Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25685 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jpf@tiac.net) Received: from jpf (p7.ts3.metro.MA.tiac.com [207.60.164.168]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08451 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jpf@tiac.net) Message-ID: <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> From: "Flanigan, John" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:37:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P45620.CNM I believe the web site you are after is http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/sections/em/pdm/ The abstract for the requested topic may be found at http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/sections/em/pdm/abstracts13.html#lung HTH -----Original Message----- From: Tim Kovacs To: WEMS News Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:29 PM Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine >Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an >article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am >no longer a subscriber to the periodical. > >Tim Kovacs, President >Mountain Rescue Association >tkovacs@goodnet.com >www.mra.org > >"You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt >to climb... >...It is a number of small points which have little significance >individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced >rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (d20-21.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.97.214]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id LAA11333 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:17:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> References: Conversation <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> with last message <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine-Lung Capas. q Hoist Ops Date: Thu, 31 Dec 98 10:57:49 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0C160.CNM You were correct! Thanks! Your choice of drinks is on me. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from emed.upmc.edu (pphled03.dwing.upmc.edu [128.147.175.164]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from EMERG_MED/SpoolDir by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Dec 98 11:33:55 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by EMERG_MED (Mercury 1.30); 30 Dec 98 11:33:51 -0500 Received: from JTG.upmc.edu by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 30 Dec 98 11:33:44 -0500 From: "Jack T. Grandey" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:26:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be3411$38684b00$7215e59d@JTG.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P001C0.CNM I had the same problem. JTG -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Tim Kovacs Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:47 To: WEMS News Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Thank you Thomas and Jack. However, I have been unable to access this website thus far - it keeps failing to load. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (d15-59.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.96.188]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id JAA09104 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:08:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03e201be3364$69d893a0$3a5919d0@tmcguire> References: Conversation <03e201be3364$69d893a0$3a5919d0@tmcguire> with last message <03e201be3364$69d893a0$3a5919d0@tmcguire> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Wed, 30 Dec 98 07:46:53 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P50D80.CNM Thank you Thomas and Jack. However, I have been unable to access this website thus far - it keeps failing to load. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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McGuire" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:49:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4CE60.CNM From: Jack T. Grandey To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 04:34 Subject: RE: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine >That publication was renamed Prehospital Emergency Care. It's URL is: >http://www.hanleyandbelfus.com/journals/pec.html Jack: Think that obit is premature. PDM is at http://pdm.medicine.wisc.edu/. The site has abstracts (and think I saw the lung compliance and hoisting item in question). Not in MEDLINE, unlike PEC. Some history: >Prehospital and Disaster Medicine, edited by Marvin L. Birnbaum, quarterly, $55 (individual), $78 (institutional), Pittsburgh, Pa, World Association for Disaster and Emergency Medicine, 1985—. >Prehospital and Disaster Medicine serves as the official journal of the World Association for Disaster and Emergency Medicine (WADEM) and the International Society of Disaster Medicine (ISDM). During 1997, while in its twelfth volume, WADEM became the solo publisher of this vehicle for the dissemination of scientific information on international emergency medical services and disaster medicine. The National Association of EMS Physicians (NAEMSP) parted from Prehospital and Disaster Medicine and WADEM to publish its own journal (Prehospital Emergency Care, reviewed in JAMA 1997;278:1794), geared toward the EMS community of the United States with an emphasis on prehospital issues. Prehospital and Disaster Medicine remains committed to the worldwide development and improvement of emergency and disaster medicine... Tally ho, Tom ******************* Thomas J. McGuire TMcGuire@LanMinds.com Berkeley Fire Department Chabot College Paramedic Program ******************* Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Grandey" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:23:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be3326$178f6580$7215e59d@JTG.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P16E30.CNM That publication was renamed Prehospital Emergency Care. It's URL is: http://www.hanleyandbelfus.com/journals/pec.html I don't know whether the archives can be located there, but it should give you a start. I do believe that it is Medlined back to 97. JTG -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Tim Kovacs Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 22:38 To: WEMS News Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am no longer a subscriber to the periodical. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com www.mra.org "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6A800.CNM Tim, PHD is published by Jems Communications. Try www. jems.com Howard At 07:38 PM 12/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an >article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am >no longer a subscriber to the periodical. _____________________________ Howard M. Paul, Member, Alpine Rescue Team, Colorado, USA http://www.heartbeat-of-evergreen.com/alpine/alpine.html Public Affairs Manager, Colorado SAR Board http://uvb.nrel.colostate.edu/~daveb/csrb/csrb_home.html "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes "If you don't care where you are, you cannot be lost" -- anon. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (d5-3.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.140.135.4]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id UAA07469 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:59:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Mon, 28 Dec 98 19:38:23 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3F680.CNM Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am no longer a subscriber to the periodical. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com www.mra.org "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from one (comp24.tcn.net [209.135.79.24]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12101 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:21:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812242021.PAA12101@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:51:28 +0000 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Merry Christmas to All Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29970.CNM Hi: A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New year from your WEMSI web site staff. Please pick up your Christmas gift at the very bottom of the WEMSI home page, And while you are there, check out the REPORT ON POACHING AT CAMP SOLES and all the new pages that have been added in the past few days. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from orionc0.orion.org (orionc0.orion.org [198.209.8.196]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by orionc0.orion.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA16832; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:27:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:27:43 -0600 (CST) From: Charles F Dusha X-Sender: cdusha@orionc0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR In-Reply-To: <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0B880.CNM Chris, If you are planning on being around the central US, Missouri, Arkansas, especially Southwest Mo., there is the possibility of your doing some ride along time in this area. I have contacts at quite a few EMS and Fire agencies in the area, and would be happy to make inquiries if you are interested. Drop a line to let me know. Good luck. Charlie Dusha, EMT-P, etc. Charles F. Dusha P O Box 1156 Pt. Lookout, MO 65726 1-800-216-3133 Pin # 5010226 (dig pager) cdusha@mail.orion.org or cdusha@juno.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (d9-20.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.106.21]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id UAA25832; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:58:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" , "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 20:39:39 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2F080.CNM Let me know if I can help place you with one of our 80 teams in the US, no frills, you understand, and many of them are volunteer. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association Paramedic/ Ops Leader tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (d9-20.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.106.21]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id UAA24611 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:56:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: WE-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 20:37:12 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29F70.CNM Deborah, you're a peach. Thanks....I'd like to hear more about your team, but don't want to tie the lister up. I'm at tkovacs@goodnet.