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This may seem stupid behaviour at first, but after thinking about all the silly messages to the wrong address that the list has been spared, it actually seems fairly smart. (If only it could detect the spam, too . . . . ) (forwarded with an edit) From: monica curry Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:Wilderness Airway kit To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu question: does the amount of water you need to carry to reconstitute the anaesthesiologist can-cel the effectiveness of this method? any guesses on the shelf life of product? long night, no sleep...... > Kitchen Sink: take one anaesthesiologist with lots of trauma > experience. Ask him or her to get everything he or she might need > for a bad airway -- gum elastic bougie, LMA, retrograde kit, Shouldn't be a problem. As long you choose residents, the chance to sleep for an unlimited time would probably be a great improvement over their usual state, so shelf life should be OK. 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:19:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXS36OXIXA00401Z@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:19:28 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:16:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net (smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net [207.172.4.61]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:16:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from 207-172-77-42.s42.tnt1.lee.va.dialup.rcn.com ([207.172.77.42] helo=erols.com) by smtp02.mrf.mail.rcn.net with esmtp (Exim 3.16 #5) id 147PdD-0003K7-00 ; Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:16:44 -0500 Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:14:26 -0500 From: Gene Harrison Subject: W-EMED [Fwd: Sick caver requests information] Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: List WEMS , Keith Conover , Barry Chute , Bob Hoke , Gene Harrison , Trudy Bloem Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3A3BE941.9A2998D6@erols.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.76 [en]C-20000509M (Win98; U) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Accept-Language: en All, Received this via Potomac Speleological Club email list and thought that several of our cave and wilderness medical personnel may have observations or suggestions. Per the message, caving may be related, but it is perhaps indeterminate at this time. Although I do not know Trudy or Brian personally, I am a member of PSC as well as WEMSI Staff and NCRC, et al, and Bob and Barry are reliable sources. Recommend copy responses directly to Trudy Bloem . I would think she could provide additional diagnostic indications. Thanks All! Gene Harrison :) Bob Hoke wrote: > > Hi folks, > > I received the message below from Trudy Bloem and Brian Judge. > They are Canadian cavers who come to West Virginia and the PSC > fieldhouse fairly frequently. If anyone can suggest any sources > of information for them please contact Trudy directly. > > Also, if you know of any other contacts who might be helpful > please forward Trudy's request on to them. > > Thanks. > > Bob Hoke > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Sick caver requests info > Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 01:46:15 -0500 > From: Bob Hoke > To: Barry Chute , Roxanne Shively > > Barry and Roxanne, > > I received the message below from Trudy Bloem and Brian Judge. > They are Canadian cavers who come to West Virginia and the PSC > fieldhouse fairly frequently. If either of you can suggest any > sources of information for them please contact Trudy directly. > > Also, if you know of any other contacts who might be helpful > please forward Trudy's request on to them. > > Thanks. > > Bob Hoke > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Urgent Request > Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:33:59 -0500 > From: Trudy Bloem > To: 'Bob Hoke' > > Hi Bob: > A friend of ours, Marcus Buck, TCG member, has taken quite ill. He was > admitted to hospital with flu like symptoms and recurring high fever and > has since been transferred to McMaster Research Hospital in Hamilton. He > does not have meningitis of any sort. His case has the infectious disease > physicians very concerned and baffled. They do not know what the problem > is. He is in serious condition, enlarged liver, fever, with some fluid now > collecting in the lungs and around the heart, on antibiotics (they can not > be specific with this medication as they do not yet know what they are > treating) and oxygen assisted and totally bedridden. The physicians are > wondering whether he has picked up anything while caving. He is an active > research caver and is a karst geologist. Are there any articles on caving > related or specific illnesses (viral, bacterial or parasitic based) that > yourself or anyone through the fieldhouse would know about? Norma Moore, > his wife, has put out a request to other cavers whose profession is in that > are with hopes that information may be out there for the doctors' to make > use of. If you can find out anything it would be greatly appreciated. > Cheers > Trudy Bloem & Brian Judge Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:28:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXNO8PUEUG003DVN@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:28:03 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:26:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 13 Dec 2000 13:26:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ireserver.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.7]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA08019 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 03:51:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from ireserver (flesk.Ireland.Sun.COM [129.156.228.10]) by ireserver.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8/ENSMAIL,v2.0) with SMTP id LAA00241 for ; Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:51:56 +0000 (GMT) Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2000 11:52:36 +0000 (GMT) From: William Flynn - Sunsoft x86 Subject: Re: W-EMED oops! Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <200012121151.LAA00241@ireserver.Ireland.Sun.COM> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4 SunOS 5.8 i86pc i386 Content-type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: UoGemoWQVKTe7UQRhN/kGg== Precedence: bulk Cindy > Well now I feel really stupid. Not only did I forget a title to my last post, but I also accidently deleted one of the replies. > > The e-mail I deleted came from Sun in Ireland. Could that person please e-mail me again? No problem. The mail is appended below. BTW The cold packs I was thinking of are the ones you squeeze to start them getting cold. William. Dublin & Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team ------------- Begin Forwarded Message ------------- Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 16:22:10 +0000 (GMT) From: William Flynn - Sunsoft x86 Subject: Re: Your Message Sent on Mon, 11 Dec 2000 01:22:56 -0500 (EST) To: cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Cindy, You could try using cold packs, normaly used for treating knocks and sprains in sports. William Dublin & Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:32:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXKXVONTBU0020NM@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:32:16 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from granger.mail.mindspring.net (granger.mail.mindspring.net [207.69.200.148]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:31:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from smui03.slb.mindspring.net (smui03.slb.mindspring.net [199.174.114.22]) by granger.mail.mindspring.net (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA00650 for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:31:15 -0500 (EST) Received: by smui03.slb.mindspring.net id OAA0000031683; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:32:14 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:32:14 -0500 From: cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Subject: W-EMED oops! Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Cc: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: 192.31.86.35 Well now I feel really stupid. Not only did I forget a title to my last post, but I also accidently deleted one of the replies. The e-mail I deleted came from Sun in Ireland. Could that person please e-mail me again? My apologies! It looks like I have too many irons in the fire! Cindy Heazlit Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:25:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXKN6VV50W001RBX@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:25:57 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:25:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-r02.mx.aol.com (imo-r02.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from Kathrynpark@cs.com by imo-r02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id h.5b.ef679bf (3865) for ; Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:24:47 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 09:24:46 -0500 (EST) From: Kathrynpark@cs.com Subject: W-EMED Re: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <5b.ef679bf.27663dae@cs.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Unknown sub 107 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Hi Cindy, I wonder if you will also need to be concerned with bad air in the volcanic cave sections. I am told there are machines that can detect certain poisonous gases that you could bring, or maybe a canary? (Just kidding) I bet the trade off regarding padding and evaporation would be: pad underneath, and leave the top open under the webbing. When we did this in the NCRC classwork, it seemed like the most painful part was when we didn't pad enough underneath. You wouldn't have to protect them from water with a tarp, because the water would help to keep the temperature down. Sounds like an EXCELLENT course, wish I could come! Kathryn Park Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Precedence: bulk Hello All, I am teaching a cave rescue class in Hawai`i this February. The caves there have a broad range of temperatures - from the very cold caves high up in the mountains, to the very hot caves that have just been formed from the volcanoes. I am looking at patient packaging/transport techniques for all of these environments. While there is a lot of publication on packaging for hypothermia, I don't see much on patient packaging/transport in a warm (hot!) environment. The caves I'm especially looking at run from 68-125 degrees F. I'm looking for standards/papers etc. for packaging and transport of patients in this environment. I realize that I really have to watch my rescuers in the hotter caves. Some have suggested bringing extra water and dowsing the trunk of the body with it for cooling. Any other techniques? One of the tricky things I'm dealing with is padding the patient so that the tie-in webbing/straps don't cut in. But padding means blocking evaporation! Any advice on these challenges is much appreciated. Thanks in advance! Cindy Heazlit Instructor, National Cave Rescue Commission Wilderness First Responder cheazlit@ix.netcom.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXISSF3MBW001LL9@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:44:30 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d02.mx.aol.com (imo-d02.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.34]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from Omikid@aol.com by imo-d02.