublesome area opposite where the mask is gripped during single-operator usage. As I said, I can certainly understand your doubts. Try it for yourself in a practice session and let me know what you think. (One further hint: It's not necessary that the small towel or washcloth be wringing wet. "Noticeably damp" should be fine.) Regards, Jay ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:17:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:43:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:43:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:43:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:42:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:42:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Jaymullen@aol.com Received: from Jaymullen@aol.com (229) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hJZOa00666 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:41:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <26ed1b51.24900130@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 13:41:04 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED volunteer docs To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 216 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P7A0C0.CNM As Bill Lionberger said, if you're interested in learning more about the medicine of adventure racing, or helping out, please contact me at our web site at www.AdventureDocs.com. There's a section devoted to volunteers -- anyone interested should fill out the volunteer form, so that we can plan future events together. The sport is incredibly new, and growing at an outrageous speed . . . The web site is just getting on its feet, so be forewarned. Thanks-- Jay Jay Mullen Adventure Medicine Consultants Tucson, AZ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:38:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:37:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:36:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:34:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Caverbru@aol.com Received: from Caverbru@aol.com (8070) by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hOUWa01249 for ; Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <3ef14ba9.248fd50f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Jun 1999 10:32:47 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED The wet towel trick To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Status: U X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P06F30.CNM I guess I'm not very coordinated but the thought of trying to hold a wet towel on someone's face along with a BVM mask is more than my small hands can imagine. Remember, EMS was just getting going in the early '70's so all sorts of things were being experimented with. Bru Randall Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:17:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:16:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:16:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:15:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:14:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 6 Jun 1999 12:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jaywiseman@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id ECFNQWWL; Sun, 06 Jun 1999 12:14:32 EDT To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 09:14:57 -0700 Subject: W-EMED The wet towel trick Message-ID: <19990606.091500.19750.0.JayWiseman@juno.com> References: <01bead3b$617b5160$bc3af5cc@skidoc.sedona.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6,8-10,12-13,15,17,19-21,23,25-30 From: Jay J Wiseman Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 128 0 1 P087E0.CNM Hi folks, Jay here. Hey, I was wondering how many of you had heard of the "wet towel" trick. I saw this mentioned in an EMT manual published back in the 70's, but haven't seen it "officially" mentioned anywhere since then. What you do is apply the BVM or demand valve to the patient's face and then take a "somewhat" damp towel (dishtowel or washcloth size is about right) and wrap it around the mask/face junction. It does a _lot_ to help create and maintain a seal. (You do have to make sure that you leave "enough" of the clear mask uncovered so that you can adequately see that part of the patient's face.) Try it on a manikin yourself and you'll see what I mean. It has the potential to be really helpful in maintaining an adequate seal. It may be particularly useful in situations where only one person is available to both seal the mask to the patient's face and operate the ventilation device. Regards, Jay ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:26:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:26:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.com (root@future.futureone.com [209.250.0.132]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 13:05:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from futureone.futureone.com (ppp2-57.wik.dialup.futureone.com [209.250.12.57]) by futureone.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA03595 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 1999 10:05:15 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: <001a01beadcf$08cada60$390cfad1@futureone.futureone.com> From: "DOC" To: Subject: W-EMED volunteer docs Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:40:30 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEADA5.1E5A5C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 537395584 0 1 P45260.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEADA5.1E5A5C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey fellow certified wilderness docs; Have any of you = participated(medically)in these 24-36hr "adventure races...like mini = eco- challenges?What are your experience?I just did support for MOUNTAIN RAGE = race at Lake Mead put on by 4WINDSADVENTURE out of Sedona ,AZ and was = sl. disappointed in planning/medical team effort.Ended up "rescuing" 3 = teams including Navy Seal team who just gave out......Doc ------=_NextPart_000_0017_01BEADA5.1E5A5C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hey fellow certified wilderness=20 docs;
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;    =20 Have any of you participated(medically)in these 24-36hr "adventure=20 races...like mini eco-
challenges?What are your = experience?I just did=20 support for MOUNTAIN RAGE race at Lake Mead put on by 4WINDSADVENTURE = out of=20 Sedona ,AZ and was sl. disappointed in planning/medical team = effort.Ended up=20 "rescuing" 3 teams
including Navy Seal team who just = gave=20 out......Doc
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If any Wilderness medicine experts = are=20 interested in finding out more about Adventure Racing and ways to get = involved=20 with our medical team, contact - Jaymullen@aol.com he is presently = in charge=20 of directing medical support for Four Winds Adventure = Races.

Dr. Bill Lionberger
E-mail drbill@4windsadventure.com= or skidoc@sedona.net
Four Winds = Adventure=20 Company
2675 West Highway 89A Suite 451
Sedona AZ 86336
Toll = Free:=20 800/ 775-7671
Fax: 888/844-7671 
"Do The Supreme Adventure=20 Race!"
"For a Taste of the Real Deal - = Try the=20 Mountain Rage Adventure Race!"
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 DOC <doc@futureone.com>
To: = wilderness-em= ergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu=20 <wilderness-em= ergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu>
Date:=20 Wednesday, June 02, 1999 5:00 PM
Subject: W-EMED = volunteer=20 docs