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.com (s4m123.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-11 #30440) with ESMTP id <01J5DVB78PZM00019D@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:44:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:45:53 +0100 From: "C. Neitzel" Subject: W-EMED request for further info To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3676E6A0.7D45DB7@mail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-QXW0310a (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <000e01be2859$aca75380$65738bce@oemcomputer> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29D90.CNM Hello James, thank you for your mail. i am really interested in your work, and it would be nice if you would send me some further information on your service. tell me what you like to know about me. Christian james bender schrieb: > Hi, > At our service in Maine, we have a rural preceptor program for EMS. Our > service covers about 1200+ square miles, with both wilderness and snowmobile > rescues. Give me some E mail if interested. > James > jbender@somtel.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Neitzel > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 6:05 AM > Subject: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR > > i´ve just subscribed and would like to introduce myself: my name is > christian > neitzel, i am 22 years old and live in germany. actually i am studying > medicine to become a doctor lateron, but i am also working as a > paramedic (my > education is called "rettungssanitaeter" here, i think it is comparable > to > some kind of emt) volunteerly. i am an active soldier of the german army > (officer cadet of the medical corps; my rank is comparable to an > sergeant). > to gain experiences, i am looking for a chance to work at the usa or > canada > either at the regular ems or at some kind of wilderness or sar duty for > a > period of about one month. maybe one of you guys knows someone to talk > to. > > thanks, > > Chris > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from quint.somtel.com (Quint.somtel.com [206.139.114.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-k-34.somtel.com [206.139.115.101]) by quint.somtel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA31037 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be2859$aca75380$65738bce@oemcomputer> From: "james bender" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:35:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P62F40.CNM Hi, At our service in Maine, we have a rural preceptor program for EMS. Our service covers about 1200+ square miles, with both wilderness and snowmobile rescues. Give me some E mail if interested. James jbender@somtel.com -----Original Message----- From: C. Neitzel To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 6:05 AM Subject: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR i´ve just subscribed and would like to introduce myself: my name is christian neitzel, i am 22 years old and live in germany. actually i am studying medicine to become a doctor lateron, but i am also working as a paramedic (my education is called "rettungssanitaeter" here, i think it is comparable to some kind of emt) volunteerly. i am an active soldier of the german army (officer cadet of the medical corps; my rank is comparable to an sergeant). to gain experiences, i am looking for a chance to work at the usa or canada either at the regular ems or at some kind of wilderness or sar duty for a period of about one month. maybe one of you guys knows someone to talk to. thanks, Chris Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.com (s4m202.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-11 #30440) with ESMTP id <01J5DKPEXWL200014N@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:40:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:41:59 +0100 From: "C. Neitzel" Subject: W-EMED Your invitation To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <36769F67.AB6B87B@mail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-QXW0310a (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P68040.CNM Dear Jeff, thank you for your mail. i´ve not found out yet where exactly petaluma lies, but i´ve got relatives of mine living at salinas, ca, so be sure that i´ll take a look if i am over there. maybe it is of some use for you to know what exactly i have learned. i have been working at the ems of my area since i am 18 (i´ve been very active in lifeguarding the time ago). becoming 19 and finishing school, i´ve joined the army medical corps for two years as an officer cadet of the reserve. i found out that i liked it and signed for additionell 17 years to become a military surgeon of the german army. during the past two years i´ve been working altogether five months at the emergency room, emergency op and emergency and intensive care unit of the german army hospital at koblenz, which is the main hospital of the german federal forces. i´ve spent another six monthes on instruction courses and trainings, the remaining time i´ve done basic instructions as a drill sergeant. i am looking for a chance to work for a short period of time at the german army sar, but since there crashed some choppers during the last years, they are very carefull with taking trainees on board. anyhow, i am really looking forward to visit your training centre. be sure i´ll come around if i happen to be in california. thanks a lot, christian p.s.: ongemach sounds very german. german ancestors? 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from esualaex01.ESUALAMEDA.uscg.mil ([10.33.32.103]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26485 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by ESUALAEX01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:29:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ongemach, Jeff PO" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: RE: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:29:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P06E10.CNM Christian, I am Jeff. I work as an instructor teaching US Coast Guard students to be EMT's. I would love to assist you in any way possible to meet your goal. Please stay in contact, and maybe you can come out to the school for a look at our training when you are here. Also, I will forward you request onto some EMS pros I know. By the way your english is impecable. Later, J HS1 Jeffrey W. Ongemach EMT School Instructor USCG Training Center Petaluma 599 Tomales Road Petaluma, CA 94952-5000 707-765-7048 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.com (s4m131.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-11 #30440) with ESMTP id <01J5D639R10Q000111@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:41:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:43:20 +0100 From: "C. Neitzel" Subject: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-QXW0310a (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P56F10.CNM i´ve just subscribed and would like to introduce myself: my name is christian neitzel, i am 22 years old and live in germany. actually i am studying medicine to become a doctor lateron, but i am also working as a paramedic (my education is called "rettungssanitaeter" here, i think it is comparable to some kind of emt) volunteerly. i am an active soldier of the german army (officer cadet of the medical corps; my rank is comparable to an sergeant). to gain experiences, i am looking for a chance to work at the usa or canada either at the regular ems or at some kind of wilderness or sar duty for a period of about one month. maybe one of you guys knows someone to talk to. thanks, Chris Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.199]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pcrs242@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWG67N8J; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:41:41 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:38:57 -0500 Subject: W-EMED Re: WE-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Message-ID: <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-53,61-67 From: pcrs242@Juno.com (Deborah M Gessner) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P778A0.CNM On Thu, 05 Nov 98 22:30:58 PST "Tim Kovacs" writes: >Thanks for the thoughts. I knew I'd open myself to questions... >here are the variety of "missions" which have denoted the contents of >my >pack over the years. >We (and namely I) also respond to situations in addition to wilderness >medical SAR. I use my bag for tactical callouts; working sworn Lake >Patrol >with the Sheriff's Office; hopping on our Bell 407 for a remote >response. >We have one particular area called the Salt River where I can respond >to >20-40 EMS calls a shift, including drownings, stings, bites and codes. >For Mtn Rescue, this is just a "first in" hasty kit. I call for more >supplies with subsequent teams coming in or they are short hauled in >to me. >I have a whole second bag and second drug kit to sustain me in longer >operations, chemical exposures, etc.We have had numerous occasions to >use >the items I described, but the list did not include some other items I >do >carry, like my foley and leg bag set up, and all the other useful WEMT >stuff - I just wanted to give you all a general idea so you could >picture >what I need in size. I also deal with a whole lot of dehydration >(Arizona). >Finally, I use the same kit when I respond seasonally to Wildland fire >medical units. > >I don't carry Hespan, and am looking into that and a few other items >which >we can get through expanded standing orders. >I still am holding on to the BP cuff, though. It helps me for trending >a >lot of the clients I end up with for extended periods, and to trend, >treat >and release those orhtostatic dehydration cases. > >I haven't heard of PARR medical and would love to hear about their >self >contained BG kit. Do you have contact info for them? >I've draw the line at taking the I-Stat out (chuckle intended). The >accucheck was a cheap (free) choice with my budget. > >Thanks again for the feedback. > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe >wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Tim maybe I can help or at least put you in contact with a person that has been a part of search and rescue for a long time. When he found it more and more difficult to find SAR types of supplies so he started his on business to supply the SAR community. We order from him for our group, and have always been pleased. The packs are sturdy and handle a lot. Check them out and tell him I sent you. I am Deborah Gessner, Coordinator of LONG WAY HOME SEARCH AND RESCUE located in Pulaski County, Dublin Va.. My email for SAR is: longwayhome-sar@juno.com Contact: Search Gear 1-800-474-2612 Also check them out on the web: www.searchgear.com Let me know what you think Deb---LWHSAR ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from uucp.iafrica.com (uucp.iafrica.com [196.7.0.177]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (1906 bytes) by uucp.iafrica.com via sendmail with P:UUCP/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:57:56 +0200 (SAST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Oct-29) Received: from medinfo.iplan.co.za (medinfo.iplan.co.za [196.16.129.16]) by cthru.iplan.co.za (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA31453 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:40:51 +0200 Received: from MEDINFO/SpoolDir by medinfo.iplan.