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id h.2b.e598330 (3973) for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:43:21 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:43:20 -0500 (EST) From: Omikid@aol.com Subject: Re: W-EMED Aquamira Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <2b.e598330.27648008@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Windows AOL sub 123 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk I am allergic to Iodine, and have used both just a filter, as well as a filter/clorine combo...you can get chlorine water purification tablets as well as chlorine "drink drops" though I have not seen (nor looked for) the liquid type here in the US. I still have some of the tablets that I procured in Thailand and carry them in my pack for an emergency. The chlorine tastes awful, and the liquid type wreaks havoc if it spills in your pack. Between chlorine and boiling, boiling is better in my opinion --if you have the means, and time to do so. For the most part even while overseas I have used only a filter and have never had any problems. ('course maybe I have just been lucky.) Just my two cents worth, Naomi Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXI8XR0N1U002OXX@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:16:08 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (gtei1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.159]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:12:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from Laptop (adsl-141-151-137-150.bellatlantic.net [141.151.137.150]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17109; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:01 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:50 -0500 From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" Subject: Re: W-EMED High Altitude Popcorn In-reply-to: <3A2B7F9A.A41D2370@tcd.ie> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: Gerry Butler , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3A325A3E.6511.14A75E31@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk > The local guides insisted that members of the group ate popcorn every day, > which on enquiry by my friend was stated to be as effective as Diamox (or > acetazolamide) for altitude sickness. I prefer daily 2000 volt electrical shocks myself, there's about as much evidence for this as for popcorn as far as I know. But seriously, a high-carbohydrate diet has been shown to lessen AMS scores. Though some studies found no effect, most did. 1. Consolazio CF, Matoush LO, Johnson HL, Krzywicki HJ, Daws TA, Isaac GJ. Effects of high- carbohydrate diets on performance and clinical symptomatology after rapid ascent to high altitude. Federation Proceedings 1969; 28:937-943.that high- carbohydrate diet decreases incidence of AMS symptoms. Consolazio CF, Johnson HL, Krzywicki HJ. Body fluids, body composition, and metabolic aspects of high- altitude adaptation. In: Consolazio CF, Johnson HL, Krzywicki HJ, eds. Physiological adaptations: deserts and mountains. Ny: Academic Press, 1972:227-241. Dramise JG, Inouye CM, Christensen BM, Fults RD, Canham JE, Consolazio CF. Effects of a glucose meal on human pulmonary function at 1600-m and 4300- m altitudes. Aviat Space Environ Med 1975; 46:365-368. Porcelli MJ, Gugelchuk GM. A trek to the top: a review of acute mountain sickness. J Am Osteopath Assoc 1995; 95:718-20.mountain sickness (AMS) affects, to varying degrees, all travelers to high altitudes (elevations greater than 5280 feet). In a small percentage of patients, AMS can lead to high-altitude pulmonary edema (HAPE) or high-altitude cerebral edema (HACE). Symptoms of AMS range from a combination of headache, insomnia, anorexia, nausea, and dizziness, to more serious manifestations, such as vomiting, dyspnea, muscle weakness, oliguria, peripheral edema, and retinal hemorrhage. Although the primary cause of these symptoms is related to the reduced oxygen content and humidity of the ambient air at high altitudes, the physiologic pathway relating hypoxemia to AMS and its sequelae remains unclear. Tips on self-diagnosis and symptom recognition are critical elements to be included in educating patients who are contemplating a trip to high altitudes. Preventive strategies include allowing 2 days of acclimatization before engaging in strenuous exercise at high altitudes, avoiding alcohol, and increasing fluid intake. Conditioning exercise for patients older than 35 years is also recommended before departure. A high- carbohydrate, low-fat, low-salt diet can also aid in preventing the onset of AMS. Acetazolamide (125 mg two or three times daily, or once at bedtime) has also been shown to reduce susceptibility to AMS and the incidence of HAPE and HACE. Although effective in treating cerebral symptoms of AMS, dexamethasone is not routinely recommended as a prophylactic agent for AMS. Swenson ER, MacDonald A, Vatheuer M, et al. Acute mountain sickness is not altered by a high carbohydrate diet nor associated with elevated circulating cytokines. Aviat Space Environ Med 1997; 68:499-503.investigated whether a diet of increased carbohydrate content reduces the symptoms of acute mountain sickness (AMS) and whether concentrations of circulating cytokines rise and correlate with hypoxia and AMS. There were 19 healthy volunteers who ingested in randomized order both a high carbohydrate (68% CHO) or normal carbohydrate (45% CHO) diet for 4 d. On the 4th d, subjects were exposed to 8 h of 10% normobaric oxygen. Each subject completed the Lake Louise Consensus Questionnaire (LLCQ: a questionnaire developed to quantify the common symptoms and consequences of AMS) at the beginning and end of each hypoxic session, at which times venous blood was obtained for the following cytokines: interleukins 1 beta, 6 and 8 (IL-1 beta, IL- 6, IL-8) and tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-alpha). AMS symptoms did not differ significantly between the diets (LLCQ scores: 68% CHO = 10.1 +/- 3.8 vs. 45% CHO = 10.3 +/- 4.1). Cytokine concentrations did not change with hypoxia on either diet, nor did individual changes correlate with AMS symptoms. We conclude that a high carbohydrate diet for 4 d does not reduce the symptoms of AMS; and plasma cytokine concentrations do not change with hypoxia and the development of AMS and, thus, are not likely mediators of this syndrome. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover sent with Pegasus high-security email download free from www.pmail.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:16:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXI8XQMG48001LL9@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sat, 9 Dec 2000 16:16:07 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtppop2pub.verizon.net (smtppop2pub.gte.net [206.46.170.21]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from gtei1.bellatlantic.net (gtei1.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.159]) by smtppop2pub.verizon.net with ESMTP ; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:12:09 -0600 (CST) Received: from Laptop (adsl-141-151-137-150.bellatlantic.net [141.151.137.150]) by gtei1.