Hey fellow certified wilderness docs; Have = any of=20 you participated(medically)in these 24-36hr "adventure = races...like=20 mini eco- challenges?What are your experience?I just did support for = MOUNTAIN RAGE race at Lake Mead put on by 4WINDSADVENTURE out of = Sedona ,AZ=20 and was sl. disappointed in planning/medical team effort.Ended up=20 "rescuing" 3 teams including Navy Seal team who just gave=20 out......Doc -------------------- =20 =20
Hey fellow certified wilderness=20 docs;
          &nbs= p;            = ;            =             &= nbsp;    =20 Have any of you participated(medically)in these 24-36hr = "adventure=20 races...like mini eco-
challenges?What are your = experience?I just=20 did support for MOUNTAIN RAGE race at Lake Mead put on by = 4WINDSADVENTURE=20 out of Sedona ,AZ and was sl. disappointed in planning/medical team=20 effort.Ended up "rescuing" 3 teams
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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:23:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:22:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:21:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-s1-15.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.22.185]) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905291520.LAA23549@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: pirie@istar.ca (Steven D. Pirie), wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:26 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Medical Kit lists available In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P44070.CNM Sorry, but they're too big to fit through the list. However, there are HTML versions on the web site that you can download and view with a Web browser. However, the adobe acrobat reader is free, downloadable, and runs on Mac, PC, Unix, whatever . . . www.adobe.com. On 28 May 99, at 16:24, Steven D. Pirie wrote: > Dr. Conover, > > >I'd had several emails about getting copies of the WEMSI personal > >and team medical kit lists. > > > >They are now posted on the WEMSI Web site: > > > >They are in Adobe Acrobat .pdf format -- > > > Is it possible to post them to the listserv for us loyal readers that > cannot run Adobe Acrobat and / or do not have access to the net? > > It would be appreciated. > > Steven > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Lt. Steven D. Pirie, RN, BScN, UE > General Duty Ward Officer > Day Surgery Unit > Canadian Forces Support Unit Ottawa - Health Care Centre > 2 Health Support Operational Training Unit > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-ID: X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Header: In-reply-to: X-RS-Sigset: 2 To: pirie@istar.ca (Steven D. Pirie),wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Medical Kit lists available Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Sat, 29 May 1999 11:20:12 -0400 Sorry, but they're too big to fit through the list. However, there are HTML versions on the web site that you can download and view with a Web browser. However, the adobe acrobat reader is free, downloadable, and runs on Mac, PC, Unix, whatever . . . www.adobe.com. On 28 May 99, at 16:24, Steven D. Pirie wrote: > Dr. Conover, > > >I'd had several emails about getting copies of the WEMSI personal > >and team medical kit lists. > > > >They are now posted on the WEMSI Web site: > > > >They are in Adobe Acrobat .pdf format -- > > > Is it possible to post them to the listserv for us loyal readers that > cannot run Adobe Acrobat and / or do not have access to the net? > > It would be appreciated. > > Steven > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > Lt. Steven D. Pirie, RN, BScN, UE > General Duty Ward Officer > Day Surgery Unit > Canadian Forces Support Unit Ottawa - Health Care Centre > 2 Health Support Operational Training Unit > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:29:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:29:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:27:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:24:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.toronto.istar.net (mail1.toronto.istar.net [209.89.75.17]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:24:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ms01-432.ott.istar.ca ([137.186.209.178]) by mail1.toronto.istar.net with smtp (Exim 2.02 #1) id 10nTBB-0005B1-00 for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Fri, 28 May 1999 16:24:35 -0400 X-Sender: pirie@istar.ca (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 16:24:40 -0500 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: pirie@istar.ca (Steven D. Pirie) Subject: Re: W-EMED Medical Kit lists available Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 1572992 0 1 P58D80.CNM Dr. Conover, >I'd had several emails about getting copies of the WEMSI personal >and team medical kit lists. > >They are now posted on the WEMSI Web site: > >They are in Adobe Acrobat .pdf format -- Is it possible to post them to the listserv for us loyal readers that cannot run Adobe Acrobat and / or do not have access to the net? It would be appreciated. Steven ---------------------------------------------------------- Lt. Steven D. Pirie, RN, BScN, UE General Duty Ward Officer Day Surgery Unit Canadian Forces Support Unit Ottawa - Health Care Centre 2 Health Support Operational Training Unit ---------------------------------------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:56:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:56:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:56:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-u-61.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.171]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 22:56:02 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905270256.WAA25270@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 22:56:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED Medical Kit lists available X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P61C60.CNM I'd had several emails about getting copies of the WEMSI personal and team medical kit lists. They are now posted on the WEMSI Web site: http://www.wemsi.org They are in Adobe Acrobat .pdf format -- if you don't have it yet, the new Acrobat 4.0 plugin for Netscape and Internet Explorer is available from: http://www.adobe.com Thank you. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:39:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:38:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:38:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emed.upmc.edu (pphled03.dwing.upmc.edu [128.147.175.164]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 20:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EMERG_MED/SpoolDir by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 26 May 99 20:44:17 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by EMERG_MED (Mercury 1.30); 26 May 99 20:44:03 -0500 Received: from grandeyjt.1upmc-puh by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 26 May 99 20:34:47 -0500 From: "Jack T. Grandey" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED August WEMSI WEMT class Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 20:28:53 -0400 Message-ID: <005c01bea7d7$e7433060$9e3e9380@grandeyjt.1upmc-puh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <392a55bd.247dba98@aol.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P02E80.CNM That is correct. Tent camping will be available, but not necessary. Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P       Operations Director   Wilderness EMS Institute     http://www.wemsi.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Caverbru@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 16:59 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED August WEMSI WEMT class Folks, I believe the ER, NCRC classes will have dorms or bunk rooms available. Bru Randall Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Bru Randall Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:46:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:45:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:45:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:44:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:43:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-b3-16.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.126]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:43:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905261443.KAA19165@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:43:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: W-EMED August WEMSI WEMT class X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P15970.CNM For those interested in attending a Wilderness EMT class based on the Wilderness EMS Institute's curriculum, but who would have to travel a long distance, and who have hesitated to drive or fly a long distance for a class offered over two weekends: Consider attending the WEMSI WEMT offered at the Eastern Region, National Cave Rescue Commission's "weeklong" cave rescue college held in central West Virginia each summer. This cave-rescue oriented WEMSI WEMT class includes not only the entire WEMSI curriculum, but also for those not experienced in cave rescue, the NCRC Orientation to Cave Rescue class and certification. Information is available at http://www.wemsi.org/classes.html Where there is also a link to the ER-NCRC site with more detailed information. I will also note that this is a very inexpensive way to get a WEMSI WEMT as long as you're happy camping in a tent. Note that this does not include an EMT-Basic course -- this is just the module to bring you from EMT-Basic(/-Paramedic, RN, MD, DO, PA, CRNP or whatever), to the WEMT level. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Sigset: 2 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: August WEMSI WEMT class Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 10:42:58 -0400 For those interested in attending a Wilderness EMT class based on the Wilderness EMS Institute's curriculum, but who would have to travel a long distance, and who have hesitated to drive or fly a long distance for a class offered over two weekends: Consider attending the WEMSI WEMT offered at the Eastern Region, National Cave Rescue Commission's "weeklong" cave rescue college held in central West Virginia each summer. This cave-rescue oriented WEMSI WEMT class includes not only the entire WEMSI curriculum, but also for those not experienced in cave rescue, the NCRC Orientation to Cave Rescue class and certification. Information is available at http://www.wemsi.org/classes.html Where there is also a link to the ER-NCRC site with more detailed information. I will also note that this is a very inexpensive way to get a WEMSI WEMT as long as you're happy camping in a tent. Note that this does not include an EMT-Basic course -- this is just the module to bring you from EMT-Basic(/-Paramedic, RN, MD, DO, PA, CRNP or whatever), to the WEMT level. -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 10:22:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:50:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:48:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:48:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-e2-13.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.21.43]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 26 May 1999 09:47:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905261347.JAA10806@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: Charles.Kleschick@atlanticare.org Date: Wed, 26 May 1999 09:47:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED NAS Wilderness First Aid vs. Pennsylvania Good Sa CC: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu In-reply-to: <0005ABB6.4215@atlanticare.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 524416 0 1 P75AF0.CNM On 26 May 99, at 9:12, Charles.Kleschick@atlanticare.org wrote: > Please tell me who "NAS" is Sorry, it's National Safety Council -- should be NSC. NSC and the Wilderness Medical Society cooperated on these courses -- the WMS authored the text, and the NSC is setting up courses through its first aid system, mostly in community colleges. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: R From: Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP X-RS-ID: X-RS-Flags: 0,0,1,1,0,0,0 X-RS-Header: References: <199905182113.RAA06828@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu> X-RS-Header: In-reply-to: X-RS-Sigset: 2 To: Charles P Kollar ,Marlow MACHT Subject: Re: Repeated off-topic postings by David Grogan Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Mon, 24 May 1999 15:48:26 -0400 That's all that I could find. Sigh. It didn't make any sense to me, but I thought maybe you could. Well, if he keeps posting I will simply announce to the list that he is spamming the list, is not welcome, and we are doing our best to get rid of his postings. On 24 May 99, at 10:37, Charles P Kollar wrote: > Keith, > > Are you sure that all of the headers are there? I can't see any > indication of where it is from. > > Looks though like he is using some free email service > http://www.bigassweb.com/ > . We could track > him down and lock him out, but he will probably just switch to some > new free email service and spam us again. Short of a court order and / or > deleting him every time that he appears, there isn't much that we can do. > > --chuck > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----- PGP Key: Length=1024 ID=DE6BE7B1 Fingerprint=73983833689CD12E > 7EECF240826346E3 PGP Key at 'http://www.kollar.com/pgp_key.html' or > 'finger chuck@kollar.com' URL: http://www.kollar.com/ > > On Tue, 18 May 1999, Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP wrote: > > > Sigh. I have emailed Mr. Grogan in the past asking him not to post > > off-topic, and warned him that he'd be cut off if he did it again, so > > yes. > > > > Chuck, I'll forward one of his messages with all of the headers. Will > > you please help me track down his real subscription (if he has one) and > > help prevent him from posting to the list again? > > > > On 16 May 99, at 23:32, Marlow MACHT wrote: > > > > > Dear Dr. Conover, > > > > > > Mr. Grogan has repeatedly posted profane off-topic drivel to the list. > > > Rather than starting a flame war, may I respectfully request that he > > > no longer be allowed to post? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Marlow Macht > > > > > > MARCH-OCTOBER > > > Alaska Fire Service AK-352 > > > PO Box 35005/1513 Gaffney Road > > > Fort Wainwright, Alaska 99703 > > > Home: (907) 356-1015 > > > Pager: (907) 496-5892 > > > > > > PERMANENT > > > 2121 Reed Road > > > Hood River, Oregon 97031 > > > Tel/Fax: (541) 386-1636 > > > mmacht@usa.net > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu] On Behalf > > > Of David Grogan Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 12:17 PM To: > > > cEllis79@webtv.net; emt-ps@webtv.net; SistasE@aol.com; > > > wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; wind4flyte@aol.com; > > > shanm@webtv.net; homer@execnet.net; medick@hotmail.com; > > > vc@execnet.net; Monypit@Juno.com; angelface45@mailcity.com; > > > Dnor25@aol.com; dspiker@pathway.net; gjport@Juno.com; > > > MzKymz@webtv.net; Resq_Doll@webtv.com; medic101@mailcity.com; > > > nikki170@aol.com; timothy.maloney@cwix.com; vocblack@total.net; > > > flyte104@aol.com; fyrfyter@webtv.net; medic009@webtv.net; > > > romclehs@nauticom.net; spyderzapr@aol.com Subject: W-EMED hello all > > > Importance: Low > > > > > > > > > hey jus thought i would tell everyone that ive been off the net for > > > awhile since i moved to the "big boring city" but you can still email > > > me at this email addy cuz ill stilll be checking at least once a week > > > so dont send any bullshit please gets kinda visious in the in box lol > > > well wish everyone luck > > > > > > DAVE > > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > > Sent via BigAssWeb - free email service at http://www.bigassweb.com > > > > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > > > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe > > > wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) > > > To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: > > > wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > > > > > > > > > > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP > > http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover > > > > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:38:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:37:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:37:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:36:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:35:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inetone.net (mail.inetone.net [206.105.172.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inetone.net [208.26.98.38] by mail.inetone.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A0076680030; Thu, 20 May 1999 01:39:19 EST Message-ID: <37439EDF.EEF57249@inetone.net> Date: Thu, 20 May 1999 01:34:23 -0400 From: Gabriel Thomas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine References: <000a01bea1fa$b1923e80$9e3e9380@grandeyjt.1upmc-puh> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P54620.CNM I'd just like to say thanks to all those who sent me information it was a great help! 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:49:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:49:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:48:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:48:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from moe.intelos.net (moe.intelos.net [216.12.23.230]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 15:48:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 9868 invoked from network); 19 May 1999 19:48:52 -0000 Received: from usr1-005.wvinter.net (HELO default) (208.162.196.8) by moe.intelos.net with SMTP; 19 May 1999 19:48:52 -0000 Message-ID: <004601bea231$2bfdc0a0$08c4a2d0@default> From: "Hound" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 15:52:47 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0DB20.CNM Hello Gabe, I also live in the MOUNTAIN STATE ,and would suggest the Wood Co. Fire School. Now , I can't say they will have everything you are looking for , but did have many classes on Emergency response. Most Assuredly Hound !!! KC8LUF http://greenday.ntu.edu/daxe/hound/hound.htm http://WWW.BLOODHOUNDS.COM/guide >I've been a long time subscriber to this list and really have said much. I live in >West Virginia and to my knowledge there is no wilderness EMT classes available. Is >there any that I am not aware of or any within the area, such as Ohio, Virginia, >marland, kentucky or Tennessee? Or is there any other courses that are related to >wilderness medicine? Thanks, > Gabe > >cheazlit@ix.netcom.com wrote: > >> As an addition to the thread on careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine... >> >> I just completed my Wilderness First Responder training with the Wilderness >> Medicine Institute (http://www.wildernessmed.com/). I really thought it was >> top notch. It is clear that these folks are doing research in wilderness >> medicine as well as teaching it. There are plenty of opportunities to work as >> an instructor in the teaching field. >> >> I would also suggest contacting the Wilderness Medical Society about careers >> (http://www.wms.org/ or email them at: wms@wms.org). Wilderness Medicine is >> becoming a specialty unto itself. There are now more than 70 places that >> teach it. >> >> Cindy Heazlit >> >> Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >> To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >> as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >> Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:37:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:36:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:36:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:34:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:33:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emed.upmc.edu (pphled03.dwing.upmc.edu [128.147.175.164]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 09:33:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EMERG_MED/SpoolDir by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 19 May 99 09:38:26 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by EMERG_MED (Mercury 1.30); 19 May 99 09:38:25 -0500 Received: from grandeyjt.1upmc-puh by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 19 May 99 09:28:58 -0500 From: "Jack T. Grandey" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 09:22:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01bea1fa$b1923e80$9e3e9380@grandeyjt.1upmc-puh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <3742309F.896C8472@inetone.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P240F0.CNM A weeklong WEMT class will be offered in Beverly, WV from 14-22 Aug. 1999. Full details are available @: http://svis.org/erncrc/ncrc.htm JTG Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P       Operations Director   Wilderness EMS Institute     http://www.wemsi.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Gabriel Thomas Sent: Tuesday, May 18, 1999 23:32 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine I've been a long time subscriber to this list and really have said much. I live in West Virginia and to my knowledge there is no wilderness EMT classes available. Is there any that I am not aware of or any within the area, such as Ohio, Virginia, marland, kentucky or Tennessee? Or is there any other courses that are related to wilderness medicine? Thanks, Gabe cheazlit@ix.netcom.com wrote: > As an addition to the thread on careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine... > > I just completed my Wilderness First Responder training with the Wilderness > Medicine Institute (http://www.wildernessmed.com/). I really thought it was > top notch. It is clear that these folks are doing research in wilderness > medicine as well as teaching it. There are plenty of opportunities to work as > an instructor in the teaching field. > > I would also suggest contacting the Wilderness Medical Society about careers > (http://www.wms.org/ or email them at: wms@wms.org). Wilderness Medicine is > becoming a specialty unto itself. There are now more than 70 places that > teach it. > > Cindy Heazlit > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:32:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:31:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:31:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:28:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:27:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com (imo26.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.70]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:27:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Kcub1@aol.com Received: from Kcub1@aol.com (7987) by imo26.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hKOJa01068; Wed, 19 May 1999 11:26:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 11:26:00 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu CC: musica@inetone.net (Gabriel Thomas) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P640F0.CNM Gabe...another teaching institution located in Colorado; but will teach at your site, is Wilderness Medicine Outfitters- visit their website at www.wildernessmedicine.com..Keith Cubbedge Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:53:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:52:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:52:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:52:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:51:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:51:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Ralphwolf@aol.com Received: from Ralphwolf@aol.com (8034) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hATHa02744 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 08:51:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <45e61274.24740dbd@aol.com> Date: Wed, 19 May 1999 08:51:09 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Courses in Wilderness Emergency Medicine To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 41 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P172A0.CNM Wilderness Medical Associates (http://www.wildmed.com/) offer courses in NY, PA, in fact just about anywhere. Very cost efficient to sponsor a course! I'd call. Mark Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:36:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:35:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:35:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:35:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.4]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 00:35:21 -0400 (EDT) From: cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA11055; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:34:46 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:34:46 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca5-96.ix.netcom.com(209.109.234.96) by dfw-ix4.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma011037; Tue May 18 23:34:41 1999 To: musica@inetone.net To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-Id: <199851921313536334@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P73ED0.CNM On 05/18/99 23:31:44 you wrote: > >I've been a long time subscriber to this list and really have said much. I live in >West Virginia and to my knowledge there is no wilderness EMT classes available. Is >there any that I am not aware of or any within the area, such as Ohio, Virginia, >marland, kentucky or Tennessee? Or is there any other courses that are related to >wilderness medicine? Thanks, > Gabe The Wilderness Medicine Institute currently does not operate east of the Rockies. There are, however, several other providers in Wilderness Medicine that are available. Solo (http://www.stonehearth.com/) offers courses for Wilderness EMT. They also offer upgrages from EMT-B to Wilderness EMT. Most of their classes are in the New Hampshire area, but some are in NC, VA, and WV. The Eastern region of the National Cave Rescue Commission has an upgrade class from EMT to W-EMT (http://svis.org/erncrc/wl1999.htm). It is in August near Beverly, WV. The Wilderness Emergency Medical Services Institute (WEMSI) also has an EMT upgrade (http://www.wemsi.org/). The current set of classes are in PA. Wilderness Medical Associates (http://www.wildmed.com/) offer courses in both WEMT and an upgrage from EMT to W-EMT. Their classes are in ME, FL, GA, TN (and western states too). Hope that will do you! Cindy Heazlit Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:34:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:34:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:34:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:33:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:33:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.inetone.net (mail.inetone.net [206.105.172.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:33:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from inetone.net [208.26.98.36] by mail.inetone.net with ESMTP (SMTPD32-5.01) id A1C6707201D4; Tue, 18 May 1999 23:36:38 EST Message-ID: <3742309F.896C8472@inetone.net> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 23:31:44 -0400 From: Gabriel Thomas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine References: <1998519174724319169@ix.netcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P121B0.CNM I've been a long time subscriber to this list and really have said much. I live in West Virginia and to my knowledge there is no wilderness EMT classes available. Is there any that I am not aware of or any within the area, such as Ohio, Virginia, marland, kentucky or Tennessee? Or is there any other courses that are related to wilderness medicine? Thanks, Gabe cheazlit@ix.netcom.com wrote: > As an addition to the thread on careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine... > > I just completed my Wilderness First Responder training with the Wilderness > Medicine Institute (http://www.wildernessmed.com/). I really thought it was > top notch. It is clear that these folks are doing research in wilderness > medicine as well as teaching it. There are plenty of opportunities to work as > an instructor in the teaching field. > > I would also suggest contacting the Wilderness Medical Society about careers > (http://www.wms.org/ or email them at: wms@wms.org). Wilderness Medicine is > becoming a specialty unto itself. There are now more than 70 places that > teach it. > > Cindy Heazlit > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:54:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:52:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:52:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.13]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 20:52:11 -0400 (EDT) From: cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id TAA04021; Tue, 18 May 1999 19:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 19:51:08 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sji-ca12-117.ix.netcom.com(205.186.214.245) by dfw-ix13.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma003943; Tue May 18 19:50:28 1999 To: siamese@slic.com To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-Id: <1998519174724319169@ix.netcom.com> Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine X-Mailer: Netcomplete v4.0, from NETCOM On-Line Communications, Inc. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4B5F0.CNM As an addition to the thread on careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine... I just completed my Wilderness First Responder training with the Wilderness Medicine Institute (http://www.wildernessmed.com/). I really thought it was top notch. It is clear that these folks are doing research in wilderness medicine as well as teaching it. There are plenty of opportunities to work as an instructor in the teaching field. I would also suggest contacting the Wilderness Medical Society about careers (http://www.wms.org/ or email them at: wms@wms.org). Wilderness Medicine is becoming a specialty unto itself. There are now more than 70 places that teach it. Cindy Heazlit Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:07:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:05:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:04:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp3.mindspring.com (smtp3.mindspring.com [207.69.200.33]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LOCALNAME (user-38lcctn.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.51.183]) by smtp3.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id WAA31638 for ; Wed, 19 May 1999 22:04:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.1.16.19990518215926.38ff53ae@pop.mindspring.com> X-Sender: pmturner@pop.mindspring.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (16) Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 21:59:26 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Patton Turner Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine In-Reply-To: <004601bea231$2bfdc0a0$08c4a2d0@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P19600.CNM At 03:52 PM 5/19/99 -0400, you wrote: > Hello Gabe, > >I also live in the MOUNTAIN STATE ,and would suggest the Wood Co. >Fire School. >Now , I can't say they will have everything you are looking for , but >did have many classes on Emergency response. >Most Assuredly Hound !!! Do you have a POC or even a city? Pat Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: From: Self To: "Marlow MACHT" Subject: Re: Repeated off-topic postings by David Grogan Cc: "Charles P. Kollar, w-emed list co-owner" Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 17:13:03 -0400 Sigh. I have emailed Mr. Grogan in the past asking him not to post off-topic, and warned him that he'd be cut off if he did it again, so yes. Chuck, I'll forward one of his messages with all of the headers. Will you please help me track down his real subscription (if he has one) and help prevent him from posting to the list again? On 16 May 99, at 23:32, Marlow MACHT wrote: > Dear Dr. Conover, > > Mr. Grogan has repeatedly posted profane off-topic drivel to the list. > Rather than starting a flame war, may I respectfully request that he no > longer be allowed to post? > > Thank you, > > Marlow Macht > > MARCH-OCTOBER > Alaska Fire Service AK-352 > PO Box 35005/1513 Gaffney Road > Fort Wainwright, Alaska 99703 > Home: (907) 356-1015 > Pager: (907) 496-5892 > > PERMANENT > 2121 Reed Road > Hood River, Oregon 97031 > Tel/Fax: (541) 386-1636 > mmacht@usa.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of > David Grogan Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 12:17 PM To: cEllis79@webtv.net; > emt-ps@webtv.net; SistasE@aol.com; > wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; wind4flyte@aol.com; > shanm@webtv.net; homer@execnet.net; medick@hotmail.com; vc@execnet.net; > Monypit@Juno.com; angelface45@mailcity.com; Dnor25@aol.com; > dspiker@pathway.net; gjport@Juno.com; MzKymz@webtv.net; > Resq_Doll@webtv.com; medic101@mailcity.com; nikki170@aol.com; > timothy.maloney@cwix.com; vocblack@total.net; flyte104@aol.com; > fyrfyter@webtv.net; medic009@webtv.net; romclehs@nauticom.net; > spyderzapr@aol.com Subject: W-EMED hello all Importance: Low > > > hey jus thought i would tell everyone that ive been off the net for awhile > since i moved to the "big boring city" but you can still email me at this > email addy cuz ill stilll be checking at least once a week so dont send > any bullshit please gets kinda visious in the in box lol well wish > everyone luck > > DAVE > ___________________________________________________________________ > Sent via BigAssWeb - free email service at http://www.bigassweb.com > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:54:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:54:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:52:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from selectrec.net (mail.selectrec.net [209.184.56.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 10:52:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jgreen (209.184.56.51) by selectrec.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Tue, 18 May 1999 09:52:33 -0500 Message-ID: <000801bea13d$e34ffe20$3338b8d1@jgreen> From: "John and Lori Green" To: References: <1285094072-1457859@clarityconnect.com> Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: cave rescue Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 09:51:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P74210.CNM If you need more info, please feel free to contact me. We have created several cave rescue protocols and in process of a state-wide contingency. John Green NCRC - South Central Regional Coordinator Austin Fire Dept - Technical Rescue Instructor USAR TX-TF1 - Rescue Specialist Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:48:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:47:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:47:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:47:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.clarityconnect.com (smtp.clarityconnect.com [206.64.143.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 08:46:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from clarityconnect.com (206.64.143.5) by smtp.clarityconnect.com with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.3d1); Tue, 18 May 1999 08:46:40 -0400 Received: from ndh (207.198.30.239) by clarityconnect.com with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.2.3d2); Tue, 18 May 1999 07:53:45 -0400 X-Sender: ndh@lightlink.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 07:53:12 -0400 To: resqman@asheboro.com From: nigel dyson-hudson Subject: W-EMED Re: cave rescue Cc: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu In-Reply-To: <87f1b656.2472358b@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Message-ID: <1285094072-1457859@clarityconnect.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3B5C0.CNM billy, others, sorry if you already have the info and this is noise www.caves.org - The National Speleological Society - dedicated to cave study, conservation and exploration http://svis.org/erncrc/erncrc.htm - Eastern Region of the National Cave Rescue Commission http://svis.org/erncrc/links.htm - ER-NCRC, Links At 11:16 PM 5/17/99 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 5/17/99 11:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >resqman@asheboro.com writes: > >> I need some help. Can someone provide me with details for a basic, yet >> comprehensive program for cave rescue, preferably reasonbly priced and in >> the >> Southeast US? >Have you posted your request to the NCRC mailing list, or checked out the >ER-NCRC web site? > >Jeff >http://mediccom.org/public/~smart/index.html >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > nigel dyson-hudson "mad dogs and Englishmen" and I am both! MCNE & Internet Fundi InternetSmiths, Inc. 10 Slators Ln Newfield, NY 14867-9737 607-564-7983, FAX 607-564-7993 ndh@InternetSmiths.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:47:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:14:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:12:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:12:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asheboro.com (mail1.communityweb.net [206.100.234.124]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:12:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asheboro.com [207.2.238.223] by asheboro.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A023ED40166; Tue, 18 May 1999 05:17:23 EDT Message-ID: <37412EB8.6651D767@asheboro.com> Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 05:11:20 -0400 From: "Billy Leach, Jr" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine References: <87f1b656.2472358b@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P55D70.CNM Jeff, No, I haven't. Please provide the site address. Thanks. Billy JHowel@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 5/17/99 11:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > resqman@asheboro.com writes: > > > I need some help. Can someone provide me with details for a basic, yet > > comprehensive program for cave rescue, preferably reasonbly priced and in > > the > > Southeast US? > Have you posted your request to the NCRC mailing list, or checked out the > ER-NCRC web site? > > Jeff > http://mediccom.org/public/~smart/index.html > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:49:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:49:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:48:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asheboro.com (mail1.communityweb.net [206.100.234.124]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:48:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from asheboro.com [207.2.238.130] by asheboro.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A649E6C0166; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:54:01 EDT Message-ID: <3740D4D7.DD343E1A@asheboro.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 22:47:51 -0400 From: "Billy Leach, Jr" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.02 [en]C-DIAL (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine References: <133ed360.24721adb@aol.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4DF351DC8704934E394783B8" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 570950016 0 1 P53B30.CNM --------------4DF351DC8704934E394783B8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need some help. Can someone provide me with details for a basic, yet comprehensive program for cave rescue, preferably reasonbly priced and in the Southeast US? One other item, what are you folks using to heat IV fluids and oxygen? THANKS! Billy Caverbru@aol.com wrote: > Makes a lot more sense to me. > We cavers do the same thing. > Everyone carries their personal caving gear. > The special gear gets split up. > Bru Randall > ER, NCRC > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu --------------4DF351DC8704934E394783B8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I need some help.   Can someone provide me with details for a basic, yet comprehensive program for cave rescue, preferably reasonbly priced and in the Southeast US?