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 24 Nov 98 10:23:02 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by MEDINFO (Mercury 1.30); 24 Nov 98 10:22:44 +0200 From: "Rob Thomas" X-Real-Sender: ROBT Organization: Infoplan To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:22:38 GMT+2 Subject: W-EMED EMOX Oxygen generator, heated full body splints X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <7447A4685F@medinfo.iplan.co.za> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P10DF0.CNM Hi I remember some time ago there was a great deal of talk concerning the EmOx O2 generator on this list, as well as a number of queries concerning what had happened to the company. Well, at the Defence Expo (DEXSA) last week, I found their brochure again. EmOx International P. O. Box 79 Somerset West 7129 Rep of South Africa http://users.iafrica.com/e/em/emox emox@iafrica.com I also found brochures from SAVER, a company manufacturing incubators, etc. They have : heated casualty wraps --------------------- 12v/24v dc input 32/34 watt heat dissipation working t -20 C to +39 C T resolution 1 C heated full-body vacuum splints ------------------------------- 12v/24v dc input 32/34 watt heat dissipation working t -20 C to +39 C T resolution 1 C heated stretcher blankets ------------------------- Saver, a division of NASCHEM saver@mail.naschem.co.za +27-18-299-8587 Regards Rob Rob Thomas (robert@medinfo.iplan.co.za) Phone : 450-2957 (Work), Pretoria (012), South Africa (+27) Cell: 082-652-2540 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from RonOldfield [208.167.52.88] by Montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zi5nS-0006jT-00 (Debian); Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:53:35 -0500 Message-ID: <003201be173c$e21bc560$5834a7d0@RonOldfield> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED WMS Web Site Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:56:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P06920.CNM CAN FIND AT http://www.wms.org/ -----Original Message----- From: JSilver374@aol.com To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 6:32 PM Subject: W-EMED WMS Web Site >Does anyone know where the WMS web site went to? Used to be at: >http://www.a1.com/wms/ which is now a dead link. > >Thanks in advance, >Jonathan Silver >Bloomfield, NJ >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscnt02.midsouth.net (host3.midsouth.net [207.65.92.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from kitt (207.65.92.169) by mscnt02.midsouth.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 20 Nov 1998 23:18:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3655B9CE000004E2@mscnt02.midsouth.net> (added by mscnt02.midsouth.net) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ralph A Brigham" Organization: ER-NCRC, OTR MEDSTAPH To: JSilver374@aol.com, wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:18:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED WMS Web Site CC: rabrigham@midsouth.net In-reply-to: <4fc68e2d.3655ea56@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P14630.CNM Jonathan, et al; In regard to your query, I just got my WMS newsletter and they have moved physically and on the web. They moved their office to Colorado Springs CO and -- http://www.wms.org is their website. Hope that this datum is of value -- Ralph B. * * * * * * * "SUPPORT PERSONNEL ARE AS IMPORTANT AS RESCUERS AT A MISSION" Ralph A Brigham NSS 22048RL 931-906-9277 939 S Riverside Dr, APT H-61 Clarksville TN 37040-3158 Member: WMS, NSS, ER-NCRC, & NASAR Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-a1-11.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.21]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811210252.VAA01912@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: nigel dyson-hudson , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED does your group have a policy statement about pregnant members? CC: mra@altadena.net In-reply-to: <3615641B0000000A@hotweb.notesdomino.com> (added by hotweb.notesdomino.com) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Hmm. I do remember Loui Clem talking about a high-altitude rescue she did when 9 months pregnant . . . . Don't think most of our MRA or NCRC teams have such a policy, and if Loui is any indication, doubt we'll have one! Speaking as a physician, but not as an OB, I don't think _most_ rescue work is any more hazardous to a pregnant woman in good shape than, say, driving on the highway (which is actually _quite_ dangerous -- riskiest part of any rescue!) On 18 Nov 98, at 6:47, nigel dyson-hudson wrote: > Our Board of Fire Commissioners decided to swat a hornets nest last month. > > Our department's EMS director is pregnant. > > The Fire Commissioners now are putting in to the district policy manual a > requirement that pregnant members go on "light duty," admistrative duty > or leave. > > I searched Alta Vista and found that Harvard had an 11p report on the > Charlotte NC Fire Department and such issues. > > thanks in advance, nigel > nigel dyson-hudson, InternetSmiths, ndh@InternetSmiths.com > > Internet and Notes Domino since the beginning. > > "mad dogs and Englishmen" and I am both! > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-a1-11.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.21]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811210251.VAA01826@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: Amelia Randolph , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED student rotations In-reply-to: <36503DC0.736C914F@po-box.mcgill.ca> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P09E90.CNM On 16 Nov 98, at 9:59, Amelia Randolph wrote: > Hello, > > I'm interested in doing a medical school rotation in wilderness medicine. Can anyone help > point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. In addition to the nice reply already posted to the list, let me say that I would love to have a medical student rotation here -- but nobody will cough of the money to allow me to take time off from work to do this! For a resident rotation, the'll give me 12 hours off over a month (for a task that taks about 40-50 hours of my time during the month) but my boss isn't willing to do it for a student rotation. That's the root problem -- there are plenty of us involved in wilderness medicine who'd like to teach students, but the realities of only having X amount of time, and of still having to work overtime to pay off medical student loans, means that many people who'd like to offer student rotations simply can't afford it. Sigh. Trouble is that wilderness medicine, as interesting as it is, doesn't generate money, unlike other subspecialties such as toxicology. And maybe, just maybe, some interested students can work on finding a source of grants to allow rotation . . . --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: JSilver374@aol.com Received: from JSilver374@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BTVSa19406 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:16:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4fc68e2d.3655ea56@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:16:54 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED WMS Web Site Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0D450.CNM Does anyone know where the WMS web site went to? Used to be at: http://www.a1.com/wms/ which is now a dead link. Thanks in advance, Jonathan Silver Bloomfield, NJ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: From: Self To: Amelia Randolph ,wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED student rotations Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:02:13 -0500 On 16 Nov 98, at 9:59, Amelia Randolph wrote: > Hello, > > I'm interested in doing a medical school rotation in wilderness medicine. Can anyone help > point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. In addition to the nice reply already posted to the list, let me say that I would love to have a medical student rotation here -- but nobody will cough of the money to allow me to take time off from work to do this! For a resident rotation, the'll give me 12 hours off over a month (for a task that taks about 40-50 hours of my time during the month) but my boss isn't willing to do it for a student rotation. That's the root problem -- there are plenty of us involved in wilderness medicine who'd like to teach students, but the realities of only having X amount of time, and of still having to work overtime to pay off medical student loans, means that many people who'd like to offer student rotations simply can't afford it. Sigh. Trouble is that wilderness medicine, as interesting as it is, doesn't generate money, unlike other subspecialties such as toxicology. And maybe, just maybe, some interested students can work on finding a source of grants to allow rotation . . . -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.fuse.net (radius2.fuse.net [206.230.21.72]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fuse.net (blackbird-88.day.fuse.net [208.23.223.216]) by enterprise.fuse.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13234 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:10:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36545188.B161BB29@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:40 -0800 From: "Danny E S.ith" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P24620.CNM Tim Kovacs wrote: > Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk to load onto 486 > lap top. > > Tim Kovacs, President > Mountain Rescue Association > tkovacs@goodnet.com > > "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt > to climb... > ...It is a number of small points which have little significance > individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced > rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu How do I get these forms? Danny E. Smith, TSgt, USAFR EMS Coordinator 445 ASTS WPAFB, OH Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from plumcreek.com (mail.plumcreek.com [206.252.251.220]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plumcreek-Message_Server by plumcreek.