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA17112; Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:02 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:13:50 -0500 From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" Subject: Re: W-EMED Aquamira In-reply-to: <3A2B0B8E.B6A3B64A@vnet.net> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: Sam Chewning , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3A325A3E.44.14A75E67@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk On 3 Dec 2000, at 22:12, Sam Chewning wrote: > > I read your information about aquamira. A friend of mine is allergic > to iodine. What is your current rec. for filtration and purification? Difficult to answer. Boiling certainly works, and at or near sea level, bringing to a boil is adequate (no need for any more boiling than this). Filter systems with a very small pore diameter are probably an easier solution -- but miss viruses. A combination of a small-pore filter with chlorine would probably be best -- plain old Clorox in a tiny bottle would work. I suspect this new Aquamira or the equivalent Canadian system would be better, though -- more stable, lasts longer, disinfects better. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover sent with Pegasus high-security email download free from www.pmail.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <007601c060cf$caff4e40$2a10d3c6@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk References: <002e01c06087$6d3c6560$6d0aa8c0@worldfactors.com> Good Deal! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sol Roter" To: Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 2:53 PM Subject: RE: W-EMED SPAM. > Spoke to the fellow this afternoon. He agreed it was wrong to send SPAM to > our list. He says he will immediately remove the list from his mail program. > Let's see if he delivers. > > Sol > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of > Sol Roter > Sent: December 6, 2000 9:49 AM > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Subject: RE: W-EMED . > > > I have put a call into them. I want to share my love for SPAM with them > first hand. > > Sol Roter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of > hjghjgjh@yahoo.com > Sent: December 5, 2000 9:30 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: W-EMED . > > > The Internet's Finest and Most Reliable Bulk Email Provider! > > Since 1996, Tech Data Technologies has provided bulk email service to > thousands of well-satisfied customers. We offer the most competitive prices > in the industry, made possible by our high percentage of repeat business. We > have the most advanced, direct email technology, employed by only a > knowledgeable few in the world. Our expert programmers have made it possible > for us to penetrate any email blocking filter in use. > > We have over 120 million active email addresses, increasing our list at the > rate of half a million to one million a month. We will put your product or > service instantly and directly into the hands of millions of prospects! You > will have instant, guaranteed results, something no other form of marketing > can claim. Our turn around time is a remarkable 24 hours. > > Our email addresses are sorted by country, state and target. 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LET TECH DATA TECHNOLOGIES BE YOUR PARTNER!! > > > Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress this letter is > not considered "spam" as long as we include: 1) contact information and, 2) > the way to be removed from future mailings (see below).To Remove Yourself > >>From This List: reply to this email with the email > address that you would like removed and the word REMOVE in the subject > heading. > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:52:59 -0500 (EST) Disposition-notification-to: roter.lcc@home.com Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXFDFYZEYM001DNK@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 14:52:59 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:52:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (mail1.rdc3.on.home.com [24.2.9.40]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:52:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mars ([24.42.96.21]) by mail1.rdc3.on.home.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.00 201-229-121) with SMTP id <20001207195207.QAFG20018.mail1.rdc3.on.home.com@mars> for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 11:52:07 -0800 Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 14:53:52 -0500 From: Sol Roter Subject: RE: W-EMED SPAM. In-reply-to: <000701c05f93$a42519e0$6d0aa8c0@worldfactors.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <002e01c06087$6d3c6560$6d0aa8c0@worldfactors.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook CWS, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Importance: Normal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk Spoke to the fellow this afternoon. He agreed it was wrong to send SPAM to our list. He says he will immediately remove the list from his mail program. Let's see if he delivers. Sol -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Sol Roter Sent: December 6, 2000 9:49 AM To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: RE: W-EMED . I have put a call into them. I want to share my love for SPAM with them first hand. Sol Roter -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of hjghjgjh@yahoo.com Sent: December 5, 2000 9:30 PM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: W-EMED . The Internet's Finest and Most Reliable Bulk Email Provider! Since 1996, Tech Data Technologies has provided bulk email service to thousands of well-satisfied customers. We offer the most competitive prices in the industry, made possible by our high percentage of repeat business. We have the most advanced, direct email technology, employed by only a knowledgeable few in the world. Our expert programmers have made it possible for us to penetrate any email blocking filter in use. We have over 120 million active email addresses, increasing our list at the rate of half a million to one million a month. We will put your product or service instantly and directly into the hands of millions of prospects! You will have instant, guaranteed results, something no other form of marketing can claim. Our turn around time is a remarkable 24 hours. Our email addresses are sorted by country, state and target. Your marketing campaign will speed with pinpoint accuracy to your desired audience! Your message can be presented in any language you wish, as plain text if you desire simplicity, or in html with color and graphics. Call us for a free consultation at (323)- 851- 8386 [U.S.A.]