One other item, what are you folks using to heat IV fluids and oxygen?  THANKS!
Billy

Caverbru@aol.com wrote:

Makes a lot more sense to me.
We cavers do the same thing.
Everyone carries their personal caving gear.
The special gear gets split up.
Bru Randall
ER, NCRC
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In-Reply-To: <8858a22c.2470a9c1@aol.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P38260.CNM At 07:07 PM 5/16/99 EDT, you wrote: >Can I get some opinions on deterioration of kit supplies over time & in >extreme temp change situations( like cars or cabins to extended stays in >tents - winter/summer? >In particular: meds, adhesives on dressings, batteries, pressure packed >supplies, anything with an expiration date.... The below is an excerpt from a discussion I had with several people regarding the risks of freezing sold dose forms (I maintained there was no risk, and that the drugs were already "frozen" at the USP recommended storage conditions). These sources might be of interest. From the second article, I got the impression that most common risk from freezing a injectable product was a failure of the packaging. Next time I'm home I'll cross the paper with the WMS medkit contents list and post any relevent data. "Effects of Cold and Freezing Temperatures on Pharmaceutical Dossage Forms" by Maria Cutie, an Asst Prof of pharmacy at Rutgers. Published in the Jan 80 issue of D&CI (Drug and Chemical Industry). The article was also published, slightly amended in US Pharmacist in October 89. This article goes into depth on what might be expected from freezing drugs - injectiable biologicals to antibacterial ointments. No mention is made of solid forms of drugs Finally: Report #963, Naval Submarine Medical Research Laboratoty. "Drugs exposed to extreme cold". This report concerns itself with 68 of the 153 drugs in the 668 Authorized Medical Allowance List [for Hospital Company] (AMAL). These 68 drugs were listed as requiring protection from freezing, and the report goes on to explore the effects of freezing on the particular drugs. None of the 68 drugs is a solid oral med, most are injectable drugs or fluids. I have not been able to obtain a copy of the AMAL, but have been assured it contains many solid meds including antibiotics. I think it is obvious that the US Dept of Defense feels these drugs are not affected by freezing. As to storing batteries, heat increases the rate of self discharge both due to leakage curents (since heat increases voltage slightly) and chemical reactions (the old 10 deg C rule). Cold improves the storage life of batteries. As for use, cold temperatures will reduce the voltage, so the battery will deliever less power and fail faster if not warmed up. This is less of a problem with lithium cells. If you want actual voltage vs temperature curves for a given chemistry, check out one of the battery handbooks. Pat Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:20:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:19:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:18:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:18:01 -0400 (EDT) From: JHowel@aol.com Received: from JHowel@aol.com (14416) by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hJYEa05662 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 23:16:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <87f1b656.2472358b@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 23:16:27 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5AC60.CNM In a message dated 5/17/99 11:04:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, resqman@asheboro.com writes: > I need some help. Can someone provide me with details for a basic, yet > comprehensive program for cave rescue, preferably reasonbly priced and in > the > Southeast US? Have you posted your request to the NCRC mailing list, or checked out the ER-NCRC web site? Jeff http://mediccom.org/public/~smart/index.html Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:25:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:24:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:24:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo13.mx.aol.com (imo13.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:24:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Caverbru@aol.com Received: from Caverbru@aol.com (4530) by imo13.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hWBNa09693 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 21:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <133ed360.24721adb@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 21:22:35 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4DE40.CNM Makes a lot more sense to me. We cavers do the same thing. Everyone carries their personal caving gear. The special gear gets split up. Bru Randall ER, NCRC Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:14:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:12:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:11:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za (jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za [196.11.62.112]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 16:11:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mweb.co.za (rnb-ts531-089.mweb.co.za) by mweb.co.za (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0FBW001R983D06@mweb.co.za> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Mon, 17 May 1999 22:11:39 +0200 (GMT-2) Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 16:28:35 +0200 From: Dylan Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <37402792.912003A0@mweb.co.za> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Corel-MessageType: EMail References: <199905130241.WAA27136@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <19990516.225542.13430.0.pcrs242@juno.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P469E0.CNM Hi > carries a weapon, qualified like them. His personal SAR pack is divided > between the other team members and his pack is a very fancy Medical kit. EEEK! The way work out here (SA) is that YOU carry YOUR personal kit - irrespective of who you are, or what else is your responsibility. If you get separated from the group (e.g. abduction by aliens, or just tripping off the foot path) a sleeping bag will keep you much warmer than a dose of Nifidepine, or three asprin. Our Doc carries his own personal gear, and a few of us split up his med kit. Ductape Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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(was W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine) To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <37402646.7ACA558F@mweb.co.za> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Corel-MessageType: EMail References: <199905162114.RAA07079@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P43700.CNM All the toys we carry.... On our team (South Africa) we carry a *minimum* of: 48 hours food (plus everything needed to prepare it - e.g. stove if needed) bivvy gear (sleeping bag, bivvy bag, etc.) minimal technical gear (just enough to get winched in/out of a helo) small medical kit (size depends on qualification - mine runs at around 1kg) warm & wet gear helo signaling kit (helograph, dayglow panel) at least two torches, with spare batteries and bulbs cell-phone or 2-way radio if owned/supplied water (I carry at least 1l, often over 7l, and always have at least 7l of containers) a good sense of humour! Beyond this, everything is mission, position, or special-environment specific (e.g snow shoes, IV fluids, K9 harness, or jammers.) If you can keep yourself from being a victim for at least 48 hours, then you can concentrate on your second responsibility - getting some other sod out of trouble. Ductape Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 03:35:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for kconover@pop.pitt.edu; Mon, 17 May 1999 03:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail for kconover+@pitt.edu; Mon, 17 May 1999 03:35:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from calvino.alaska.net (root@calvino.alaska.net [209.112.130.6]) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 03:35:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from presario-1622 (243-p54.fbk.alaska.net [209.112.151.243]) by calvino.alaska.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA06790 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:35:15 -0800 (AKDT) Reply-To: From: "Marlow MACHT" To: Subject: Repeated off-topic postings by David Grogan Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 23:32:39 -0800 Message-ID: <001501bea037$723872a0$f39770d1@presario-1622> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 5 (Lowest) X-MSMail-Priority: Low X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Low X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P453A0.CNM Dear Dr. Conover, Mr. Grogan has repeatedly posted profane off-topic drivel to the list. Rather than starting a flame war, may I respectfully request that he no longer be allowed to post? Thank you, Marlow Macht MARCH-OCTOBER Alaska Fire Service AK-352 PO Box 35005/1513 Gaffney Road Fort Wainwright, Alaska 99703 Home: (907) 356-1015 Pager: (907) 496-5892 PERMANENT 2121 Reed Road Hood River, Oregon 97031 Tel/Fax: (541) 386-1636 mmacht@usa.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu] On Behalf Of David Grogan Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 12:17 PM To: cEllis79@webtv.net; emt-ps@webtv.net; SistasE@aol.com; wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; wind4flyte@aol.com; shanm@webtv.net; homer@execnet.net; medick@hotmail.com; vc@execnet.net; Monypit@Juno.com; angelface45@mailcity.com; Dnor25@aol.com; dspiker@pathway.net; gjport@Juno.com; MzKymz@webtv.net; Resq_Doll@webtv.com; medic101@mailcity.com; nikki170@aol.com; timothy.maloney@cwix.com; vocblack@total.net; flyte104@aol.com; fyrfyter@webtv.net; medic009@webtv.net; romclehs@nauticom.net; spyderzapr@aol.com Subject: W-EMED hello all Importance: Low hey jus thought i would tell everyone that ive been off the net for awhile since i moved to the "big boring city" but you can still email me at this email addy cuz ill stilll be checking at least once a week so dont send any bullshit please gets kinda visious in the in box lol well wish everyone luck DAVE ___________________________________________________________________ Sent via BigAssWeb - free email service at http://www.bigassweb.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:24:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:23:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:23:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.12]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:22:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id XAA04750 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:22:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: from csp-co6-54.ix.netcom.com(206.217.108.246) by dfw-ix12.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma004654; Sun May 16 23:21:02 1999 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:23:27 -0600 Message-ID: <01BE9FEA.B83B24C0.cstew@ix.netcom.com> From: cstew To: "'wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu'" Subject: RE: W-EMED Kit Abuse? Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:03:20 -0600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P6D010.CNM There was a study a few years back in annals of EM and another in AM J. EM that studied the deterioration of medications stored in ambulances in heat and cold. I don't have the references offhand, but will get them. Got them.... as well as a few others. I can only vouch for the first two in the list... I haven't read the others. Hope this helps you with the problem of hot (or cold) drugs. Batteries just aren't my forte. >-----Original Message----- >From: Ralphwolf@aol.com [SMTP:Ralphwolf@aol.com] >Sent: Sunday, May 16, 1999 5:08 PM >To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >Subject: W-EMED Kit Abuse? > >Can I get some opinions on deterioration of kit supplies over time & in >extreme temp change situations 1 TITLE: Thermal stability of prehospital medications. AUTHORS: Valenzuela TD, et al. SOURCE: Ann Emerg Med. 1989 Feb;18(2):173-6. CIT. IDS:PMID: 2916782 UI: 89133190 2 TITLE: Effect of extreme temperatures on drugs for prehospital ACLS. AUTHORS: Johansen RB, et al. SOURCE: Am J Emerg Med. 1993 Sep;11(5):450-2. CIT. IDS:PMID: 8363680 UI: 93371608 3 TITLE: Additional stability guidelines for routinely refrigerated drug products. AUTHORS: Ross MB SOURCE: Am J Hosp Pharm. 1988 Jul;45(7):1498-9. No abstract available. CIT. IDS:PMID: 3414714 UI: 88324474 4 TITLE: Environmental temperature variations cause degradations in epinephrine concentration and biological activity. AUTHORS: Grant TA, et al. SOURCE: Am J Emerg Med. 1994 May;12(3):319-22. CIT. IDS:PMID: 8179739 UI: 94235071 5 TITLE: Drugs past their expiration date. AUTHORS: [No authors listed] SOURCE: Med Lett Drugs Ther. 1996 Jul 19;38(979):65-6. No abstract available. CIT. IDS:PMID: 8692075 UI: 96295423 6 TITLE: Approaches to drug stability. AUTHORS: Taylor RB SOURCE: Pharm Res. 1988 Apr;5(4):250. No abstract available. CIT. IDS:PMID: 3247306 UI: 89240426 7 TITLE: Storing medications safely. AUTHORS: Skeist R, et al. SOURCE: Geriatr Nurs (New York). 1981 Nov-Dec;2(6):429-32, 441. No abstract available. CIT. IDS:PMID: 6916674 UI: 82140254 8 TITLE: The storage of drugs. AUTHORS: Hopkins SJ SOURCE: Nurs Times. 1969 Apr 10;65(15):459-61. No abstract available. CIT. IDS:PMID: 5778888 UI: 69160485 9 TITLE: Expiration dating needed to ensure medications' potency, safety, suitability for use. AUTHORS: Bowles GC Jr SOURCE: Mod Hosp. 1972 Nov;119(5):130. No abstract available. CIT. IDS:PMID: 5080106 UI: 73025493 10 TITLE: Drug expiry dates, storage, and potency. AUTHORS: Hogerzeil HV, et al. SOURCE: Lancet. 1988 Nov 5;2(8619):1083. No abstract available. CIT. IDS:PMID: 2903313 UI: 89038787 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gain victory with courage and protect your empire with changes in attitudes and constant study. ========== Sun Tzu The Art of War====== Charles Stewart Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:03:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:02:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:00:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m4.boston.juno.com (m4.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.198]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 23:00:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from pcrs242@juno.com) by m4.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EASRAZD8; Sun, 16 May 1999 22:59:36 EDT To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 22:55:41 -0400 Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine Message-ID: <19990516.225542.13430.0.pcrs242@juno.com> References: <199905130241.WAA27136@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,7,13-16 From: Deborah M Gessner Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P220B0.CNM Hope this helps with SAR career for 16 yr. old The last SAR training I went to there was a group of Deputies from Smyth Co. Sheriff's Dept (Va.) these guys were on the tact team too. One of their team members is a Doctor. He works part time I be leave in the ER and works for the sheriff's Dept. Now I do know about pay but he trains with the others in everything carries a weapon, qualified like them. His personal SAR pack is divided between the other team members and his pack is a very fancy Medical kit. It weighs between 25-40 lbs. has IV's, Medicine, just about anything you can think of. If you need any information about it I am sure you could contact them and get some information. I have a fax # for them fax:1-540-783-1911 LWH-SAR 1 Va. longwayhome-sar@juno.com ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:27:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:27:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:27:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:25:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:24:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hedic.org (hedic@hedic.org [192.41.21.72]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 20:24:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from esar.org (d2-106.snider.net [205.218.213.106]) by hedic.org (8.8.5) id TAA07427; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:24:14 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hedic.org: Host d2-106.snider.net [205.218.213.106] claimed to be esar.org Message-ID: <373F60F8.1C40C91C@esar.org> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:21:12 -0500 From: Chris Lipsmeyer X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine References: <199905162114.RAA07079@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------3FC77C82A4825920BDAA18E9" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 570949760 0 1 P43160.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3FC77C82A4825920BDAA18E9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If you are looking for what you should carry in your SAR pack, you should consider following the minimum standards of NASAR's search and rescue technician either type II or type I/ crewleadeer III. I have included the URL for the SARTECH II standards along with some additions that our team has made. The SARTECH I list is similar, but has increased quantities, made some optional items required, and has additional rope gear. Hope I could be of some assistance Chris Lipsmeyer clips@esar.org Michelle Schonzeit wrote: > Thanks for the replies that everyone gave me! Now I've got some more avenues > to look into for a career. At least, though, I've got another full year of > high school before college, so I still have some time. > Meanwhile, I still have a lot of time to enjoy SAR as a volunteer, > which leads me to another question. How much and what do most of you carry > in your typical pack for SAR? > I realize this is dictated buy the terrain, type of search, and > season. However, I always am grappling with how much I should carry. I'm > still very new to SAR, and I don't want to be underprepared, but sometimes I > think I'd kill myself carrying a pack with everything I want. I do try be > prepared to at least bivwack a night if I had to- although it might not be a > very comfortable night! > I'm also curious what items people find most useful in their > packs?With ski patrol I've run into some very creative ideas for equipment > that really works. I.E. A turkey baster can work very well for lightweight > portable suction. Any thoughts...? > 73, > Michelle > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Michelle Schonzeit http://www.angelfire.com/mt/schonzeit > Plattsburgh, NY- USA ICQ #18273165 Amateur Radio- KC2EPZ > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu --------------3FC77C82A4825920BDAA18E9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii; name="equip_listII.html" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="equip_listII.html" Content-Base: "http://esar.org/equip_listII.html" Content-Location: "http://esar.org/equip_listII.html" SarTech II&III Equipment list