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:18:28 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:18:02 -0700 From: "Robert Lee" To: tkovacs@goodnet.com, sar-l@islandnet.com Cc: mra@altadena.net, wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED Re: ICS Forms on disk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu id KAA00859 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Hi Tim, Check out Bay Area Search & Rescue Council's webpage (http://www.basarc.org). Scroll down to "Incident Command System and SAR form. There's all you could dream of. They are really good. ****************************** Robert M. Lee, III Plum Creek Timber Co., L.P. 140 N. Russell Missoula MT 59801 406/542-3266 rlee@plumcreek.com >>> "Tim Kovacs" 11/18 9:34 PM >>> Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk to load onto 486 lap top. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsmail.acsworld.net (newsmail.acsworld.net [12.4.184.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.4.188.106]) by newsmail.acsworld.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 35-56972U4000L400S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:26:52 -0500 Message-ID: <36542AA5.2E946966@acsworld.net> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:26:46 -0500 From: jhill@acsworld.net (James Hill, Jr.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P47DE0.CNM I think the program CASIE II which is a Search and Rescue "overhead function" program has the forms as a pull down within the program. I'm off on vacation till end of 1st week in Dec. if you've not located any by then, email me and I'll get you an old copy of CASIE Jim Hill > Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk > to load onto 486 > lap top. > > Tim Kovacs, President > Mountain Rescue Association > tkovacs@goodnet.com > > "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until > they have learnt > to climb... > ...It is a number of small points which have little > significance > individually that, considered together, spell danger to > the experienced > rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe > wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: > Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: > wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a10.phoenix-2.goodnet.com [207.98.134.99]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id KAA09077 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:09:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36545188.B161BB29@fuse.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk Date: Thu, 19 Nov 98 08:51:42 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6C0A0.CNM To Danny Smith, USAF When I get them, I'll let you all know. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a7.phoenix-5.goodnet.com [207.98.133.38]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id VAA11718; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:51:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "SAR-L" Cc: "MRA" , "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 20:34:31 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk to load onto 486 lap top. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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(sharpshin.med.unc.edu [152.2.119.45]) by raven.med.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06248; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.2.53.205] by sharpshin.med.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00309; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:50:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199811182150.QAA00309@sharpshin.med.unc.edu.> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:49:43 +0000 From: hawkise@med.unc.edu (Seth Collings Hawkins) To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Cc: arando@po-box.mcgill.ca (Amelia Randolph), angus_christie@med.unc.edu, michael_gallagher@med.unc.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED student rotations X-Mailer: Siren Mail for Macintosh 4.0.2 X-Sender: hawkise@siren.med.unc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P57F90.CNM Amelia (and wem list), Carolina Wilderness Medicine, a wilderness medicine interest group based at UNC-Chapel Hill School of Med, has been trying to start a list of 4th year wilderness medicine rotations available nationally for some time. What we've found is that most schools do not offer and are not receptive to setting up formal wilderness medicine programs. I think we may have found 1 or 2 west of the Miss., but they didn't seem very ideal. Part of this is due to the novelty of wilderness medicine (lack of academic acceptance), but even more importantly, few of the people actually practicing wilderness med have positions at tertiary care centers/med schools. So most of the students we know who had success in getting a 4th year wilderness medicine rotation set up their own experience, and usually completed it for fam med or emergency med credit. For instance, one student went out to CO and worked with a doc who was also medical control for a SAR/caving rescue team. He also developed a slide show presentation (ie, produced demonstrable research), and did some other activities in other parts of the interior west. This kind of patchwork approach seems to work well. The student's name is Tom Archie, he's now doing a fam med residency in CO, I think CO Springs or Ft. Collins area. I'll try to find his info, or you could try to get it on the web, he'd be good to talk to. Another student went down to work with a mtn rescue team in the Andes. Other single rotations that are effective include working the ER in national parks, doing research at high-altitude labs in Alaska or Nepal, teaming up with a disaster medicine doc, or someone working in an extremely rural clinic either here or out of the country. Just some ideas. Please let us know what you find out--I'd be curious for myself, we're still (somewhat slowly) trying to compile a directory of "ideas"/experiences, and I'll bet the listserv would be interested. I've also thought about trying to get some sort of clearinghouse through the Wilderness Medical Society (since they're probably the most logical nexus) which would hook up students interested in wilderness medicine experience and docs doing this work who are willing to take on students. Hope all's well in Canada, and that you had/will have a good time in Australia (!), Seth -- Begin original message -- > I'm interested in doing a medical school rotation in wilderness medicine. Can anyone > help > point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. -- End original message -- ---------------------------------- Seth Collings Hawkins UNC-Chapel Hill School of Medicine 207A Purefoy Rd, CH, NC 27514-4857 email address: hawkise@med.unc.edu permanent alias: hawk@aya.yale.edu ---------------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a7.phoenix-5.goodnet.com [207.98.133.38]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id QAA02535; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:56:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" Cc: "Amelia Randolph" , angus_christie@med.unc.edu, michael_gallagher@med.unc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED student rotations Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:38:36 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P527B0.CNM Amelia; Seth's response appeared quite complete to me. As an additional offering, The M.R.A. has teams' physicians who can sometimes help facilitate a rotation. If you redraft your initial email to me (tkovacs@goodnet.com), I'd be glad to forward it to the MRA's closed list server. It will be a limited group, but we'll help however we can for a good cause. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P1BE50.CNM Our Board of Fire Commissioners decided to swat a hornets nest last month. Our department's EMS director is pregnant. The Fire Commissioners now are putting in to the district policy manual a requirement that pregnant members go on "light duty," admistrative duty or leave. I searched Alta Vista and found that Harvard had an 11p report on the Charlotte NC Fire Department and such issues. thanks in advance, nigel nigel dyson-hudson, InternetSmiths, ndh@InternetSmiths.com Internet and Notes Domino since the beginning. "mad dogs and Englishmen" and I am both! Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Can anyone help point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. Sincerely, -- Amelia Randolph 4376 Madison Montreal, QC H4B 2V2 ph: 514-484-5616 fax: 514-481-3919 arando@po-box.mcgill.ca ___________________________ Physicians for Social Responsibility http://www.psr.org American Medical Students Association http://www.medcor.mcgill.ca/~amsa ___________________________ Man who says it cannot be done should not interrupt woman doing it. -Old Chinese Proverb Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for kconover@pop.pitt.edu; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail for kconover+@pitt.edu; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a12.phoenix-2.goodnet.com [207.98.134.163]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id IAA03355; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:34:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <364DBC75.C2C3BE2A@icon.co.za> References: Conversation <199811092057.PAA27893@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <364DBC75.C2C3BE2A@icon.co.za> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" , "Keith Conover" Cc: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Hot Oxy Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 07:16:45 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P52A41.CNM Perhaps this is our solution. If we can work with our local EMS / Public Safety helicopter(s), we could ensure the resource is available, and maybe secure some funding for one to be staged with one or more of these ships.You have definitely given me the idea for my area. Still doesn't solve the problem of securing it to the evac litter. I like to follow what you develop over time. Tim Kovacs, President Paramedic/ W Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from RonOldfield [208.167.52.29] by Montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zfS6u-0004yM-00 (Debian); Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be1183$c0791020$1d34a7d0@RonOldfield> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: W-EMED Mtn Rescue Packs Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:47:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0FEE.817DF020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 570950016 0 1 P1BDF0.