. We are open 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. No one understands the global market like we do. For a limited time, take advantage of our holiday special -- two million general U.S. emails for just $450 per million! We include, at no cost, a bullet proof email address for 30 days, a $400 value! BULK EMAIL PRICES 500,000........................$375 750,000........................$562 1,200,000........................$720 1,600,000.................. ...$960 3,000,000......................$1,500 3,000,000+ ...................PLEASE CALL FOR A QUOTE Resellers welcome. We accept Visa, MasterCard and check by FAX. DON'T WAIT! LET TECH DATA TECHNOLOGIES BE YOUR PARTNER!! Under Bill s.1618 TITLE III passed by the 105th U.S. Congress this letter is not considered "spam" as long as we include: 1) contact information and, 2) the way to be removed from future mailings (see below).To Remove Yourself >>From This List: reply to this email with the email address that you would like removed and the word REMOVE in the subject heading. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:41:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXEYE5C87W002AYO@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Thu, 7 Dec 2000 07:41:37 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:40:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-r17.mail.aol.com (imo-r17.mx.aol.com [152.163.225.71]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:40:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from Mkeowl@aol.com by imo-r17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.34.) id h.99.d9e418c (4181) for ; Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:39:35 -0500 (EST) Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2000 07:39:35 -0500 (EST) From: Mkeowl@aol.com Subject: Re: W-EMED (Fwd) BOUNCE wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <99.d9e418c.2760df07@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Unknown sub 171 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_99.d9e418c.2760df07_boundary" Content-disposition: Inline Precedence: bulk --part1_99.d9e418c.2760df07_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I personally have only have about 4 spam sent to my computer in the last week. Not all that bad -- compared to the junk I get from AOL (sometimes 8 a day...) Linda (home at last!...), Chouette (Wow! I thought you had sold our house and we were to live in the car forever...), and Cricket (is THIS where we LIVE? REALLY???!!) all in VA --part1_99.d9e418c.2760df07_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I personally have only have about 4 spam sent to my computer in the last
week. Not all that bad -- compared to the junk I get from AOL (sometimes 8 a
day...)

Linda (home at last!...), Chouette (Wow! I thought you had sold our house and
we were to live in the car forever...), and Cricket (is THIS where we LIVE?
REALLY???!!) all in VA --part1_99.d9e418c.2760df07_boundary-- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:32:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXE6TGU2BY0024E1@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 18:32:15 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from gtei2.bellatlantic.net (gtei2.bellatlantic.net [199.45.39.161]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:31:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Laptop (adsl-141-151-137-150.bellatlantic.net [141.151.137.150]) by gtei2.bellatlantic.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA23799; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:31:38 -0500 (EST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 18:32:07 -0500 From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" Subject: W-EMED (Fwd) BOUNCE wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: aking@wfumc.edu Cc: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3A2E8627.12839.5B2FB19@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk At the point of belaboring the obvious, a reminder to all that (1) majordomo filters out such requests when sent to the list address, sparing all the list members from such semi-spam, and (2) each and every message from the list contains information on how to get off the list at the end, and (3) to remember that, occasionally, Majordomo will misunderstand a word in the first several lines of your message as relating to a request that should really be routed to Majordomo or somewhere else -- and will send the message instead to the listowner, and (4) sorry for the spam -- it's still better for list members that the list remain open for now (though the spam is getting worse, and it may become necessary to "close" the list so that members may only send messages under the address under which they subscribed. BTW, the listowners do NOT respond to messages that should be sent to Majordomo, but are sent to the list and bounced to the listowners. Thank you. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date sent: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 08:05:55 -0500 (EST) Subject: BOUNCE wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu: Admin request of type /\bremove\s+me\b/i at line 1 To: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Wed Dec 6 08:05:52 2000 Received: from mail.wfubmc.edu ([152.11.200.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:05:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from webmail ([152.11.200.5]) by mail.wfubmc.edu (Netscape Messaging Server 3.61) with SMTP id AAA651D for ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:10:23 -0500 From: aking@wfubmc.edu (Anita King) To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: REMOVE X-Mailer: Netscape Messenger Express 3.5.2 [Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; AOL 5.0; Windows 98; Compaq; DigExt)] Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2000 08:10:22 -0500 Message-ID: <77376B253FE.AAA651D@mail.wfubmc.edu> REMOVE ME NOW aking@wfumc.edu ------- End of forwarded message ------- --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover sent with Pegasus high-security email download free from www.pmail.