ESAR POST 393

24 HOUR READY PACK

SAR TECH III & II

(This is the NASAR 24 Hour ready pack with additional items required by ESAR Post 393)
PERSONAL FIRST AID KIT
 
1- Container or bag suitable for kit 2-  Pair of latex gloves
4- Acetaminophen or aspirin tablets 1-  Razor blade single edge
4-  Antacid tablets 1-  Roller bandage (not an ace bandage)
2- Antiseptic cleansing pads 2- Safety pins, large
1- Antiseptic ointment 1- Scissors multi-purpose
6- Band-Aids, various sizes 1- Splinter forceps, tweezers
2- Cotton swabs, non-sterile 2- Sterile dressings, package 
(4x4 gauze pads)
1-  Moleskin
2- Towelette, clean 1- Space blanket
 
PERSONAL SURVIVAL KIT
 
 
1-  Container or bag suitable for kit  2- Means of starting fire, (other than matches already required)
1- Candle long burning 
2- Duct tape, 5-10 ft. 1-  Nylon twine or Small rope, 50 ft. 
1- Insect repellent  1-  Shelter material, 8x10, plastic or coated nylon
2- Leaf bags, Large
1- Lip balm with sunscreen 1- Sunscreen lotion
1- Quarter and Dime for phone call 1- Water purification, tabs or other method
1- Mirror, small (signaling)
8- Matches in a waterproof container 1-  Whistle
1- Metal cup or pot
 
PERSONAL SAR EQUIPMENT
 
 
4- Bags, various sizes, zip lock 1- Orange vest
3- Bandanna, handkerchief 1- Pack, 1800 cubic in. (minimum)
1- Carabiner, locking, aluminum (D shaped) 1- Pad and pencil
1- Carabiner, locking, aluminum (Pear shaped) 2- Prusik cords, 6-8mm, 6ft. length
1- Clothing bag, waterproof 1- Rainwear, durable, (no ponchos)
1- Clothing, adequate for climate (Post Uniform) 1- SAR personal ID
1- Clothing, extra set, adequate for climate 1- Socks, extra pair
1- Compass, Orienteering 1- Tally beads or counter
2- Flagging tape, rolls 1- Tissue paper 
2- Flashlights, extra bulbs and batteries 1- Tracking stick, 42 in. minimum
1- Footwear, sturdy, adequate for climate 1- UTM  grid reader 
1- Gloves, leather 1- Watch
1- Goggles or eye protection, clear  2- Water containers, at least 1 liter size
1- Knife, multi-purpose 1- Webbing, 1" tubular, length suitable for harness
2- Lights, (chemical glow lights) 
Meals, nonperishable 1- Wire, 5-10 ft., woven steel
Measuring device, 18 in. minimum 8-  Wire ties, plastic
OPTIONAL PERSONAL SUPPORT EQUIPMENT RECOMMENDED BUT NOT REQUIRED
 
 
 
4- Antihistamine, 25 mg Benadryl 1- Sterno or stove
1-  Foam pad 1-  Sun glasses, 97% UV protection
1- Gaiters, pair 1-  Trail snacks
1- Rain cover, pack 1-  Water container, extra
6- Stakes (for shelter material) 1- Cap, black with post patch
 
 
ESAR POST 393
SEARCH UNIFORM
1- Belt, black, (always worn with BDU pants)
1-  Helmet, red, with appropriate stickers
1- Pant, BDU style, black
1- T-shirt, green, ESAR
1- Shirt, Orange, with patches:
 
 Name tape 
     Over right pocket
     Full width of pocket
     Touching pocket top
 ESAR Tape
     Over left pocket
     Full width of pocket
     Touching pocket top
 ESAR Post Patch
     Centered over left pocket
     One in. above ESAR tape
 ARSARA Patch
     Centered over right pocket
     One in. above name tape
     Charter member patch underneath (if appropriate)
 SAR Tech & NASAR Patch
     Centered on right arm
     One in. below shoulder seam
     SAR Tech patch on top
     NASAR patch touching SAR Tech rocker
     Evaluator or Coordinator rockers underneath, touching NASAR Patch
 Medical certification
     Centered on left arm
     One in. below shoulder seam
     Rockers, if appropriate, touching patch
 

Left and right are for wearer.
If rockers are used on patches measurements are to rocker not patch.
 