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0FEE.817DF020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've found it, SKEDCO INC...P.O. Box 230487, Portland, Oregon 97281-0487 = USA Phone (503)639-2119.. FAX (503)639-4538 equipment is the Sked-Pak System give it a look see total the whole = system is under 600 I believe Good luck Ron ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0FEE.817DF020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.icon.co.za (relay.icon.co.za [196.26.208.4]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29990 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1998 14:09:42 -0000 Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (196.26.208.3) by relay.icon.co.za with SMTP; 16 Nov 1998 14:09:42 -0000 Received: from icon.co.za (m4-5-ndf.dial-up.net [196.34.156.197]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25668; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:09:36 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <364DBC75.C2C3BE2A@icon.co.za> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:23:01 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US,af,pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kconover+@pitt.edu CC: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Hot Oxy References: <199811092057.PAA27893@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4E9A0.CNM Hello all , After a delay due to work I answer Keith : No - I am sooooo far behind with my practice administration that this is low in my order of priorities , but is on the list of things to do . The main problem is that I do not have light oxygen cylinders , but these are also on the list . The breathing circuit part is easy - the carrying and fixing the bits and pieces to the stretcher will be difficult - even light weight cylinders are heavy . Ventilating the patient during a carry will be very difficult ( impossible with our lack of equipment now ) . We have neither the money nor the case load to justify buying a portable ventilator - if we ever need this I hope that we have the support of a helicopter with one . Arthur "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" wrote: > > On 8 Nov 98, at 14:26, Arthur Morgan wrote: > > > Many of the problems of rescue have been answered by the needs of > > anaesthesia . There are small filters that fit onto endotracheal tubes and > > will become warm and wet with expiration , then dump energy and water into > > the next inspired volume ( Heat and Moisture Exchangers ) . They are not > > perfect , and will obviously not add heat to the patient , only decrease > > loss ) but are much better than nothing , are relatively cheap , and are > > small . > > There are small disposable circle breathing systems with carbon dioxide > > absorbers available so that a small cylinder of oxygen will go a long way > > ( with skill a flow rate of less than 1 litre of fresh oxygen a minute is > > possible ) . I have not yet used these I rescue but I am thinking about > > them and in suitable situations they should be of help to decrease mass > > that needs to be carried , and improve the treatment of patients . The use > > of a circle system will by itself decrease the loss of water and heat . > > Have you tried rigging up any such systems for _non-intubated_ > patients and used them in real or simulated rescues? > > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP > http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from vader.ed.gov (vader.ed.gov [165.224.216.253]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgwy1.ed.gov (smtpgwy1.ed.gov [165.224.16.166]) by vader.ed.gov (8.9.1a/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA09098 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtpgwy1.ed.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 002A03FE; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:54:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002A03FE.003144@ed.gov> From: Peter_McCabe@ed.gov (Peter McCabe) To: , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED MTSmith pro-deals Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P2B030.CNM Maryland Search & Rescue Group, a member of the Appalachian SAR Conference and the Mountain Rescue Association, had a long standing pro-deal relationship with Mountainsmith since their early days until about 6 years ago. Phil and others at Mountainsmsith were very specific in indicating they would provide a 20% discount off retail through their distributors, but that was all. We were persistent, but to no avail. Peter McCabe M/SAR ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: W-EMED MTSmith pro-deals Author: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu at Internet Date: 11/12/98 06:42 AM Good morning; It's been a year & a half since I worked at Mountainsmith, but at that time, they were cutting back, even eliminating the Pro Deals altogether due to a variety of problems. Your best bet is to talk to Phil Mesdag if you want to get anything done, be persistent, but expect to be disappointed. Wish I could be of more help. Sorry! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Howard M. Paul To: gmdeluca@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 10:39 PM Subject: Help w/MtnSmith Pro deals? >Margaret, can you offer correct answers? If so, send to: >wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > >>Dan, >> >>Perhaps "PRO" pricing would be a more appropriate term to use. Mountainsmith >>has offered PRO pricing to National Ski Patrol members and I suspect they may >>offer similar offers to volunteer SAR/Wilderness rescue type folks. I >>suggest contacting Mountainsmith directly and advising them of your position >>and desires. >> >>Dave >> >>Dan Karlin wrote: >> >>> how does one go about obtaining wholesale prices on mountainsmith >>> equipment? thanks, >>> dan >>> >>> Dave or Tink wrote: >>> > Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency >>> > personnel which should provide significant savings for you.
Good morning; It's been a year & a half since I worked at Mountainsmith, but
at that time, they were cutting back, even eliminating the Pro Deals
altogether due to a variety of problems. Your best bet is to talk to Phil
Mesdag  if you want to get anything done, be persistent, but expect to be
disappointed. Wish I could be of more help. Sorry! Margaret
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard M. Paul <hmpaul@ecentral.com>
To: gmdeluca@prodigy.net <gmdeluca@prodigy.net>
Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: Help w/MtnSmith Pro deals?


>Margaret, can you offer correct answers?  If so, send to:
>wilderness-emergency-m edicine@list.pitt.edu
>
>
>
>>Dan,
>>
>>Perhaps "PRO" pricing would be a more appropriate term to use.
Mountainsmith
>>has offered PRO pricing to National Ski Patrol members and I suspect they
may
>>offer similar offers to volunteer SAR/Wilderness rescue type folks.  I
>>suggest contacting Mountainsmith directly and advising them of your
position
>>and desires.
>>
>>Dave
>>
>>Dan Karlin wrote:
>>
>>> how does one go about obtaining wholesale prices on mountainsmith
>>> equipment? thanks,
>>> dan
>>>
>>> Dave or Tink wrote:
>>> > Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency
>>> > personnel which should provide significant savings for you.
Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:46:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:46:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:45:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from pimout4-int.prodigy.net (pimout4-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.59.250]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:44:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from micron (DNVRB103-04.splitrock.net [209.156.134.50]) by pimout4-int.prodigy.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id IAA107026 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:42:04 -0500 Message-ID: <006601be0e42$4c3dc6e0$32869cd1@micron> From: "MARGARET L DELUCA" To: Subject: W-EMED MTSmith pro-deals Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 06:42:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01BE0E07.9E76D360" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 570950016 0 1 P37530.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BE0E07.9E76D360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good morning; It's been a year & a half since I worked at Mountainsmith, = but at that time, they were cutting back, even eliminating the Pro Deals altogether due to a variety of problems. Your best bet is to talk to = Phil Mesdag if you want to get anything done, be persistent, but expect to = be disappointed. Wish I could be of more help. Sorry! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Howard M. Paul To: gmdeluca@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 10:39 PM Subject: Help w/MtnSmith Pro deals? >Margaret, can you offer correct answers? If so, send to: >wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > >>Dan, >> >>Perhaps "PRO" pricing would be a more appropriate term to use. Mountainsmith >>has offered PRO pricing to National Ski Patrol members and I suspect = they may >>offer similar offers to volunteer SAR/Wilderness rescue type folks. I >>suggest contacting Mountainsmith directly and advising them of your position >>and desires. >> >>Dave >> >>Dan Karlin wrote: >> >>> how does one go about obtaining wholesale prices on mountainsmith >>> equipment? thanks, >>> dan >>> >>> Dave or Tink wrote: >>> > Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency >>> > personnel which should provide significant savings for you. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01BE0E07.9E76D360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Good morning; It's been a year & a half since I worked at=20 Mountainsmith, but
at that time, they were cutting back, even = eliminating the=20 Pro Deals
altogether due to a variety of problems. Your best bet is = to talk=20 to Phil
Mesdag  if you want to get anything done, be persistent, = but=20 expect to be
disappointed. Wish I could be of more help. Sorry!=20 Margaret
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard M. Paul <hmpaul@ecentral.com>
To: = gmdeluca@prodigy.net <gmdeluca@prodigy.net>
Date= : Sunday,=20 November 08, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: Help w/MtnSmith Pro=20 deals?


>Margaret, can you offer correct answers?  If = so, send=20 to:
>wilderness-em= ergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu
>
>
>
>>Dan= ,
>>
>>Perhaps=20 "PRO" pricing would be a more appropriate term to=20 use.