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:43:03 -0500 (EST) Disposition-notification-to: kruegerd@earthlink.net Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXDQFPYDL200245Z@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Wed, 6 Dec 2000 10:43:02 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:42:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (nyf-ny8-06.ix.netcom.com [198.211.17.198]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (EL-8_9_3_3/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA12777 for ; Wed, 06 Dec 2000 07:42:41 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2000 10:42:47 -0500 From: David Krueger Subject: Re: W-EMED . Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <000b01c05f9b$320daae0$c611d3c6@oemcomputer> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6600 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Precedence: bulk References: <000701c05f93$a42519e0$6d0aa8c0@worldfactors.com> Thanks! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sol Roter" To: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 9:48 AM Subject: RE: W-EMED . > I have put a call into them. I want to share my love for SPAM with them > first hand. > > Sol Roter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of > hjghjgjh@yahoo.com > Sent: December 5, 2000 9:30 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: W-EMED . > > > The Internet's Finest and Most Reliable Bulk Email Provider! > > Since 1996, Tech Data Technologies has provided bulk email service to > thousands of well-satisfied customers. We offer the most competitive prices > in the industry, made possible by our high percentage of repeat business. We > have the most advanced, direct email technology, employed by only a > knowledgeable few in the world. Our expert programmers have made it possible > for us to penetrate any email blocking filter in use. > > We have over 120 million active email addresses, increasing our list at the > rate of half a million to one million a month. We will put your product or > service instantly and directly into the hands of millions of prospects! You > will have instant, guaranteed results, something no other form of marketing > can claim. Our turn around time is a remarkable 24 hours. > > Our email addresses are sorted by country, state and target. Your marketing > campaign will speed with pinpoint accuracy to your desired audience! > > Your message can be presented in any language you wish, as plain text if you > desire simplicity, or in html with color and graphics. > > Call us for a free consultation at (323)- 851- 8386 [U.S.A.]. We are open > 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. No one understands the global market like we > do. > > For a limited time, take advantage of our holiday special -- two million > general U.S. emails for just $450 per million! 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JXB0F9AEN6001119@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Mon, 4 Dec 2000 11:56:37 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f41.law7.hotmail.com [216.33.237.41]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 11:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 08:55:20 -0800 Received: from 216.254.152.227 by lw7fd.law7.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 04 Dec 2000 16:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 04 Dec 2000 09:55:20 -0700 From: Mike Webster Subject: W-EMED Re:Aquamira Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed Precedence: bulk X-Originating-IP: [216.254.152.227] X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Dec 2000 16:55:20.0777 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCA99B90:01C05E12] There is a product being marketed in Canada called Pristine that sounds similar to the Aquamira purification system. Pristine is being marketed as an alternative to iodine, being that it is easy to carry like iodine (as opposed to a heavier water filter that could break down) but has no after taste. Pristine is sold in a two bottle system. Bottle (A) contains 2% stabilized chlorine dioxide, while bottle (B) contains 5% food grade phosphoric acid. For 1 liter of water, it is suggested to add 7 drops of part (A) to 7 drops of part (B) in a seperate mixing cap, wait 10 minutes then add to the 1 liter of water and then let stand 15 minutes before drinking. If the water is very cold then more time and a stronger solution mix is needed. Pristine is manufactured and sold by Advance Chemicals Ltd. from Langley, British Columbia. I believe this product is fairly similar to Aquamira. I have used Pristine for 3 to 4 day long trips in the British Columbia interior however I was drinking water from glacial sources that potentially wasn't contaminated anyway. But, I do know people that have used the same product for 2 week long canoe trips in Ontario where giardia levels are much more prevalent. In both cases, this product seemed to work as no one became sick, during or after. And there is no after taste. Mike Webster, WEMT Toronto, Canada _____________________________________________________________________________________ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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The local guides insisted that members of the group ate popcorn every day, which on enquiry by my friend was stated to be as effective as Diamox (or acetazolamide) for altitude sickness. Any idea if this is actually the case and what principles are involved. Gerry -- Dr. Gerard Butler CEng MIEE, (EI0CH, WEMT) TELTEC Radio Systems and Propagation Group, Trinity College, Dublin Ireland (Ph +353-1-6081743) Dublin+Wicklow Mountain Rescue Team Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:31:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JX9J5TW3WE000ZU8@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 10:31:51 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:31:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:31:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from Laptop ("port 1676"@[136.142.23.164]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JX9J555RJ40014RK@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:31:20 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 