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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:17:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:17:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:16:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:16:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:50 -0400 (EDT) From: JHowel@aol.com Received: from JHowel@aol.com (7998) by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hNDFa03059 for ; Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <69c31cdb.2470f1c6@aol.com> Date: Mon, 17 May 1999 00:15:02 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6FBF0.CNM In a message dated 5/16/99 11:15:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, pcrs242@Juno.com writes: > One of > their team members is a Doctor When our team was created, it was initially set up as a tactical medical team for local law enforcement. Members were, at first, strictly civilians with no LE power; most were EMTs and paramedics, though there were (and still are) a couple of MDs. Members completed CONTOMS training. As time went on, one local sheriff that the team works with wanted everyone to have LE powers, so he set it up so that everyone on the team was sworn in as a reserve officer, giving them full LE powers to include carrying weapons and power of arrest. Primary reason for this was to preserve the chain of custody. For example, a tactical medic goes in to take care of a suspect who was shot during a drug raid. Under the old "rules," a LEO had to accompany the medic in order to preserve chain of custody of that suspect. With the medic being sworn, he/she can maintain chain of custody without the extra "body" shadowing. As time went on and the team became more involved in LE activities rather than just medical, the tactical part of the team split off from the SAR/disaster part and is now an entirely separate organization. One primary reason for the split is for liability purposes. I know at least one of the MDs on the tactical team who not only carries a handgun, he is also licensed and proficient in heavy weaponry, such as Uzi's, Mac's, etc. Interesting combination I'd say. Yours in Service, Jeff Howell, EMT (et al) Vice President & Communications Officer S.M.A.R.T., Inc. (NDMS DMAT IN-4) http://mediccom.org/public/~smart/index.html Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:16:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:14:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:14:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buzz.slic.com (buzz.slic.com [206.25.233.41]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 17:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 17:14:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905162114.RAA07079@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Received: (qmail 19658 invoked by uid 0); 16 May 1999 21:14:39 -0000 Received: from keeseville-tty10.slic.com (HELO siamese) (206.150.83.42) by buzz.slic.com with SMTP; 16 May 1999 21:14:39 -0000 X-Sender: siamese@slic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Michelle Schonzeit Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6D310.CNM Thanks for the replies that everyone gave me! Now I've got some more avenues to look into for a career. At least, though, I've got another full year of high school before college, so I still have some time. Meanwhile, I still have a lot of time to enjoy SAR as a volunteer, which leads me to another question. How much and what do most of you carry in your typical pack for SAR? I realize this is dictated buy the terrain, type of search, and season. However, I always am grappling with how much I should carry. I'm still very new to SAR, and I don't want to be underprepared, but sometimes I think I'd kill myself carrying a pack with everything I want. I do try be prepared to at least bivwack a night if I had to- although it might not be a very comfortable night! I'm also curious what items people find most useful in their packs?With ski patrol I've run into some very creative ideas for equipment that really works. I.E. A turkey baster can work very well for lightweight portable suction. Any thoughts...? 73, Michelle ___________________________________________________________________ Michelle Schonzeit http://www.angelfire.com/mt/schonzeit Plattsburgh, NY- USA ICQ #18273165 Amateur Radio- KC2EPZ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:09:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:09:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:08:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:08:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:08:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ralphwolf@aol.com Received: from Ralphwolf@aol.com (3962) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hNVVa02835 for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 19:07:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <8858a22c.2470a9c1@aol.com> Date: Sun, 16 May 1999 19:07:45 EDT Subject: W-EMED Kit Abuse? To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 2.5 for Windows Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P18000.CNM Can I get some opinions on deterioration of kit supplies over time & in extreme temp change situations( like cars or cabins to extended stays in tents - winter/summer? In particular: meds, adhesives on dressings, batteries, pressure packed supplies, anything with an expiration date.... Thank you, Mark Rogacki Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:56:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:55:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:55:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:54:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from impulse.net (mail.impulse.net [204.188.6.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:54:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 969 invoked by alias); 16 May 1999 04:54:33 -0000 Received: from hr1-209-234-185-144.impulse.net (HELO compaq) (209.234.185.144) by mail.impulse.net with SMTP; 16 May 1999 04:54:33 -0000 From: "Mike Lynch" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Is coca-cola hypertonic? - Correction Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:54:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000801be9f58$3fc3fd60$90b9ead1@compaq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000501be9f53$564ad7c0$90b9ead1@compaq> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0F470.CNM Sorry for the re-post, but there was a significant error in my previous post on the subject of W-EMED use of coca cola - change seconds to minutes. The study subjects were humans, not hummingbirds. Corrected post below. --------- > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of > Dylan > Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 11:37 PM > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: Re: W-EMED Is coca-cola hypertonic? -Reply > ... Snip ... > > I don't have the reference, but I heard that more entrants are forced to > withdraw from the Comrades due to OVERhydration than due to DEhydration. > > Interesting (IMO) even if not generally useful in WEM. > > Dylan 'Ductape' Morgan > --------------- As an entrant in a couple of marathons (sorry, never done the Comrades) and a couple of centuries each year, one of my race objectives is to OVERhydrate. The only complication is a short timeout early in an occasional race to release the excess fluid. A study done by sports physiologists at Texas A&M a few years ago found that endurance athletes during races had pulse rates that averaged about 10 beats per minute faster for each liter of uncompensated body fluid that they lost through dehydration compared to when they were completely hydrated. Anyone engaged in a strenuous activity, from running an ultra-marathon to hiking in a mountainous area on a SAR wilderness response, should make it a point to be well hydrated. On the subject of wilderness emergency medical uses of coca-cola - I am a SAR dog handler. On a trailing assignment several months ago, my dog inhaled a small piece of bark (OK, no jokes! This is serious). Later that night, he began wheezing and pawing at his nose. I took him to the vet the next day. She removed the piece of bark and told me that an emergency field treatment for an inhaled object, like bark or foxtails, is to shake a carbonated soft drink and then open it in front of the dog's nose. The moisture from the soft drink will soften the object and the carbonation will make the dog sneeze, expelling the object. I wonder what effect carbonation and the ingredients in a soft drink has on a dog's scent capability? The vet didn't know. Mike Lynch, mlynch@impulse.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:21:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:20:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:20:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from impulse.net (mail.impulse.net [204.188.6.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 16 May 1999 00:19:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 23117 invoked by alias); 16 May 1999 04:19:24 -0000 Received: from hr1-209-234-185-144.impulse.net (HELO compaq) (209.234.185.144) by mail.impulse.net with SMTP; 16 May 1999 04:19:24 -0000 From: "Mike Lynch" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Is coca-cola hypertonic? -Reply Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 21:19:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000501be9f53$564ad7c0$90b9ead1@compaq> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2232.26 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <373D15F4.CF6558E8@mweb.co.za> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P117F0.CNM > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of > Dylan > Sent: Friday, May 14, 1999 11:37 PM > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: Re: W-EMED Is coca-cola hypertonic? -Reply > ... Snip ... > > I don't have the reference, but I heard that more entrants are forced to > withdraw from the Comrades due to OVERhydration than due to DEhydration. > > Interesting (IMO) even if not generally useful in WEM. > > Dylan 'Ductape' Morgan > --------------- As an entrant in a couple of marathons (sorry, never done the Comrades) and a couple of centuries each year, one of my race objectives is to OVERhydrate. The only complication is a short timeout early in an occasional race to release the excess fluid. A study done by sports physiologists at Texas A&M a few years ago found that endurance athletes during races had pulse rates that averaged about 10 beats per second faster for each liter of uncompensated body fluid that they lost through dehydration compared to when they were completely hydrated. Anyone engaged in a strenuous activity, from running an ultra-marathon to hiking in a mountainous area on a SAR wilderness response, should make it a point to be well hydrated. On the subject of wilderness emergency medical uses of coca-cola - I am a SAR dog handler. On a trailing assignment several months ago, my dog inhaled a small piece of bark (OK, no jokes! This is serious). Later that night, he began wheezing and pawing at his nose. I took him to the vet the next day. She removed the piece of bark and told me that an emergency field treatment for an inhaled object, like bark or foxtails, is to shake a carbonated soft drink and then open it in front of the dog's nose. The moisture from the soft drink will soften the object and the carbonation will make the dog sneeze, expelling the object. I wonder what effect carbonation and the ingredients in a soft drink has on a dog's scent capability? The vet didn't know. Mike Lynch, mlynch@impulse.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 15 May 1999 02:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 15 May 1999 02:35:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 15 May 1999 02:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 15 May 1999 02:33:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 15 May 1999 02:32:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za (jhb-proxy.mweb.co.za [196.11.62.112]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 15 May 1999 02:32:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mweb.co.za (rdg-52t1-38.mweb.co.za) by mweb.co.za (Sun Internet Mail Server sims.3.5.1999.03.02.17.58.p5) with ESMTP id <0FBR00F8JGUB0G@mweb.co.za> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Sat, 15 May 1999 08:32:36 +0200 (GMT-2) Date: Sat, 15 May 1999 08:36:36 +0200 From: Dylan Subject: Re: W-EMED Is coca-cola hypertonic? -Reply To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <373D15F4.CF6558E8@mweb.co.za> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (Win95; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Corel-MessageType: EMail References: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5CD80.CNM Hi This doesn't quite answer the posed Q, but may be interesting. Probably the most famous road-running race in South Africa is the Comrades (ultra) Marathon - approx.96km of pure joy, alternate years climbing from the coast to elevation, then the next descending (just to wreck you knees!) Bruce Fordice (probably the single most successful entrant ever, winning 10 of the events) once keeled over from dehydration - not a good omen for a win! His support crew watered down 2l Coke, added sugar, poured it down his throat, and saw him again at the end - before even half the field had passed the half-way mark! I don't have the reference, but I heard that more entrants are forced to withdraw from the Comrades due to OVERhydration than due to DEhydration. Interesting (IMO) even if not generally useful in WEM. Dylan 'Ductape' Morgan Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 16:00:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:59:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:59:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:59:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:58:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wpo.it.luc.edu (gwinet.it.luc.edu [147.126.240.26]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 15:58:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from LUCHICAGO-Message_Server by wpo.it.luc.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Fri, 14 May 1999 14:58:10 -0500 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 14:57:44 -0500 From: "Sean Stroup" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED Is coca-cola hypertonic? -Reply Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P1B820.CNM (First time writing here) I decided to send Coca-Cola a message and hopefully we'll get some reply. I also copied some info that they had on a web site to partially satisfy your curiosity. ---------- To Whom It May Concern: I am a member of a Wilderness Emergency Medicine e-mail group and a question about the ability of Coke to hydrate an individual came up. I am aware that caffine can act as a mild diuretic, but we were more interested in the tonicity of Coca-Cola with respect to normal body osmolality and the effect this would have on hydration status. Thank you, Sean Stroup Second Year Medical Student ---------------------------------------- From their Web Site: FAQ's Can soft drinks be part of a healthy diet? Soft drinks contribute to the diet in two ways. Because they are predominantly water, they can help quench thirst and meet the body~s fluid requirement -- about two quarts of liquid a day. In addition, soft drinks sweetened with sugar provide carbohydrates, which are readily available to the body for quick energy. Although soft drinks make these nutritional contributions to the diet, the Company markets them as a source of simple refreshment. Consumers wishing to control their caloric intake can also choose from our variety of low-calorie soft drinks and bottled water that are available in most markets. As long as individuals balance their food choices, any food (including soft drinks) can be part of a healthy, enjoyable diet. Some people like to think of foods as either "good" or "bad," but there~s no such thing as a "bad food" -- only "bad diets." According to most nutrition experts, the best way to ensure that you eat a good diet is to eat a variety of foods in moderation. Should I be concerned about the amount of sugar or calories in soft drinks? It may surprise you to know that the amount of sugar and calories in soft drinks is about the same as many fruit juices. An 8-ounce serving of Coca-Cola classic, for example, contains no more sugar and calories than 8 ounces of orange juice, and less sugar and fewer calories than 8 ounces of apple juice or grape juice. And, the body can~t tell the difference between the natural sugar you get from fruit juice and that added to soft drinks. Sugar and Caloric Content of Selected Foods Products, 8 oz. Sugar (grams) Calories Coca-Cola classic 27 97 orange juice 27 112 apple juice 28 111 grape juice 32 128 Source: Food Values of Portions Commonly Used, 15th ed., Pennington According to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the U.S. Surgeon General, The American Dietetic Association and the National Academy of Sciences, sugar is safe, except for the link to tooth decay. And with tooth decay, the length of time sugar, or any carbohydrate (such as rice or potato), remains in contact with the teeth is more important than the amount of sugar. Soft drinks pass quickly through the mouth and do not stick to the teeth. Sugar does not cause heart disease, cancer, diabetes or obesity. People gain weight when they consume more calories than they expend. Sugar does provide calories (4 per gram), but other digestible carbohydrates (like starch) and protein provide the same amount. And, you should know that other caloric sources, namely fat and alcohol, provide many more calories per gram than sugar does: alcohol provides 7 calories per gram, and fat provides more than twice as many as sugar (9 calories per gram). Sugar is the source of calories in regular (non-diet) soft drinks. Does sugar make children hyperactive? Definitely not. Sugar does provide energy to the body; however, making energy available by eating something sweet is not the same as causing someone to be active and excited. The concern that eating sugar makes children hyperactive originated in the mid-seventies and was based on anecdotal observations by parents and teachers. A parent would see his child eat cake and drink fruit punch at a party, for example, and then notice an increase in activity. The natural tendency was to link the hyperactive behavior to what the child consumed and to disregard other factors that may have played a role. However, well-designed studies that control for these other factors show no association between sugar consumption and hyperactive behavior. In fact, after reviewing research in this area, the FDA, the U.S. Surgeon General, The American Dietetic Association and the National Academy of Sciences have failed to find substantive evidence to prove a cause-and-effect relationship between sugar consumption and hyperactivity. Are soft drinks bad for my teeth? All common sugars, even those in fruits and starches, contribute to the development of tooth decay. It~s worth noting that as soft drink consumption has increased over the past decade, tooth decay has decreased dramatically. Three factors help explain this. First, the widespread use of fluoride in drinking water, toothpastes and mouthwashes has greatly improved dental health, making teeth more resistant to acid attack from plaque bacteria. Second, the sugar in soft drinks has minimal effect on teeth because it~s in a liquid form. The sugar passes quickly through the mouth rather than sticking to the teeth. It~s gone before it really can have an effect. Third, teeth in the mouth are constantly bathed by saliva. This helps neutralize both the acid in soft drinks and that which is produced when plaque bacteria digest sugar and other carbohydrates. Comments like "a tooth placed in a glass of Coke will disappear" are misleading. A tooth will not disappear if left in a glass of Coke. Actually, the "tooth in Coke demonstration" in no way creates a real-life situation. The teeth in your mouth are alive, not dead. They~re exposed to Coke for only a short amount of time rather than sitting for days in a glass of Coke. Any acidic beverage, including orange juice, would produce the same results. Your teeth are constantly bathed by saliva, which helps buffer the effects of acids from beverages and foods, greatly reducing any effect on tooth enamel. Finally, saliva contains minerals, such as calcium, phosphorus and fluoride, which replace any mineral loss from the tooth enamel. Do soft drinks have a lot of caffeine? While many soft drinks are caffeine-free, some contain a small amount of caffeine as part of the flavor profile. An 8-ounce serving of Coca-Cola classic has no more than 31 milligrams of caffeine, which is about one-third the amount found in the same amount of brewed coffee, and less than the caffeine content of tea. The caffeine that is added to Coca-Cola classic, diet Coke and the other products in which it is used is for flavor purposes only. We use only the amount necessary to achieve the appropriate optimum flavor profile for the particular product sold. In fact, in the United States and in many other countries, the level of caffeine in most soft drinks is well below the amount legally permitted by regulatory agencies, such as the U.S. FDA. Average Caffeine Content of Selected Foods Products Milligrams Coffee, 8 oz. Brewed, drip method 85 Instant 75 Decaffeinated, brewed 3 Tea, 8 oz. Brewed, imported brands 60 Brewed, major U.S. brands 40 Instant 28 Iced (8-oz. glass) 25 Baker's chocolate, 1 oz. 26 Dark chocolate, semi-sweet, 1 oz. 20 Cocoa beverage, 8 oz. 6 Milk chocolate, 1 oz. 6 Chocolate milk beverage, 8 oz. 5 Chocolate-flavored syrup, 1 oz. 4 Source: International Food Information Council Soft drinks, 8 oz. Mello Yello 35 diet Mello Yello 35 Surge 35 Cherry Coca-Cola 31 Coca-Cola classic 31 diet Cherry Coca-Cola 31 diet Coke 31 TAB 31 Mr. Pibb 27 diet Mr. Pibb 27 Barq~s root beer 15 Other soft drinks of Coca-Cola USA 0 Source: The Coca-Cola Company Is caffeine safe? According to the FDA, there is no evidence to show that caffeine in carbonated beverages would render these beverages injurious to health. Numerous studies have examined the relationship between caffeine and various diseases. The bulk of scientific research does not support a link between caffeine consumption and heart disease, hypertension or irregular heart rate. Results of studies looking at a possible connection between caffeine and cancer confirm the position of the American Cancer Society, which states that "there is no indication that caffeine~ is a risk factor in human cancer." Also, both the National Cancer Institute and the American Medical Association have reported no connection between caffeine intake and the occurrence of fibrocystic breast disease. And, studies involving thousands of pregnant women also fail to show an increased risk of birth defects, even among the heaviest caffeine consumers. Is caffeine addictive? It has become popular to use the word ~addiction~ loosely. People will sometimes say they are ~addicted~ to chocolate, football or watching television. But, according to the World Health Organization, ~There is no evidence whatsoever that caffeine use has even remotely comparable physical and social consequences which are associated with serious drugs of abuse.