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>>
>>Dave
>>
>>Dan Karlin=20 wrote:
>>
>>> how does one go about obtaining = wholesale=20 prices on mountainsmith
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>>>=20 dan
>>>
>>> Dave or Tink wrote:
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SKEDCO now has a pack we in the = military are=20 testing for Jump trauma teams it has many options we may meet your needs = and can=20 be modified on the spot. will look for contact number for you and=20 send
 
Ron Oldfield PA-C
Emergency Department
Mayo Regional Hospital
Dover-Foxcroft,Maine
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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:24:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:24:22 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:24:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:22:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (f265.hotmail.com [207.82.251.156]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 16:22:10 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 699 invoked by uid 0); 11 Nov 1998 21:21:38 -0000 Message-ID: <19981111212138.698.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 198.250.223.113 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:21:38 PST X-Originating-IP: [198.250.223.113] From: "Chris Adams DO" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED RE:Mtn Rescue Packs MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 13:21:38 PST Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3C820.CNM Please let me know what that address/ phone number is, as I need it BADLY for my trauma jump teams. >From owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Wed Nov 11 13:11:39 1998 >Received: from [136.142.185.20] by hotmail.com (1.0) with SMTP id MHotMail308827149311135065324992291054868438630; Wed Nov 11 13:11:39 1998 >Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) > by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) > ID ; > Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:12:09 -0500 (EST) >Received: from Montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) > by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) > ID for ; > Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:12:00 -0500 (EST) >Received: from RonOldfield [208.167.52.15] > by Montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) > id 0zdgZy-0004nq-00 (Debian); Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:09:26 -0500 >Message-ID: <000101be0daf$a80b3fe0$0f34a7d0@RonOldfield> >From: "Oldfield Family" >To: >Subject: W-EMED RE:Mtn Rescue Packs >Date: Wed, 11 Nov 1998 15:10:20 -0500 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01BE0D85.66289660" >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 >Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > >SKEDCO now has a pack we in the military are testing for Jump trauma = >teams it has many options we may meet your needs and can be modified on = >the spot. will look for contact number for you and send >=20 >Ron Oldfield PA-C >Emergency Department >Mayo Regional Hospital >Dover-Foxcroft,Maine > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:49:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:49:36 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:49:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:47:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:45:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from argohouston.com (mail.argolink.net [209.144.1.128]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 15:45:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from argohouston.com.argohouston.com [209.144.2.178] by argohouston.com (SMTPD32-4.06) id A867B659004A; Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:56:07 CST From: "Patti Carothers" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack :a request Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 14:47:21 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01be0ceb$506cad60$b20290d1@argohouston.com.argohouston.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: <364612C8.B7D835FC@bellatlantic.net> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0FBD0.CNM Also try Adventure Medical Kits 800-324-3517 or email amkusa@aol.com. Their web site http://www.adventuremedicalkits.com is not up yet. They are very knowledgeable & helpful, and if they won't give you a pro deal, please call me & I can help you. Patti Carothers, RN SouthWest PaddleSports 1101 Hamblen Road Kingwood, TX 77339 http://www.paddlesports.com 1-800-We Paddle 281-FLY FISH > I don't have a list but here is two where outdoor supplies are offered. > > http://www.mountainsmith.com/ > > http://www.rei.com/ > Could someone list all the web sites where equipment such as > medical packs would be found? Or else just send me the list if that's > redundant and I've missed it already. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:01:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:01:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 16:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:58:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:58:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-t-58.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.68]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:57:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811092057.PAA27893@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: Arthur Morgan Date: Mon, 9 Nov 1998 15:57:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Hot Oxy CC: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu In-reply-to: <36458DE4.DC602D82@icon.co.za> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P09540.CNM On 8 Nov 98, at 14:26, Arthur Morgan wrote: > Many of the problems of rescue have been answered by the needs of > anaesthesia . There are small filters that fit onto endotracheal tubes and > will become warm and wet with expiration , then dump energy and water into > the next inspired volume ( Heat and Moisture Exchangers ) . They are not > perfect , and will obviously not add heat to the patient , only decrease > loss ) but are much better than nothing , are relatively cheap , and are > small . > There are small disposable circle breathing systems with carbon dioxide > absorbers available so that a small cylinder of oxygen will go a long way > ( with skill a flow rate of less than 1 litre of fresh oxygen a minute is > possible ) . I have not yet used these I rescue but I am thinking about > them and in suitable situations they should be of help to decrease mass > that needs to be carried , and improve the treatment of patients . The use > of a circle system will by itself decrease the loss of water and heat . Have you tried rigging up any such systems for _non-intubated_ patients and used them in real or simulated rescues? --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:51:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:50:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:50:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:45:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 11:44:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp155.ecentral.com [206.64.70.155]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA10664 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 09:44:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199811091644.JAA10664@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@pop.ecentral.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 09:14:53 -0700 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: W-EMED MtnSmith Pro deals? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0C6A0.CNM This from a friend and former SAR team member, who used to work @ Mountainsmith: Good morning; It's been a year & a half since I worked at Mountainsmith, but at that time, they were cutting back, even eliminating the Pro Deals altogether due to a variety of problems. Your best bet is to talk to Phil Mesdag if you want to get anything done, be persistent, but expect to be disappointed. Wish I could be of more help. Sorry! Margaret >>>Dan Karlin wrote: >>>> how does one go about obtaining wholesale prices on mountainsmith >>>> equipment? thanks, >>>> dan >>>> >>>> Dave or Tink wrote: >>>> > Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency >>>> > personnel which should provide significant savings for you. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:16:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:16:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:15:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:13:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.icon.co.za (relay.icon.co.za [196.26.208.4]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 06:13:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28470 invoked from network); 9 Nov 1998 11:05:57 -0000 Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (196.26.208.3) by relay.icon.co.za with SMTP; 9 Nov 1998 11:05:57 -0000 Received: from icon.co.za (a2-jhb-38.dial-up.net [196.26.223.166]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA25314; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 13:05:55 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <3646CAAB.67B6B227@icon.co.za> Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 12:57:47 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US,af,pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu, tkovacs@goodnet.com Subject: Re: W-EMED Hot Oxy via circle breathing system References: Conversation <199811060711.AAA07526@preytor.ecentral.COM> with last message <36458DE4.DC602D82@icon.co.za> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4C1C0.CNM Hello all , Tim has already sent the answer copied below to me about my posting on the use of a circle breathing system , with carbon dioxide absorber . Luckily in this part of the world we very rarely have hypothermic patient to rescue in the mountains ( we had snow on the southern Cape mountains over the weekend despite being in the middle of summer here ) . If I were to study this technique it would take MANY years to get a significant sample . I do not claim any ownership over a simple , well used system so if anyone wants to use and study this please do so . I shall be quite happy to give any advice that I can , but you would probably be better off asking your local anaesthesia department - there will be someone who enjoys using the benefits of circle ( " closed " ) breathing systems and would be only too glad to talk about it in the context of your local environment . The equipment is small and relatively cheap . Although only experience in anaesthesia will allow very low flows ( below 2 litres a minute ) to be used , moderately low flows will still save oxygen and the effort to carry it up and down the mountains . If you will use the technique often buy enough monitoring devices to allow extremely low flows ( below 0,7 litre per minute ) and enjoy even more benefits ( less than 10% of normal fresh gas flow in a rescue breathing system ) . Arthur Tim Kovacs wrote: > > A grand idea. Let me know if you would like help in study groups from the > MRA. > > Tim Kovacs, President > NREMT-Paramedic/ W > Mountain Rescue Association > tkovacs@goodnet.com > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:03:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:02:58 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 22:00:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:59:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo16.mx.aol.com (imo16.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:59:52 -0500 (EST) From: PMcLMcCMc@aol.com Received: from PMcLMcCMc@aol.com by imo16.