10:31:16 -0500 From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" Subject: Re: W-EMED Aquamira In-reply-to: <3A28FA97.CBA9C1B3@rmi.net> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: Buck Tilton , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3A2A20F4.7841.2B5D67F@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk On 2 Dec 2000, at 6:35, Buck Tilton wrote: > I keep hearing claims that a field water treatment called Aquamira > works, but I haven't been able to find any facts. Does anyone know > anything about the product? Thanks very much. Hi, Buck. Never heard of it, but you spurred my interest. I hope there are some microbiologists and chemists out there who can help, but below is what I've been able to find out. A quick search at www.profusion.com (my favorite metasearch site) led me onwards, and onwards, and I found: - a "review" at http://www.outdoorreview.com/reviews/Water_Filters/ which is actually just a plea for a review, - http://www.mcnett.com/Fishing/index.html (distributor's website) where the is a bunch of information, including a PDF datasheet. It's interesting in that there are two parts to it. First is that there is an AquaMira water bottle, with a "tortuous path" charcoal filter that is the "approximate equivalent" of a 2-micron filter. And a two-micron filter isn't a very small filter, i.e., it won't filter out bacteria, though it may filter out big things like Giardia or leaves . There is also a chemical system, which can be used with the bottle/filter system, which uses chlorine dioxide rather than chlorine itself, combined with an activated charcoal filter. As you and many others know, chlorine, though used for municipal water treatment, requires long contact times to kill most pathogens, and even with long treatment times, won't kill some of them. Interestingly, the only claims made on the website are that "kills odor-causing bacteria and improves the taste of water from rivers, lakes, streams, tap water and more." Doesn't say it'll keep you from getting hepatitis, the runs, or the purple-spotted mange. The FAQ says "Water treated with AQUAMIRA is safe to drink on a regular basis when treated as directed. Other water treatment chemicals may create foul tastes and odors, and discolor water. Some chemicals, like iodine, chlorine, and other halogens, create potentially harmful by-products." Note that that's PURE WATER treated with the stuff, not what you squeeze out of pond-scum. So they don't _claim_ that it's the equivalent of other water treatments such as microfiltration or iodine methods. Interestingly, if you check http://www.adventuretravel.com/2000wc_sponsors.htm you'll see "AquaMira - McNett Corporation Water Treatment and Filtration Technology. The official water treatment and filter of the Adventure Travel Society. Water purification treatment to kill a wide range of bacteria, viruses, and protozoa including E. Coli, Hepatitis A, Poliovirus, Giardia & Cryptosporidium." which I guess is an official statement that the think it actually kills these things. Chlorine dioxide is apparently well-accepted as a municipal water treatment; see http://www.clo2.com/ . One of the reasons it's popular is that, compared to other free chlorine methods, it produces less in the way of chlorinated organic products (big problem for paper mills, still a concern for municipal water, less of a concern for wilderness use). It "bleaches" and kills various microorganisms. It breaks down to chlorite ion, which is not nearly so effective a disinfectant as chlorine dioxide -- which is why the system insists the chlorine dioxide be made fresh each time with the Aquamira system. More chemical details are available at http://www.clo2.com/reading/drinking/recent/recent.html . Clorox and similar "chlorine" bleaches (see http://www.esemag.com/0596/bleach.html) contain sodium hypochlorite, NaOCl. In water, this dissociates to sodium ions (Na+) and hypochlorite ions, also known as chlorite ions (OCl-). These are essentially the breakdown product of chlorine dioxide, but a weak disinfectant in their own right. This can be an effective water disinfectant, and is recommended for disaster situations (see http://www.fema.gov/pte/foodwtr.htm) at 16 drops of 5.25% sodium hypochlorite ("regular" Clorox) per gallon, which is four drops per liter, for a 30 minute contact time. This, however, has been shown to not kill off some pathogenic organisms (Entamoeba histolytica cysts are the classic case) and even long contact times, especially with lots of organic material in the water, or with very cold water, may not kill certain pathogens. Too, "chlorine" bleaches with sodium hypochlorite tend to decompose at a rate of about 0.5-1% per month. So, chlorine dioxide should theoretically be superior to chlorine methods -- and as indicated in some of the above references, is used in many municipal water treatment facilities, replacing gaseous chlorine or sodium hypochlorite solutions to minimize carcinogenic chlorinated organic compounds. However, chlorine dioxide is only _one_ component of these systems, and I was unable to find any information about E histolytica being killed by chlorine dioxide, nor any comparison of chlorine dioxide compared to iodine-resin filters (my current favorite), iodine tablets or solution. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover sent with Pegasus high-security email download free from www.pmail.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:06:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JX9E3PS9BG000ZU8@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sun, 3 Dec 2000 08:06:35 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 08:05:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 08:05:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from Laptop ("port 1251"@[136.142.23.164]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JX9E2RUQ4M001MOY@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Sun, 03 Dec 2000 08:05:53 -0500 (EST) Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 08:05:48 -0500 From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" Subject: Re: W-EMED Re:Wilderness Airway kit In-reply-to: <1e.df1435d.275a8a5b@aol.