~ Some people who have consumed large quantities of products with caffeine on a regular basis and then suddenly reduce their intake substantially have reported experiencing temporary symptoms such as headaches or fatigue lasting over a two- or three-day period. Because the caffeine levels used in soft drinks are low, it is unlikely that such side effects would occur from a cessation of soft drink consumption Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:50:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:49:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:46:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from x5.boston.juno.com (x5.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.23]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:46:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from jaywiseman@juno.com) by x5.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EALDX9YU; Fri, 14 May 1999 11:46:04 EDT To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 08:46:09 -0700 Subject: W-EMED Is coca-cola hypertonic? Message-ID: <19990514.084614.13966.0.JayWiseman@juno.com> References: <199905140154.VAA01361@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-2,5-6,9-10,14-21 From: Jay J Wiseman Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P5E960.CNM Hi folks, Jay here. Say, summer is coming and with it the hot days, and with them the thirst, so I thought I would ask a question I have had for a while: Is Coca-Cola hypertonic? I confess that I have been known to imbibe the occasional can or two when thirsty, but I've been wondering for a while now if doing so was, physiologically, a good idea. If I ingest a Coke, or similar commercial soft drink, straight out of the bottle or can (with no accompanying ice), am I or am I not doing my body a favor with regards to osmolarity/osmolality/etc. (I know that caffeine is something of a diruetic, so I'm a bit worried on that point alone.) Anyway, has anybody got any actual data on this point? Regards, Jay ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 14 May 1999 20:01:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:57:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:54:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-u-56.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.166]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 13 May 1999 21:54:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905140154.VAA01361@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: Michelle Schonzeit , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 21:54:06 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine In-reply-to: <199905130241.WAA27136@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P18080.CNM On 12 May 99, at 22:41, Michelle Schonzeit wrote: > Hi, > My name is Michelle and I'm new to this list. I'm 16 and love > SAR, > ski patrolling, and anything that gives me a chance to put my first aid > knowledge to use in a outdoors setting. Hi, Michelle. Most SAR is volunteer in the U.S. It's possible to become a more-or-less dedicated rescue doctor in Switzerland, but not easy, and you'd need to learn German and train in Switzerland and even then the competition is pretty strong. There are a few paid medics who have SAR as a major part of their job, such as in LA County -- and it's possible to be a ParkMedic as a National Park Ranger in a few parks (Yellowstone, Shenandoah, others) but again the competition is pretty strong. And in most cases, SAR and SAR medicine are only a part of your job, law enforcement or street EMS taking the majority of your time. So getting someone to pay you to do just what you want to do is a bit of a problem. But as I said, most SAR is volunteer. So if you can find a day job that you like, you can then work with the local volunteer team, too. There are a fair number of doctors, nurses and medics who also work with MRA or cave rescue teams -- however, it's often easier to get off work for an operation if you have a regular office job! Good luck to you. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:32:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:31:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:31:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:01:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:01:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from helene.ts1-dvrf.kynd.net (frhcg) [208.167.52.25] by montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian)) id 10hw33-00016h-00; Thu, 13 May 1999 10:01:18 -0400 Message-ID: <009101be9d49$adf76e40$02000003@frhcg> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 10:05:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P7C920.CNM Perhaps the forestry service? or any number of the associated biological or geological sciences. Topographic engineering is also an outdoors related field. Unfortunately all will require your time to essentially make a living, (being one of those medical folks) it takes learning to balance your personal interests with your professional life, many times they overlap and other times sacrifice is made. I'm sure others on the list will agree there is nothing they would rather be doing besides spending time enjoying the wilderness and reality states equipment costs money , travel is rarely free but when the dollar isn't calling the adventure is! good Luck just make sure your choice is right in your heart and all else will fall into place. -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Schonzeit To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Wednesday, May 12, 1999 11:37 PM Subject: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine >Hi, > My name is Michelle and I'm new to this list. I'm 16 and love SAR, >ski patrolling, and anything that gives me a chance to put my first aid >knowledge to use in a outdoors setting. I'm the first student member of >Search and Rescue of the Northern Adirondacks, and the Whiteface Mt Ski >Patrol (and voted "rookie of the YEAR!"). > The reason I'm writing to this list is that I was wondering if >anyone knows of any careers that truely combine the outdoors and medicine. >I'm of course aware of professions such as EMT, Paramedic, MD etc. However, >what bothers me about something like being a doctor is that the doctors I >know spend their whole lives trapped in the hospital. I know that I love >medicine and could pull off anything I truely want to do academically, but I >can't imagine having to sacrifice family and other entities of my life (such >as the fact I love being in the mountains) to do it. Any comments, advice, >or ideas would be greatly appreciated! Meanwhile, head for the hills! >Sincerely, > Michelle Schonzeit >___________________________________________________________________ >Michelle Schonzeit http://www.angelfire.com/mt/schonzeit >Plattsburgh, NY- USA ICQ #18273165 Amateur Radio- KC2EPZ > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:28:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 14 May 1999 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:49:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:48:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from macs.mxim.com (macs.mxim.com [204.17.143.130]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 09:48:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by macs.mxim.com (8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id GAA07976 for ; Thu, 13 May 1999 06:12:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199905131312.GAA07976@macs.mxim.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.1 12/23/97 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 12 May 1999 22:41:22 EDT." <199905130241.WAA27136@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 13 May 1999 06:12:11 PDT From: Hal Lillywhite Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P1C0E0.CNM Michelle Schonzeit writes: > The reason I'm writing to this list is that I was wondering if >anyone knows of any careers that truely combine the outdoors and >medicine. There are lots of them but I don't know of any which are strictly outdoor medicine. The careers I am aware of are either outdoor stuff with medicine as a minor thing for emergencies (eg. guides) or medicine in which the medical people sometimes do outdoor stuff. For example in our area we have a few ambulance crews called "reach and treat" who will go to the scene of a wilderness accident and stablize the patient till search and rescue can get enough people there to do an evacuation. Those crews spend most of their time on standard ambulance calls however, there isn't enough demand to confine them solely to their wilderness mission. They do normally get the calls for things like ski areas etc. One other possibility is something like a nurse at a summer camp. However that work is seasonal as you would expect. Getting on a professional ski patrol is another possibility. Good luck Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:43:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:42:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:41:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from buzz.slic.com (buzz.slic.com [206.25.233.41]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 22:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 22:41:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199905130241.WAA27136@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Received: (qmail 28514 invoked by uid 0); 13 May 1999 02:41:16 -0000 Received: from chazy-tty4.slic.com (HELO siamese) (206.150.83.68) by buzz.slic.com with SMTP; 13 May 1999 02:41:16 -0000 X-Sender: siamese@slic.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Michelle Schonzeit Subject: W-EMED Careers in Wilderness Emergency Medicine Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5DAE0.CNM Hi, My name is Michelle and I'm new to this list. I'm 16 and love SAR, ski patrolling, and anything that gives me a chance to put my first aid knowledge to use in a outdoors setting. I'm the first student member of Search and Rescue of the Northern Adirondacks, and the Whiteface Mt Ski Patrol (and voted "rookie of the YEAR!"). The reason I'm writing to this list is that I was wondering if anyone knows of any careers that truely combine the outdoors and medicine. I'm of course aware of professions such as EMT, Paramedic, MD etc. However, what bothers me about something like being a doctor is that the doctors I know spend their whole lives trapped in the hospital. I know that I love medicine and could pull off anything I truely want to do academically, but I can't imagine having to sacrifice family and other entities of my life (such as the fact I love being in the mountains) to do it. Any comments, advice, or ideas would be greatly appreciated! Meanwhile, head for the hills! Sincerely, Michelle Schonzeit ___________________________________________________________________ Michelle Schonzeit http://www.angelfire.com/mt/schonzeit Plattsburgh, NY- USA ICQ #18273165 Amateur Radio- KC2EPZ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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CC: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu In-reply-to: <199905120403.AAA28776@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from Quoted-printable to 8bit by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu id HAA02784 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P13930.CNM This address, purportedly in your domain, spammed the wilderness- emergency-medicine list with off-topic unsolicited commercial email. Please, if this account truly exists in your domain, please find out who owns it and terminate his or her account and do not permit him or her to obtain another one. As the headers also suggest that the message may have orginated from "bigbear.net" and come via netcom.com, I am also cc'ing the postmasters of those domains in an attempt to end this spamming, and including a copy of the original message headers. 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Cc: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:08:54 -0400 This address, purportedly in your domain, spammed the wilderness- emergency-medicine list with off-topic unsolicited commercial email. Please, if this account truly exists in your domain, please find out who owns it and terminate his or her account and do not permit him or her to obtain another one. As the headers also suggest that the message may have orginated from "bigbear.net" and come via netcom.com, I am also cc'ing the postmasters of those domains in an attempt to end this spamming, and including a copy of the original message headers. As there are some irate subscribers on the list after this spam, I am cc'ing the list with this message to see how we are addressing the problem. Any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Thank you. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP wilderness-emergency-medicine listowner. On 11 May 99, at 17:30, toukol@mindspring.com wrote: Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post- ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop- 7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.bigbear.net (lai-ca4-68.ix.netcom.com [209.110.247.68]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: toukol@mindspring.com Message-Id: <199905120403.AAA28776@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: W-EMED Homeworkers Needed! Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:30:17 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34603136 0 1 P02FC0.CNM > Dear Future Associate, > > You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big > Money in a short time > > NO Newspaper Advertising! > > Your job will be to stuff and mail envelopes for our company. You > will receive $.25 for each and every envelope you stuff and mail > out. > > Just follow our simple instructions and you will be making money > as easy as > 1… 2… 3 > > For example stuff and mail 200 envelopes and you will receive > $50.00. Stuff and mail 1000 and you will receive $250.00. Stuff > and mail 2000 and you will receive $500.00 and more > > Never before has there been an easier way to make money from > home! > > Our Company's Home Mailing Program is designed for people with > little or no experience and provides simple, step by step > instructions. > > There is no prior experience or special skills necessary on your > part, Just stuffing envelopes. > > We need the help of honest and reliable home workers like you. > Because we are overloaded with work and have more than our staff > can handle. We have now expanded our mailing program and are > expecting to reach millions more with our offers throughout the > US and Canada. > > Our system of stuffing and mailing envelopes is very simple and > easy to do! > You will not be required to buy envelopes or postage stamps. > > We will gladly furnish all circulars at no cost to you. We assure > you that as a participant in our program you will never have to > mail anything objective or offensive. > > There are no quotas to meet, and there no contracts to sign. You > can work as much, or as little as you want. Payment for each > envelope you send out is Guaranteed! > > Here is what you will receive when you get your first Package. > Inside you will find 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales > letters ready to stuff and mail > > As soon as you are done with stuffing and mailing these first > letters, your payment will arrive shortly, thereafter. All you > have to do is to order more free supplies and stuff and mail more > envelopes to make more money. > > Our sales literature which you will be stuffing and mailing will > contain > information outlining our highly informative manuals that we are > advertising nationwide. As a free gift you will receive a > special manual valued at $24.95, absolutely free, just for > joining our Home Mailers Program. > > Plus you will get your own special code number, so that we will > know how much you are to get paid. And to make re-ordering of > more envelopes, that our company supplies very simple for you. > > We are giving you this free bonus because we want you to be > confident in our company and to ensure that we will be doing > business with you for a long time. > > Benefits Of This Job: > > 1. You do not have to quit your present job, to earn more money > at home > 2. You can make between $2,500 to $4,500 a month depending on the > amount of time you are willing to spend stuffing and mailing > envelopes > 3. This is a great opportunity for the students, mothers, > disabled persons or those who are home bodies. > > To secure your position and to show us that you are serious about > earning extra income at home we require a one-time registration > fee of $35.00. > This fee covers the cost of your initial start up package, which > includes 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters and a > manual, your registration fee will be refunded back to you > shortly thereafter. > > Money Back Guarantee! > > We guarantee that as soon as you stuff and mail your first 300 > envelopes You will be paid $75.00 and your registration fee will > be refunded. > > Many of you wonder why it is necessary to pay a deposit to get a > job. It is because we are looking for people that seriously want > to work from home. > > * If 3.000 people told us they wanted to start working from home > and we sent out 3.000 packages free to every one. And then half > of the people decided not to work, this would be a potential loss > of more than $60,000 in supply's and shipping that we have sent > out to people that don't want to work > > We have instituted this policy to make sure that you really want > to work and at least finish your first package. > > To Get Started Today Please Enclose Your Registration Fee of $35 > Check,Cash Or Money Order and fill out the application below and > mail to: > > AHWA CO > Pmb > 1928 E. Highland Blvd > Ste #F104-902 > Phoenix, Az 85016 > > Name_____________________________________________________ > > Address___________________________________________________ > > City____________________________________ State______________ > > Zip Code________________ > > Telephone Number(s)_________________________________________ > > E-mail Address______________________________________________ > > > > For all orders, please allow seven (7) days for delivery and up > to 10 days. Cash and Money Orders will result in faster shipping > of your package. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:39:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:39:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from uucp.iafrica.com (uucp.iafrica.com [196.7.0.177]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 01:38:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: (6632 bytes) by uucp.iafrica.com via sendmail with P:UUCP/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:38:10 +0200 (SAST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Oct-29) Received: from medinfo.iplan.co.za (medinfo.iplan.co.za [196.16.129.16]) by cthru.iplan.co.za (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA07414 for ; Wed, 12 May 1999 07:16:18 +0200 Received: from MEDINFO/SpoolDir by medinfo.iplan.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 12 May 99 07:13:34 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by MEDINFO (Mercury 1.30); 12 May 99 07:13:24 +0200 From: "Rob Thomas" X-Real-Sender: ROBT Organization: Infoplan To: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Wed, 12 May 1999 07:13:18 GMT+2 Subject: Re: W-EMED Homeworkers Needed! - Please remove this person! Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <160D3487E33@medinfo.iplan.co.za> X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P4F790.CNM Hi Won't you please remove this person from the w-emed list? They clearly have no respect for the focus of this list. I'm also forwarding this complaint to: abuse@mindspring.com complaints@mindspring.com post,aster@mindspring.com Thanks Rob >From: toukol@mindspring.com >Subject: W-EMED Homeworkers Needed! >Date sent: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:30:17 >To: undisclosed-recipients:; >Send reply to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >Dear Future Associate, > >You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big >Money in a short time > > NO Newspaper Advertising! > >Your job will be to stuff and mail envelopes for our company. You >will receive $.25 for each and every envelope you stuff and mail >out. > >Just follow our simple instructions and you will be making money >as easy as >1a 2a 3 > >For example stuff and mail 200 envelopes and you will receive >$50.00. Stuff and mail 1000 and you will receive $250.00. Stuff >and mail 2000 and you will receive $500.00 and more > >Never before has there been an easier way to make money from >home! > >Our Company's Home Mailing Program is designed for people with >little or no experience and provides simple, step by step >instructions. > >There is no prior experience or special skills necessary on your >part, Just stuffing envelopes. > >We need the help of honest and reliable home workers like you. >Because we are overloaded with work and have more than our staff >can handle. We have now expanded our mailing program and are >expecting to reach millions more with our offers throughout the >US and Canada. > >Our system of stuffing and mailing envelopes is very simple and >easy to do! >You will not be required to buy envelopes or postage stamps. > >We will gladly furnish all circulars at no cost to you. We assure >you that as a participant in our program you will never have to >mail anything objective or offensive. > >There are no quotas to meet, and there no contracts to sign. You >can work as much, or as little as you want. Payment for each >envelope you send out is Guaranteed! > >Here is what you will receive when you get your first Package. >Inside you will find 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales >letters ready to stuff and mail > >As soon as you are done with stuffing and mailing these first >letters, your payment will arrive shortly, thereafter. All you >have to do is to order more free supplies and stuff and mail more >envelopes to make more money. > >Our sales literature which you will be stuffing and mailing will >contain >information outlining our highly informative manuals that we are >advertising nationwide. As a free gift you will receive a >special manual valued at $24.95, absolutely free, just for >joining our Home Mailers Program. > >Plus you will get your own special code number, so that we will >know how much you are to get paid. And to make re-ordering of >more envelopes, that our company supplies very simple for you. > >We are giving you this free bonus because we want you to be >confident in our company and to ensure that we will be doing >business with you for a long time. > >Benefits Of This Job: > >1. You do not have to quit your present job, to earn more money >at home >2. You can make between $2,500 to $4,500 a month depending on the >amount of time you are willing to spend stuffing and mailing >envelopes >3. This is a great opportunity for the students, mothers, >disabled persons or those who are home bodies. > >To secure your position and to show us that you are serious about >earning extra income at home we require a one-time registration >fee of $35.00. >This fee covers the cost of your initial start up package, which >includes 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters and a >manual, your registration fee will be refunded back to you >shortly thereafter. > >Money Back Guarantee! > >We guarantee that as soon as you stuff and mail your first 300 >envelopes You will be paid $75.00 and your registration fee will >be refunded. > >Many of you wonder why it is necessary to pay a deposit to get a >job. It is because we are looking for people that seriously want >to work from home. > >* If 3.000 people told us they wanted to start working from home >and we sent out 3.000 packages free to every one. And then half >of the people decided not to work, this would be a potential loss >of more than $60,000 in supply's and shipping that we have sent >out to people that don't want to work > >We have instituted this policy to make sure that you really want >to work and at least finish your first package. > >To Get Started Today Please Enclose Your Registration Fee of $35 >Check,Cash Or Money Order and fill out the application below and >mail to: > >AHWA CO >Pmb >1928 E. Highland Blvd >Ste #F104-902 >Phoenix, Az 85016 > >Name_____________________________________________________ > >Address___________________________________________________ > >City____________________________________ State______________ > >Zip Code________________ > >Telephone Number(s)_________________________________________ > >E-mail Address______________________________________________ > > > >For all orders, please allow seven (7) days for delivery and up >to 10 days. Cash and Money Orders will result in faster shipping >of your package. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:05:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:04:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns.bigbear.net (lai-ca4-68.ix.netcom.com [209.110.247.68]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 12 May 1999 00:03:44 -0400 (EDT) From: toukol@mindspring.com Message-Id: <199905120403.AAA28776@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: W-EMED Homeworkers Needed! Date: Tue, 11 May 1999 17:30:17 To: undisclosed-recipients:; Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34603136 0 1 P02FC0.CNM Dear Future Associate, You Can Work At Home & Set Your Own Hours. Start earning Big Money in a short time NO Newspaper Advertising! Your job will be to stuff and mail envelopes for our company. You will receive $.25 for each and every envelope you stuff and mail out. Just follow our simple instructions and you will be making money as easy as 1… 2… 3 For example stuff and mail 200 envelopes and you will receive $50.00. Stuff and mail 1000 and you will receive $250.00. Stuff and mail 2000 and you will receive $500.00 and more Never before has there been an easier way to make money from home! Our Company's Home Mailing Program is designed for people with little or no experience and provides simple, step by step instructions. There is no prior experience or special skills necessary on your part, Just stuffing envelopes. We need the help of honest and reliable home workers like you. Because we are overloaded with work and have more than our staff can handle. We have now expanded our mailing program and are expecting to reach millions more with our offers throughout the US and Canada. Our system of stuffing and mailing envelopes is very simple and easy to do! You will not be required to buy envelopes or postage stamps. We will gladly furnish all circulars at no cost to you. We assure you that as a participant in our program you will never have to mail anything objective or offensive. There are no quotas to meet, and there no contracts to sign. You can work as much, or as little as you want. Payment for each envelope you send out is Guaranteed! Here is what you will receive when you get your first Package. Inside you will find 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters ready to stuff and mail As soon as you are done with stuffing and mailing these first letters, your payment will arrive shortly, thereafter. All you have to do is to order more free supplies and stuff and mail more envelopes to make more money. Our sales literature which you will be stuffing and mailing will contain information outlining our highly informative manuals that we are advertising nationwide. As a free gift you will receive a special manual valued at $24.95, absolutely free, just for joining our Home Mailers Program. Plus you will get your own special code number, so that we will know how much you are to get paid. And to make re-ordering of more envelopes, that our company supplies very simple for you. We are giving you this free bonus because we want you to be confident in our company and to ensure that we will be doing business with you for a long time. Benefits Of This Job: 1. You do not have to quit your present job, to earn more money at home 2. You can make between $2,500 to $4,500 a month depending on the amount of time you are willing to spend stuffing and mailing envelopes 3. This is a great opportunity for the students, mothers, disabled persons or those who are home bodies. To secure your position and to show us that you are serious about earning extra income at home we require a one-time registration fee of $35.00. This fee covers the cost of your initial start up package, which includes 100 envelopes, 100 labels and 100 sales letters and a manual, your registration fee will be refunded back to you shortly thereafter. Money Back Guarantee! We guarantee that as soon as you stuff and mail your first 300 envelopes You will be paid $75.00 and your registration fee will be refunded. Many of you wonder why it is necessary to pay a deposit to get a job. It is because we are looking for people that seriously want to work from home. * If 3.000 people told us they wanted to start working from home and we sent out 3.000 packages free to every one. And then half of the people decided not to work, this would be a potential loss of more than $60,000 in supply's and shipping that we have sent out to people that don't want to work We have instituted this policy to make sure that you really want to work and at least finish your first package. To Get Started Today Please Enclose Your Registration Fee of $35 Check,Cash Or Money Order and fill out the application below and mail to: AHWA CO Pmb 1928 E. Highland Blvd Ste #F104-902 Phoenix, Az 85016 Name_____________________________________________________ Address___________________________________________________ City____________________________________ State______________ Zip Code________________ Telephone Number(s)_________________________________________ E-mail Address______________________________________________ For all orders, please allow seven (7) days for delivery and up to 10 days. Cash and Money Orders will result in faster shipping of your package. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:56:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:53:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:53:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo19.mx.aol.com (imo19.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:53:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Caverbru@aol.com Received: from Caverbru@aol.com (3961) by imo19.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hRMYa10989 for ; Sun, 9 May 1999 18:52:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <9cf3ab62.24676bbf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 9 May 1999 18:52:47 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P65DD0.CNM I don't suppose anyone has asked the dealer/manufacturer to provide the names/addresses of other customer? Bru Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:57:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:56:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:54:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web104.yahoomail.com (web104.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.69]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 17:54:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <19990507215449.17445.rocketmail@web104.yahoomail.com> Received: from [208.237.228.47] by web104.yahoomail.com; Fri, 07 May 1999 14:54:49 PDT Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:54:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Todd Rignel Subject: Re: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P53560.CNM If you are looking for brand names of a litter wheel, the most popular one I've seen is the Russ Anderson wheel. I know Search Gear ( www.searchgear.com )and Rescue Source ( www.rescuesource.com) carry it. It is very popular with the Mountain Rescue teams up here in the beautiful North West. It has a big ATV tire that bumps over everything, but is much more of a pain to carry on a pack than a one with a smaller bike like tire. I haven't seen anyone who makes the kind with the bike tire. Our unit made some of our own, which is also an option if you have engineer types on your team. I hope a litter wheel is what you are looking for...I've never heard of it called anything like a chariot before. But maybe that is an east coast thing. Todd Rignel Field Leader/ Mt. Bike Team Coordinator King County (Seattle) Explorer SAR www.kcesar.org www.angelfire.com/wa/bikesar --- "Douglas F. Kupas" wrote: > Hi all, > At a recent meeting for a park rescue alliance, the > discussion turned to > the potential purchase of a " Stokes Litter Chariot > by Farrington > Chariots". This park has approximately 18 trail > rescues annually, and > major parts of the trail are steep (along > waterfalls). Does anyone have > experience with this particular chariot system or > others? I seem to recall > a similar list discussion in the past. Does anyone > know where I can access > the archives of that list discussion? > Thanks, > Doug > > Douglas F. Kupas, MD, FACEP > Director, Emergency Medicine Residency Program > Director, EMS Programs > Geisinger Medical Center > Penn State Geisinger Health System > > > Do not reproduce without author's express > permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe > wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: > Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: > wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:30:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:30:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:28:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:28:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from selectrec.net (mail.selectrec.net [209.184.56.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from default (209.184.56.83) by selectrec.net with SMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Fri, 7 May 1999 10:28:05 -0500 Message-ID: <001201be989e$1c38ece0$5338b8d1@default> From: "John and Lori Green" To: References: <199905070207.WAA07603@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Subject: Re: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 10:27:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P06FB0.CNM Here with the Austin Fire Department, we use several types of litters - the good ol' Orange Ferno, the SKED and a Stainless Metal litter with the big wheel - this is helpful over long trails. tiresome if a lot of steep sloped trails - use a counter-balance to help with the weight, then the attendants just need to keep the litter balanced, not necessarily carrying it. All 3 has the pros and cons - personally I like the Ferno and SKED best. - The chicken-wire of the metal stokes is a magnet for trees limbs. John Green South Central Regional Coordinator, NCRC USAR TxTF-1 Rescue Specialist Technical Rescue Instructor, Austin Fire Dept. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:26:34 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:25:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:24:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from dux4.tcd.ie (dux4.tcd.ie [134.226.1.194]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 09:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pc155 (pc155.mee.tcd.ie [134.226.86.155]) by dux4.tcd.ie (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA32088; Fri, 7 May 1999 14:24:44 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <114801be988d$07e2b020$9b56e286@mee.tcd.ie> From: "Gerry Butler" To: "Jack T. Grandey" , Subject: Re: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 14:25:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.0810.800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.0810.800 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0CB40.CNM ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack T. Grandey To: Cc: Sent: Friday, May 07, 1999 12:12 PM Subject: RE: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot >I know several groups who use such a device but have little personal >experience with it. > >Contact Gerry Butler of the Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team (Ireland) >gbutler@tcd.ie They acquired one last year. > >JTG >Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P > Operations Director > Wilderness EMS Institute As Jack specifically mentioned my name, I better not hide! We do not have a Stokes Litter (these basket stretchers are not generally used by mountain rescue over here although civil defence do use them. Instead we use specialised flat bed stretchers, designed for MR use in the UK. We do have a McInnes MR stretcher with a wheel, which is probably what Jack is referring to. This is a folding, backpackable, stretcher with a hard (spinal) flat bed, skids and a removable wheel. In use, it is carried to the scene by one person, the wheel and attachment are carried by a second person. On the way out it may be carried, skidded or wheeled as appropriate for the terrain and the casualty. Carrying, we use six persons, three each side. It is difficult to fit on more due to the space required by rucksacks on the bearers etc. Carrying is both by one hand on the stretcher (most of the time) but also be tape slings held from the stretcher, behind the bearers back, over the outside shoulder into the second hand. By adjusting the sling, it is possible for the bearer to move relative to the stretcher while still carrying the load. This is useful on rough ground. Generally, a group of six bearers will carry for 100-300 metres and be replaced by another group. With routefinders, light carriers at night, backrope personnel etc., it requires a large crowd, 15-20 people per stretcher (fortunately we do not have many multiple casualty incidents). Skidding, on steep grass, snow or small scree, the stretcher is manoeuvred by two pullers (out front using slings), two side personnel (lifting over small bumps etc., and two rear personnel steering and restraining. Additionally, there may be a back-rope team (usually two teams with separate back ropes alternate as the skid continues thus maintaining momentum). Wheeling, which is probably directly related to your query, is done on the single, mountain bike type, wheel which is centrally located. The bearer technique is different and this must be practised We use six bearers. It is important that not too much effort is put into lifting the stretcher by the bearers, especially those on one side, as this unbalances the stretcher. Instead, each bearer should press lightly down on the stretcher, maintaining balance while allowing the wheel to take the weight. Bearers also always use tape slings as for carrying, but these are principally for when the bearer must move away from he side of the stretcher due to rough ground etc. With a single wheel, the stretcher can tilt from side to side so make sure the casualty will not roll as this will unbalance the rig further. There is also a tendency for the head end of the stretcher to be lower than the foot end, due to the weight of the casualty's upper body. Put the stronger bearers at the head end, the lighter bearers to the foot. Usually we move the casualty feet first (except uphill). Using the wheel, a team of six (plus a few support personnel) can move a stretcher over long distances (1-2 km.). Occasionally alternate bearers from side to side to give their arms a chance to relax. Put the team commander at one side at the head end. Put the casualty care person (doctor, paramedic, MET etc - the higher the rank the better) at the other head side if physically suitable - don't let them get away with not carrying. Hope this helps Gerry Dr. Gerard Butler CEng MIEE, EI0CH, WEMT TELTEC Propagation Group, Trinity College, Dublin Ireland Dublin+Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Grandey" To: Cc: Subject: RE: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 07:12:45 -0400 Message-ID: <000a01be987a$894fe820$9e3e9380@grandeyjt.1upmc-puh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 In-Reply-To: <199905070207.WAA07603@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P52F40.CNM I know several groups who use such a device but have little personal experience with it. Contact Gerry Butler of the Dublin-Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team (Ireland) gbutler@tcd.ie They acquired one last year. JTG Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P       Operations Director   Wilderness EMS Institute     http://www.wemsi.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Douglas F. Kupas Sent: Thursday, May 06, 1999 22:00 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Cc: ricketts.sp@a1.dcnr.state.pa.us Subject: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot Hi all, At a recent meeting for a park rescue alliance, the discussion turned to the potential purchase of a " Stokes Litter Chariot by Farrington Chariots". This park has approximately 18 trail rescues annually, and major parts of the trail are steep (along waterfalls). Does anyone have experience with this particular chariot system or others? I seem to recall a similar list discussion in the past. Does anyone know where I can access the archives of that list discussion? Thanks, Doug Douglas F. Kupas, MD, FACEP Director, Emergency Medicine Residency Program Director, EMS Programs Geisinger Medical Center Penn State Geisinger Health System Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:41:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:05:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:05:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:03:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:03:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo25.mx.aol.com (imo25.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.69]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: PMcLMcCMc@aol.com Received: from PMcLMcCMc@aol.com (8009) by imo25.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hBMMa20907 for ; Fri, 7 May 1999 11:01:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 7 May 1999 11:01:44 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 13 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P75B80.CNM Regarding the wheeled-stokes, Our group uses one as do a number of other units in New Mexico. I'm not sure of the brand s the various groups are using. As with anything else the right tool at the proper time with the proper training can be an asset. Without the training it can be a liability. Paul Mc Santa Fe Search and Rescue Santa Fe, NM Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Kupas" To: Cc: Subject: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 21:59:55 -0400 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1155 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P32D60.CNM Hi all, At a recent meeting for a park rescue alliance, the discussion turned to the potential purchase of a " Stokes Litter Chariot by Farrington Chariots". This park has approximately 18 trail rescues annually, and major parts of the trail are steep (along waterfalls). Does anyone have experience with this particular chariot system or others? I seem to recall a similar list discussion in the past. Does anyone know where I can access the archives of that list discussion? Thanks, Doug Douglas F. Kupas, MD, FACEP Director, Emergency Medicine Residency Program Director, EMS Programs Geisinger Medical Center Penn State Geisinger Health System Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:48:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:48:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:48:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:47:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:47:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:46:59 -0400 (EDT) From: MYScher@aol.com Received: from MYScher@aol.com (14427) by imo11.mx.aol.com (IMOv20) id hFLJa13120 for ; Thu, 6 May 1999 23:36:00 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <7a424d5d.2463b9a0@aol.com> Date: Thu, 6 May 1999 23:36:00 EDT Subject: Re: W-EMED Stokes Litter Chariot To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 43 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29D30.CNM 'Fraid I'm not familiar with the particulars, but I recall the rangers down in Big Bend (that's Texas, y'all) using a one-wheel litter chariot during a rescue while I was there about 9 years ago. We talked a bit on the hike out, and they said they'd used it well, quite liked it, found it to be pretty versatile. I'd contact them, and ask them what their experiences with such equipment has been since then. Big Bend has everything from mountainous terrain, to steep desert canyons, to flats, so their experience might be useful. mordechai y. scher Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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DAVIS LAYNE Deputy Assistant Secretary FROM: STEVEN F. WITT Director Directorate of Technical Support SUBJECT: Technical Information Bulletin*: Potential for Allergy to Natural Rubber Latex Gloves and other Natural Rubber Products This technical information bulletin is intended to alert field personnel to the potential for allergic reactions in some individuals using natural rubber latex (NRL) products, particularly gloves, in the workplace setting. Natural rubber is utilized in a variety of products including gloves, airways, airway masks, medication vial tops, anesthesia bags, various catheters, supplies for intravenous use, dental dams, balloons, and other products.