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BBSEa07909 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:59:09 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 1998 21:59:09 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack :a request Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 16-bit for Windows sub 38 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P7B670.CNM I fought the issue of jout how to store/carry med supplies for a long time, then came up with a plan that worked fine for me. I went to a sporting goods store, in this case K-Mart and looked at the large variety of soft fishing tackle cases and the plastic box inserts that were avaliable. I wound up with a small case that houhs all the trauma bandages, sam splint, a cuff, various meds, ( no I-Vs ) and it fits very easily into my regular pack. It't probably 10X10X15. I had a choice of many sizes , most all of which would have fit. No O2 is carried. You might look in to this as you can customize for your own needs. Paul McClendon Santa Fe SAR Samta Fe New Mexico Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:58:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:58:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:56:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:56:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-209-158-254-25.bellatlantic.net [209.158.254.25]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id QAA02003 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:53:58 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <364612C8.B7D835FC@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:53:12 -0500 From: Dave or Tink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack :a request References: <881ed063.36444ae6@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P25540.CNM Barb, I don't have a list but here is two where outdoor supplies are offered. http://www.mountainsmith.com/ http://www.rei.com/ D BjmPAc@aol.com wrote: > Hi: > Could someone list all the web sites where equipment such as medical packs > would be found? Or else just send me the list if that's redundant and I've > missed it already. > > thanks.. > > Barbara, PA-C > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 02:11:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 02:11:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 02:11:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:50:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:49:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-209-158-254-25.bellatlantic.net [209.158.254.25]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id QAA01172 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:46:56 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36461121.BF0583A8@bellatlantic.net> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 16:46:10 -0500 From: Dave or Tink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack References: Conversation <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> with last message <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <3643986A.61B81BB6@bellatlantic.net> <3643E2A9.3CCFE2EA@columbia.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2A2A0.CNM Dan, Perhaps "PRO" pricing would be a more appropriate term to use. Mountainsmith has offered PRO pricing to National Ski Patrol members and I suspect they may offer similar offers to volunteer SAR/Wilderness rescue type folks. I suggest contacting Mountainsmith directly and advising them of your position and desires. Dave Dan Karlin wrote: > how does one go about obtaining wholesale prices on mountainsmith > equipment? thanks, > dan > > Dave or Tink wrote: > > Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency > > personnel which should provide significant savings for you. > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:26:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:24:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 18:24:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a3.phoenix-1.goodnet.com [207.98.132.130]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id QAA02648 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 16:22:07 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36458DE4.DC602D82@icon.co.za> References: Conversation <199811060711.AAA07526@preytor.ecentral.COM> with last message <36458DE4.DC602D82@icon.co.za> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Hot Oxy via circle breathing system Date: Sun, 08 Nov 98 14:49:56 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P300F0.CNM A grand idea. Let me know if you would like help in study groups from the MRA. Tim Kovacs, President NREMT-Paramedic/ W Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 03:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 03:17:36 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 03:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:44:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.icon.co.za (relay.icon.co.za [196.26.208.4]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 13:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 11118 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1998 18:44:05 -0000 Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (196.26.208.3) by relay.icon.co.za with SMTP; 8 Nov 1998 18:44:05 -0000 Received: from icon.co.za (m5-41-ndf.dial-up.net [196.34.159.41]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id UAA01821 for ; Sun, 8 Nov 1998 20:44:04 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <36458DE4.DC602D82@icon.co.za> Date: Sun, 08 Nov 1998 14:26:12 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US,af,pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Hot Oxy References: <199811060711.AAA07526@preytor.ecentral.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P5FAB0.CNM Hello all , Many of the problems of rescue have been answered by the needs of anaesthesia . There are small filters that fit onto endotracheal tubes and will become warm and wet with expiration , then dump energy and water into the next inspired volume ( Heat and Moisture Exchangers ) . They are not perfect , and will obviously not add heat to the patient , only decrease loss ) but are much better than nothing , are relatively cheap , and are small . There are small disposable circle breathing systems with carbon dioxide absorbers available so that a small cylinder of oxygen will go a long way ( with skill a flow rate of less than 1 litre of fresh oxygen a minute is possible ) . I have not yet used these I rescue but I am thinking about them and in suitable situations they should be of help to decrease mass that needs to be carried , and improve the treatment of patients . The use of a circle system will by itself decrease the loss of water and heat . Arthur "Howard M. Paul" wrote: > > Tim's query regarding packs for the ALS-SAR reminded me of a question. > > What is currently being used by you readers for heated & humidified oxygen > in the field? We had for several years a home built unit that heated and > humidified the oxy as the result of a chemical reaction (of course now I > can't recall the two chem components). > > Are any commercially produced units available for mountain rescue work > (small & lightweight)? > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:47:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:46:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:45:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:44:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:43:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-t-89.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.23.99]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:43:54 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811071343.IAA15088@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: skibums@mlode.com (Josh Emmons), wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:43:53 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED Is there a FAQ? In-reply-to: <19981107034818.AAA19300@mlode.mlode.com@ts4-1.mlode.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P56F80.CNM On 6 Nov 98, at 20:00, Josh Emmons wrote: > Hi all, > > I just signed on to this list server and am wondering if there a FAQ for > this list (so mabey I wont ask all the questions you've all heard before). Hmmm. Hadn't considered a list FAQ before. Thinking it over though, and considering that things medical may change on a regular basis, I'd suspect it's better _not_ to have a FAQ. There is a variety of WEMS information posted at our home page, www.wemsi.org, and _that's_ sort of a big FAQ, but given the past discussions, I don't think it's appropriate to have a specific FAQ for the list. Other opinions welcomed. Take care. --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:32:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:31:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com (imo21.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.65]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:28:57 -0500 (EST) From: BjmPAc@aol.com Received: from BjmPAc@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BALSa17824 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:28:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <881ed063.36444ae6@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 Nov 1998 08:28:06 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack :a request Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 3.0 for Windows 95 sub 76 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P775B0.CNM Hi: Could someone list all the web sites where equipment such as medical packs would be found? Or else just send me the list if that's redundant and I've missed it already. thanks.. Barbara, PA-C Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:04:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:04:24 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:04:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:03:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:02:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from ciao.cc.columbia.edu (cu41754@ciao.cc.columbia.edu [128.59.35.11]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:02:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from columbia.edu (dank.rug.rhno.columbia.edu [128.59.134.31]) by ciao.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA04448 for ; Sat, 7 Nov 1998 01:02:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3643E2A9.3CCFE2EA@columbia.edu> Date: Sat, 07 Nov 1998 01:03:21 -0500 From: Dan Karlin Organization: Columbia University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack References: Conversation <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> with last message <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <3643986A.61B81BB6@bellatlantic.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P37850.CNM how does one go about obtaining wholesale prices on mountainsmith equipment? thanks, dan Dave or Tink wrote: > Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency > personnel which should provide significant savings for you. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:48:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 9 Nov 1998 00:48:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:04:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:04:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-209-158-254-28.bellatlantic.net [209.158.254.28]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id UAA26844 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:02:05 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36439BDC.3248EC99@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 20:01:17 -0500 From: Dave or Tink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <199811060711.AAA07522@preytor.ecentral.COM> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4CF50.CNM Tim, I did a little research for you. Here is Mountainsmith's web site. http://www.mountainsmith.com/ Dave Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:54:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:54:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:53:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:51:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mlode.mlode.com (mlode.com [199.4.123.1]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 22:51:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.135.53.1] (ts4-1.mlode.com) by mlode.mlode.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52280U5000L500S0V35) with SMTP id com for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:48:18 -0800 Subject: W-EMED Is there a FAQ? Date: Fri, 6 Nov 98 20:00:02 -0000 x-mailer: Claris Emailer 1.1 From: skibums@mlode.com (Josh Emmons) To: "WEM-mail list" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Message-ID: <19981107034818.AAA19300@mlode.mlode.com@ts4-1.mlode.