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: Search4umedc@aol.com, wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3A29FEDC.24665.230A601@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.12c) Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Precedence: bulk On 2 Dec 2000, at 12:24, Search4umedc@aol.com wrote: > Does any one have suggestions on what I should carry in an ALS airway > kit? I'm a straight blade fan in tubing - will a size 2 and 3 be > enough? Weight is a consideration, especially the O2 Minimalist: take a single 6.5 or 7.0 ET tube, two pair of exam gloves, and learn digital intubation. Heavy-duty lightweight: get two Eveready Lithium disposable AA cells, and two spares, and an AA-cell standard laryngoscope handle, and some of the extremely lightweight German disposable plastic blades -- I got mine from Parr (www.parr-emergency.com). Kitchen Sink: take one anaesthesiologist with lots of trauma experience. Ask him or her to get everything he or she might need for a bad airway -- gum elastic bougie, LMA, retrograde kit, fiberoptic scope, generator for the fiberoptic scope. Package equipment and anaesthesiologist neatly, send to Mountain House so they can freeze-dry and compress and seal in foil like the LRP military rations. Take care. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover sent with Pegasus high-security email download free from www.pmail.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb2i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.162]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JX88UNI41I001L4E@mb2i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 12:25:43 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:25:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo-d09.mx.aol.com (imo-d09.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.41]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:25:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from Search4umedc@aol.com by imo-d09.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.33.) id h.1e.df1435d (7543) for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 12:24:43 -0500 (EST) From: Search4umedc@aol.com Subject: W-EMED Re:Wilderness Airway kit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <1e.df1435d.275a8a5b@aol.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: AOL for Macintosh sub 53 Content-type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk Does any one have suggestions on what I should carry in an ALS airway kit? I'm a straight blade fan in tubing - will a size 2 and 3 be enough? Weight is a consideration, especially the O2 Thanks Stef Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Return-Path: Received: from mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu (mb1i1.ns.pitt.edu [136.142.185.161]) by imap.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisimap-7.2.2.4) ID ; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (majordom@[136.142.185.20]) by pitt.edu (PMDF V5.2-32 #41462) with ESMTP id <01JX810J3EWS000WVY@mb1i0.ns.pitt.edu>; Sat, 2 Dec 2000 08:41:23 EST Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 08:39:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rmi.net (chevalier.rmi.net [166.93.8.14]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 08:38:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from rmi.net (dial-77.27.mtrco.rmi.net [166.93.77.27]) by mail.rmi.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA17381 for ; Sat, 02 Dec 2000 06:38:57 -0700 (MST) Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2000 06:35:20 -0700 From: Buck Tilton Subject: W-EMED Aquamira Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Reply-to: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3A28FA97.CBA9C1B3@rmi.net> Organization: Wilderness Medicine Institute MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk X-Accept-Language: en References: <3A1ECB5A.4673.4894476@localhost> I keep hearing claims that a field water treatment called Aquamira works, but I haven't been able to find any facts. Does anyone know anything about the product? Thanks very much. "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" wrote: > On 21 Nov 2000, at 21:45, MYScher@aol.com wrote: > > > Greetings Dr. Conover! > > > > In a W-EMED posting of 8/22/00 you wrote " When in the field with any > > hypothermic patient, add as much heat as you can. Given the danger of > > spontaneous v. fib, the sooner you can rewarm, the better." > > > > On the WEMSI website, in Advanced Treatment of Hypothermia you wrote that > > active rewarming should be delayed for the advanced facility. > > > > Could you clarify this for me, please? > > > > I'm preparing a discussion of this for my classmates for next week, and I > > don't clearly grasp what you're advocating. Is "add as much heat as you can" > > because we can't realistically rewarm the patient much in the field, vs. > > active (effective) rewarming? What would you suggest for an ambulance crew > > that might be transporting such a patient after a handoff from a rescue team? > > > > Thank you for your time. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Mordechai Y. Scher > > Combat Medic 09 (IDF) > > EMT, Spencer Rescue > > Paramedic student/intern > > Good question. > > 1. The amount of heat we can add in the field is very limited, so > massive rewarming (as in a hot tub) with attendant risk of rewarming > shock -- is impossible in the field. > > 2. The article you refer to (http://www.wemsi.org/alg.html) is actually > not by me, but is an "unofficial" posting at the website -- please > check http://www.wemsi.org/cold-30.pdf for the "official" > recommendations. > > 3. There was some talk about "avoid rapid rewarming in the field" in > the past, but the thrust of recent research and teaching has been to > kill this. > > By copy of this post I'll ask our Webmaster to make this more clear > on the Web site. > > Thanks. Take care. > > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP > http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover > sent with Pegasus high-security email > download free from www.pmail.com > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- ************************ Buck Tilton Wilderness Medicine Institute of NOLS P. O. Box 9 Pitkin, CO 81241 Phone 970-641-3572 Fax 970-641-0882 buck_tilton@nols.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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