(1,2,3) NRL glove use in the health care setting has risen dramatically since about 1987, due to the increased threat of contracting HIV, hepatitis B, and other infectious agents in the course of delivering health care to patients and the need for barrier protection.(1,4) Thus, the frequency of exposure to NRL among health care and other workers has increased. NRL products are also used to provide barrier protection from some chemicals and other agents in health care and other environments. (NOTE: While NRL gloves are useful for certain purposes, they are not universally suitable. The properties of a glove material for a specific use must be determined in advance of use. Gloves appropriate for protection from the particular chemical or agent must be used.) NRL gloves are also used to prevent contamination of products in some workplaces (e.g., electronics and drug manufacturing). Natural rubber articles are manufactured in some workplaces (e.g., manufacturers of medical gloves, industrial gloves, balloons, rubber bands, boots and shoes, and many other products). With more widespread use of NRL gloves, there has been an increase in reported NRL allergies, among patients as well as among workers, notably health care workers. Rarely, these allergies can be fatal. In addition to reports from the dermatology, allergy, and pulmonary literature of severe skin and respiratory symptoms, life threatening reactions to NRL products have been noted in pediatric patients with spina bifida who had undergone numerous surgical procedures, resulting in repeated NRL exposure.(5,6,7) In addition, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) received reports of numerous severe allergic reactions, including several deaths, associated with exposure to NRL enema cuffs in providing care to sensitized patients.(8) NRL is manufactured from a variety of plants, but mainly the rubber tree, Hevea brasiliensis. The milky fluid from the tree contains variable amounts of proteins which may be absorbed through the skin or inhaled and cause allergic reaction in susceptible workers. NRL contains many proteins. A number of these proteins, such as hevamine, hevein, and rubber elongation factor (REF), may initiate allergic reactions to NRL. Studies have indicated that corn starch powder, added to gloves to facilitate donning and removal, can serve as a carrier for the allergenic proteins from the NRL.(2,3,9) In addition, gloves, including those made from NRL as well as some other materials, may contain chemical accelerators such as thiuram, carbamates, and benzothiazoles to which a worker may also develop sensitization, resulting in allergic contact dermatitis. Antioxidants, biocides, soaps, and other chemicals used in the processing of NRL products may contribute to sensitization as well. In 1987 the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommended universal precautions, the concept that blood and certain body fluids from all individuals should be approached as if potentially infectious. The use of barrier protection was subsequently required by OSHA's bloodborne pathogens standard. The increased use of latex gloves in a variety of settings greatly increased the exposure of health care workers to NRL.(1,4) The two major routes of exposure include dermal exposure and inhalational exposure. NRL protein absorption has been reported to be enhanced when perspiration collects under latex clothing articles.(10) Exposure may also occur by the respiratory route, particularly when glove powder acts as a carrier for NRL protein which becomes airborne when the gloves are donned or removed.(2,3,9) Some investigations have indicated that powder free gloves with reduced protein content reduce risk of development of NRL allergy.(11) Some questions regarding powder free glove shelf life and ease of use have arisen and are being addressed. Importantly, only non-NRL gloves must be used by those workers who are allergic to NRL. The majority of health care workers are able to use NRL products to care for most patients. Variations exist in the reported prevalence of NRL allergy. This variation is probably due to different levels of exposure and methods of estimating latex sensitization or allergy. Nevertheless, prevalence studies indicate that from around 6% to 17% of the exposed health care workforce is allergic to NRL.(3,12,13,14,15) In a survey of active duty dental officers in the U.S. Army, the prevalence of allergic symptoms correlated with NRL use was reported to be 13.7%.(16) An investigation of dental workers using NRL skin prick testing at two consecutive American Dental Association meetings revealed allergic responses in 9.1-9.7% of dental hygienists and assistants, although dentists showed a lower rate of 5.1-6.7%.(17) The general population exhibits a lower rate of NRL sensitization (approximately 1 to 6%).(18,19) These prevalence statistics are based on seroprevalence as well as skin test positivity and/or allergic manifestations and do not refer to the more serious anaphylactic response, which is rare but potentially life threatening in some individuals. In addition to dentists, health care workers reported to have especially high risks include operating room personnel consistently exposed to NRL (i.e., operating room nurses, physicians, and technicians).(3,18) NRL allergy has also been reported in greenhouse workers,(20) hairdressers,(21) doll manufacturing workers,(22) and workers in a glove manufacturing plant,(23) and may pose a risk to others as well.(24) Use of natural rubber products may result in several varieties of reactions (see table). These reactions include irritant and several types of allergic reactions. They can vary from localized redness and rash to nasal, sinus, and eye symptoms to asthmatic manifestations including cough, wheeze, shortness of breath, and chest tightness; and rarely, systemic reactions with swelling of the face, lips, and airways that may progress rapidly to shock and, potentially, death. When gloves are associated with skin lesions, the most common reaction is irritant contact dermatitis. Irritant contact dermatitis may be due to direct irritation from gloves or glove powder, but may also be due to other causes, such as irritation from soaps or detergents, other chemicals, or incomplete hand drying. Irritant contact dermatitis presents as dried, cracked, split skin. Although irritant contact dermatitis is not in itself an allergic reaction, the breaking of the intact skin barrier due to these lesions may afford a pathway for latex proteins to gain access, and thus promote development of allergy.(25) The second type of reaction that may be associated with glove use is allergic contact dermatitis (also known as type IV delayed hypersensitivity or allergic contact sensitivity). When glove use has been associated with this reaction, it appears to be due to the chemicals used in processing NRL or other glove materials. The allergic contact dermatitis has an appearance similar to the typical poison ivy reaction, with blistering, itching, crusting, oozing lesions. Also, like poison ivy, this dermatitis may appear a day or two after the use of gloves or exposure to other sources of chemical sensitizers. The third and potentially most serious type of reaction sometimes associated with glove use is a true IgE/histamine-mediated allergy (also called immediate or type I hypersensitivity) to glove protein [in the case of NRL allergy, to NRL protein(s)]. This type of reaction can involve local or systemic symptoms. Localized symptoms include contact urticaria (hives) which appear in the area where contact occurred (in the case of gloves, the hands), but which can spread beyond that area and become generalized. More generalized reactions include allergic rhinoconjunctivitis and asthma. The presence of allergic manifestations to NRL indicates an increased risk for anaphylaxis, a rare but serious reaction experienced by some individuals who have developed an allergy to certain proteins (e.g., insect stings, natural rubber, penicillin). This type I reaction can occur within seconds to minutes of exposure to the allergen (in the case of NRL, to natural rubber proteins) either by touching a product with the allergen (e.g., gloves) or by inhaling the allergen (e.g., powder to which natural rubber proteins from gloves have adsorbed). When such a reaction occurs, it can progress rapidly from swelling of the lips and airways to shortness of breath, and may progress to shock and death, sometimes within minutes. While any of these signs and symptoms may be the first indication of allergy, in many workers with continued exposure to the allergen (in the case of NRL allergy, to natural rubber proteins), there is progression from skin (contact urticaria) to respiratory symptoms over a period of months to years. Some studies indicate that individuals with latex allergy are more likely than latex non-allergic persons to be atopic (have an increased immune response to some common allergens, with symptoms such as asthma or eczema).(26) Once NRL allergy occurs, allergic individuals continue to experience symptoms, which have included life-threatening reactions, not only on exposure to NRL in the workplace but also upon receiving or accompanying a family member receiving health care services at inpatient as well as office-based settings. In addition, such reactions have occurred on exposure to consumer goods such as balloons, condoms, and other products. Moreover, some affected individuals continue to experience asthmatic symptoms even without contact with NRL. Therefore, development of allergy to NRL in an individual has lifestyle implications beyond the workplace. Types of Reactions (Table) Type Reaction: Irritant Contact Dermatitis: Symptoms/Signs scaling, drying, cracking of skin Cause direct skin irritation by gloves, powder, soaps/detergents, incomplete hand drying Prevention / Management Obtain medical diagnosis, avoid irritant product, consider use of cotton glove liners, consider alternative gloves/products Allergic Contact Dermatitis: (Type IV delayed hypersensitivity or allergic contact sensitivity) Symptoms/Signs blistering, itching, crusting, (similar to poison ivy reaction) Cause accelerators (e.g., thiurams, carbamates, benzothiazoles) processing chemicals (e.g., biocides, antioxidants) Consider penetration of glove barrier by chemicals Prevention / Management Obtain medical diagnosis, identify chemical. Consider use of glove liners such as cotton Use alternative glove material without chemical Assure glove material is suitable for intended use (proper barrier) NRL Allergy - IgE/histamine mediated: (Type I immediate hypersensitivity) A) Localized contact urticaria [which may be associated with or progress to B)]: Symptoms/Signs Hives in area of contact with NRL B) Generalized Reaction Symptoms/Signs Include: generalized urticaria, rhinitis, wheezing, swelling of mouth, shortness of breath. Can progress to anaphylactic shock Cause NRL proteins: direct contact with or breathing NRL proteins, including glove powder containing proteins, from powdered gloves or the environment Prevention / Management Obtain medical diagnosis, allergy consultation, substitute non-NRL gloves for affected worker and other non-NRL products Eliminate exposure to glove powder - use of reduced protein, powder free gloves for coworkers Clean NRL-containing powder from environment Consider NRL safe environment Recommended Strategies - Risk Reduction It is of primary importance that barrier protection be used when hands would otherwise contact infectious materials or hazardous chemicals. OSHA's bloodborne pathogens standard requires that gloves be worn when it is reasonably anticipated that hand contact may occur with blood, other potentially infectious materials, mucous membranes, non-intact skin, or contaminated items or surfaces, as well as when performing most vascular access procedures [29 CFR 1920.1030, paragraph (d)(3)(ix)]. NRL is a glove material that has been used in the health care environment for barrier protection for a number of years. In response to reported NRL allergy in some patients and health care workers, measures have been recommended to reduce the risk of NRL allergy in workers. Primary prevention involves reducing potential development of allergy by reducing unnecessary exposure to NRL proteins for all workers. Food service workers or gardeners, for example, do not need to use NRL gloves for food handling or gardening purposes. Gloves made of NRL as well as synthetic materials have been cleared for marketing as medical gloves by the FDA and can be used effectively for barrier protection against bloodborne pathogens. General administrative procedures** that an institution can follow to reduce worker exposure to NRL proteins include: 1. If selecting NRL gloves for worker use, designating NRL as a choice only in those situations requiring protection from infectious agents; 2. When selecting NRL gloves, choosing those that have lower protein content.(18) Selecting powder free gloves offers the additional benefit of reducing systemic allergic responses; and 3. Providing alternative suitable non-NRL gloves as choices for worker use (and as required by OSHA's bloodborne pathogens standard [29 CFR 1910.1030, paragraph (d)(3)(iii)] for workers who are allergic to NRL gloves). Use of powder free gloves has been shown to reduce the dissemination of NRL proteins into the environment and decrease the likelihood of reactions by both the inhalation and dermal routes.(2,27) Appropriate work practices when wearing hand protective equipment, including NRL gloves, include avoidance of contact with other body areas such as the eyes or face. Handwashing after glove removal is required by OHSA's bloodborne Pathogens Standard [paragraph (d)(2)(v)] and helps to minimize powder and/or NRL remaining in contact with the skin. Thorough clean-up of any residual powder in the workplace with appropriate vacuum filters will decrease employees' exposure as well. Since the reason for wearing gloves is to provide barrier protection from hazardous substances, substitute materials must maintain an adequate barrier protection and be appropriate for the hazard. At a minimum, gloves made from NRL or other materials and used for a medical purpose should be labeled as medical gloves. Such gloves must meet the FDA criteria for marketing, manufacturing, and testing of medical gloves. The Health Industry Manufacturers Association (HIMA), in conjunction with the FDA, has proposed general guidelines for use of medical gloves with some recommendations for those individuals who are allergic to natural rubber.(28) One institution has reported that a coordinated effort to identify NRL sensitive individuals and reduce the use of "high allergenic" natural rubber latex gloves substantially reduced aeroallergen levels and costs.(4) Other investigators have reported that some NRL allergic workers have been able to work wearing nonlatex gloves when their coworkers wore powder free latex gloves.(29) Effective September 30, 1998, the FDA requires labeling statements for medical devices which contain natural rubber and prohibits the use of the word "hypoallergenic" to describe such products.(8) NRL gloves with a reduced level of chemical accelerators must be labeled to eliminate confusion associated with the "hypoallergenic" claim and to provide more specific information to the user. Some NRL gloves and other devices produced before the effective date of the FDA regulation may not carry the NRL labeling or may be labeled "hypoallergenic". Such products may still be in use in some facilities. It should be noted that such products should not be presumed to be NRL free. The hypoallergenic claim referred to the chemical additives, and such gloves may be powder free; however, they contain the NRL proteins to which NRL allergic workers react.(30) The FDA is currently exploring options for reducing exposure to NRL proteins and powder. It is important to note that these FDA regulations do not apply to non-medical devices, including utility gloves. Recommended Worker Evaluation and Management The administrative procedures outline above may not be sufficient to protect all individuals who have already developed NRL allergy. The American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology has suggested that "safe zones" (areas in which non-NRL products are used and NRL proteins have been thoroughly removed from the environment) may be needed to protect those workers who are already sensitized to NRL.(5) Health care facilities should develop policies and procedures for reducing the risk of NRL allergies in the workplace. Prudent risk reduction strategy involves an initial survey and assessment, with a coordinated effort to identify and catalogue all NRL products used in the workplace. An ongoing program, involving close coordination with resource and materials management staff, should be established to monitor the NRL content of incoming products so that management staff can be prepared to choose appropriate products for offering non-NRL alternatives to control NRL exposure as well as for creating NRL safe zones.(2) Mechanisms for reporting and managing cases should be in place. It is not possible, at present, to determine which workers will become allergic to NRL proteins, the extent of an individual worker's reaction, or the length of time required for such allergic reactions to develop.(3) It is also not possible, at present, to predict who will progress from local contact urticaria to the more dangerous allergic reactions, nor when this may occur. (2,3) Laboratory and clinical evidence indicates that an association exists between allergy to natural rubber proteins and allergy to certain foods and plants (e.g., avocado, banana, kiwi, chestnut)(31) and some aeroallergens (e.g., pollens, grasses).(32) A history of multiple surgeries has also been reported to be a risk factor for NRL allergy.(2,5) In some institutions, periodic screening questionnaires for symptoms of NRL allergy in workers with current or past history of significant NRL exposure (e.g., surgical personnel) have been useful for ascertaining reaction rates and managing those individuals experiencing reactions.(3,5,30) A medical evaluation of hand dermatitis, by a physician experienced in dermatologic diagnoses, is essential for taking preventive steps and assuring effective therapeutic measures. Evaluation of signs/symptoms associated with latex allergy should be accomplished under the direction of a physician with expertise in NRL allergy, with additional medical testing and treatment made available if indicated. Provision of latex-free procedure trays and crash carts for treatment of natural rubber allergic individuals has been recommended.(5) Although the fundamentals of emergency response (i.e., assuring airway, breathing, and circulation) remain of primary importance should a worker develop symptoms (including those caused by NRL allergy) requiring resuscitation, these situations should be anticipated in the workplace and provision of immediate access to non-natural rubber containing equipment considered. Information Availability Investigation continues into various aspects of NRL allergy; our understanding of some issues continues to evolve. Meanwhile, workers and workplaces need to be aware of the present state of knowledge regarding NRL allergy and methods of protection. Workers should be advised of symptoms of NRL allergy as well as primary and secondary preventive measures for decreasing the risk of NRL allergy development and NRL allergic reactions in workers who are allergic. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) published a 1997 Alert titled "Preventing Allergic Reactions to Natural Rubber Latex in the Workplace" (NIOSH publication number 97-135). NIOSH can be reached by calling 1-800-35-NIOSH (800-356-4674). OSHA field staff and consultation personnel should be aware of the potential for NRL allergy in workers exposed to NRL products. Please distribute this bulletin to all Area Offices, State Plan States, and Consultation Projects. Copies of this TIB may be used for outreach purposes. This technical information bulletin (TIB) is not a new standard or regulation. This TIB is advisory in nature and informational in content. The failure to implement a specific recommendation in this TIB is not in itself a violation of the General Duty Clause of the OSH Act. The General Duty Clause [Section (5)(a)(l)] requires each employer to furnish to each employee employment and a place of employment which are free from recognized hazards that are causing or are likely to cause death or serious physical harm to his employees. *The Directorate of Technical Support issues technical information bulletins (TIBs) to provide OSHA field staff with information regarding safety and health issues. TIBs are initiated based on information provided by the filed staff, scientific investigations, technical publications, and concerns expressed by safety and health professionals, employers, and the public. This information has been compiled based on a thorough evaluation of available facts, and in accordance with appropriated parties. **The American Academy of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology and American College of Allergy, Asthma, and Immunology issued a joint statement July 21, 1997 which advises that latex glove purchase and use should consist of only low-allergen, powder-free latex gloves. The National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) also recommends that if latex gloves are chosen, provide and use reduced protein, powder-free gloves.(18) A 1998 Guideline for infection control in health care personnel, consisting of consensus recommendations of the Hospital Infection Control Practices Advisory Committee (HICPAC) to the CDC, included several recommendations regarding latex hypersensitivity, but did not include advice about use of powder-free gloves throughout an institution and made no recommendation for institution-wide substitution of non-latex products in health care facilities to prevent sensitization to latex (Am J Infection Control 1998;26:339). Latex References 1. Hunt LW, Fransway AF, Reed CE, et al. "An epidemic of occupational allergy to latex involving health care workers." J Occup Environ Med. 1995 Oct; 37(10):1204-9 2. McCormack B, Cameron M, Biel L. "Latex sensitivity: an occupational health strategic plan." 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