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P00890.CNM Hi all, I just signed on to this list server and am wondering if there a FAQ for this list (so mabey I wont ask all the questions you've all heard before). thanks in advance... Josh Emmons Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:52:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:50:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:49:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from iconmail.bellatlantic.net (iconmail.bellatlantic.net [199.173.162.30]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:49:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from bellatlantic.net (client-209-158-254-28.bellatlantic.net [209.158.254.28]) by iconmail.bellatlantic.net (IConNet Sendmail) with ESMTP id TAA24990 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 19:47:23 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3643986A.61B81BB6@bellatlantic.net> Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 19:46:34 -0500 From: Dave or Tink X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack References: Conversation <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> with last message <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P521B0.CNM Tim, Check out "Mountainsmith" products. Each of their packs are good quality, ride well, various sizes, etc. Also, you could use small stuff sacks placed into the larger pack to stash specific related items and have each sack a different color based on content. Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency personnel which should provide significant savings for you. Good luck! Dave Hayes Tim Kovacs wrote: > Keith (and folks); > In the endless quest for "the" ALS (paramedic) med pack for Mountain > Rescue, I am doing research for the purchase of new ALS Mtn Rescue Med > Packs for our team and am looking for your input. My "criteria": > 1. Small, like Thomas pack or wildland gear (not necessary to have > technical gear in it) Hint: the large Thomas pack with the side and top > pockets is too small. > 2. Prefer to exclude any Oxygen from it, and will not include a cardiac > monitor or warm gas inhalater in it > 3. Minimal gear (2 1000cc IV set ups, pressure infuser, accucheck, nonin > onyx pulse ox, BVM, Cric & Central line kit, BP cuff & Steth, 2 laryng > blades with small handle, KTD, V-Vac, 2" x 8" tupperware type box for > minimum drugs, 100cc contact lense bottle for irrigation, 2 SAMs, oxid-heat > packs, stiffneck select, 3 opas, 1 npa, and the usual minimal amounts of > kling, 4x4s, bandaids, ointments, gloves, etc.) > 4. Compartmentalized within reason - must not be just one big main > compartment. > > I am familiar with Eagle, Thomas, Bushwalker and Conterra offerings. > Thanks in advance!!!!! > Tim Kovacs, President > Mountain Rescue Association > tkovacs@goodnet.com > > "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt > to climb... > ...It is a number of small points which have little significance > individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced > rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:18:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:18:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:15:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:15:41 -0500 (EST) From: JSilver374@aol.com Received: from JSilver374@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BNOSa02538 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:15:06 +1900 (EST) Message-ID: <4699fe8e.36439f1a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 20:15:06 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P47A00.CNM Check out the LDR (Long Distance Rescue) Trauma packs by Gregory. The have a large backpack style and a fanny pack tyle. They both have mesh comparments. I saw them in the DynaMed catalog. Jonathan Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:38:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:38:10 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:38:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:36:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:36:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.ptd.net (srv1.ptd.net [204.186.0.131]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:36:24 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811061236.HAA07887@list.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Received: (qmail 23685 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1998 12:36:24 -0000 Received: from du144.ben.ptd.net (HELO gjeliiff.ptdprolog.net) (204.186.60.144) by mail.ptd.net with SMTP; 6 Nov 1998 12:36:24 -0000 From: "Greg Jelliff" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 07:41:04 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P10E70.CNM Check out Atwater Carey they make a Mountain Rescue Pack which may do what your looking for. Greg ---------- > From: Tim Kovacs > To: WEMS News > Subject: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack > Date: Thursday, November 05, 1998 9:43 PM > > Keith (and folks); > In the endless quest for "the" ALS (paramedic) med pack for Mountain > Rescue, I am doing research for the purchase of new ALS Mtn Rescue Med > Packs for our team and am looking for your input. My "criteria": > 1. Small, like Thomas pack or wildland gear (not necessary to have > technical gear in it) Hint: the large Thomas pack with the side and top > pockets is too small. > 2. Prefer to exclude any Oxygen from it, and will not include a cardiac > monitor or warm gas inhalater in it > 3. Minimal gear (2 1000cc IV set ups, pressure infuser, accucheck, nonin > onyx pulse ox, BVM, Cric & Central line kit, BP cuff & Steth, 2 laryng > blades with small handle, KTD, V-Vac, 2" x 8" tupperware type box for > minimum drugs, 100cc contact lense bottle for irrigation, 2 SAMs, oxid-heat > packs, stiffneck select, 3 opas, 1 npa, and the usual minimal amounts of > kling, 4x4s, bandaids, ointments, gloves, etc.) > 4. Compartmentalized within reason - must not be just one big main > compartment. > > I am familiar with Eagle, Thomas, Bushwalker and Conterra offerings. > Thanks in advance!!!!! > Tim Kovacs, President > Mountain Rescue Association > tkovacs@goodnet.com > > "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt > to climb... > ...It is a number of small points which have little significance > individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced > rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:18:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:18:46 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:18:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:17:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:17:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:16:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp87.ecentral.com [206.64.70.87]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA07526 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:11:13 -0700 Message-Id: <199811060711.AAA07526@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@pop.ecentral.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:17:09 -0700 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: W-EMED Hot Oxy Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P24C00.CNM Tim's query regarding packs for the ALS-SAR reminded me of a question. What is currently being used by you readers for heated & humidified oxygen in the field? We had for several years a home built unit that heated and humidified the oxy as the result of a chemical reaction (of course now I can't recall the two chem components). Are any commercially produced units available for mountain rescue work (small & lightweight)? _____________________________ Howard M. Paul EMS Dir., Alpine Rescue Team Public Affairs Mgr., Colo. SAR Board ASTM Committee F-32 on SAR hmpaul@ecentral.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:18:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:18:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:17:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:16:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from default (ppp87.ecentral.com [206.64.70.87]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA07522 for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 00:11:11 -0700 Message-Id: <199811060711.AAA07522@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@pop.ecentral.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.1 Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 23:17:18 -0700 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack In-Reply-To: References: <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P76830.CNM At 06:43 PM 11/5/98 -0800, you wrote: >Hint: the large Thomas pack with the side and top >pockets is too small. Well, Timster, two comments: 1. the Large Thomas pack is what we use and it will easily accommodate everything you listed; and, 2. it's so damn heavy no one wants to carry it, along with their personal pack! I was one who fought the switch to such a large pack when we changed about 4-5 years ago (see second comment above). Previously, we broke the trauma gear into two smaller packs that were carried to the rescue site by two people. But then, we used to do the same with our tech evac gear -- carried in smaller packs by several people. Now we use 200'-300' rope bags as a "bash kit" which includes *everything* for a technical evac (except rope). I disagree with the "stuff everything into one pack no matter the weight" philosophy, for mountain rescue. Howard _____________________________ Howard M. Paul EMS Dir., Alpine Rescue Team Public Affairs Mgr., Colo. SAR Board ASTM Committee F-32 on SAR hmpaul@ecentral.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:37:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:36:57 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:36:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:36:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:35:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from endeavor.flash.net (endeavor.flash.net [209.30.0.40]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:35:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from [208.194.198.19] (p19.sas1.dialup.bwi1.flash.net [208.194.198.19]) by endeavor.flash.net (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA10699; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:35:46 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Conversation <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> with last message <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:35:43 -0400 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Kevin Gerold Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P41980.CNM Tim: What are you going to do with 2L of crystalloid fluids that will make a difference in trauma outcomes? Basically no evidence that crystalloid fluids change outcome in shock, and 2L really isn't that much...a 500-1000 ml blood loss is well tolerated in most without any resus fluid. Might consider Hespan, the preferred choice of Spec Forces. If you hemorrhage over 1.5 L, and bleeding is controlled, you might benefit from volume expansion. Hespan will give you more bang for the buck here, ie, less bulk, better volume expansion, and longer intravascular effect. What are you going to do with the central line, BP cuff, and Accucheck (glucometer)? In a remote (an generally an urban) setting, if you are mentating you're BP is probably ok. If not, pulses are good estimates of BP. The real question is, "What are you going to do with the number? If you want to hike around with something that can check serum glucose, PARR Medical has a self-contained glucose strip. Check it out. How about the universal foley catheters? Very compact, and useful for urine output in the unconscious or incapacitated during a prolonged evac, useful to control nasal-facial hemorrhage, and can be used as a chest tube (so I'm told). Always a debate about the usefulness of endotracheal intubation in remote wilderness. If the problem is solely airway obstruction in the middle of nowhere, probably better off with cricothyroidostomy as the best option. Requires less attention after it's in. Still looking for the best bag myself. Just some thoughts, let me know what you think and what you decide. Kevin >Keith (and folks); >In the endless quest for "the" ALS (paramedic) med pack for Mountain >Rescue, I am doing research for the purchase of new ALS Mtn Rescue Med >Packs for our team and am looking for your input. My "criteria": >1. Small, like Thomas pack or wildland gear (not necessary to have >technical gear in it) Hint: the large Thomas pack with the side and top >pockets is too small. >2. Prefer to exclude any Oxygen from it, and will not include a cardiac >monitor or warm gas inhalater in it >3. Minimal gear (2 1000cc IV set ups, pressure infuser, accucheck, nonin >onyx pulse ox, BVM, Cric & Central line kit, BP cuff & Steth, 2 laryng >blades with small handle, KTD, V-Vac, 2" x 8" tupperware type box for >minimum drugs, 100cc contact lense bottle for irrigation, 2 SAMs, oxid-heat >packs, stiffneck select, 3 opas, 1 npa, and the usual minimal amounts of >kling, 4x4s, bandaids, ointments, gloves, etc.) >4. Compartmentalized within reason - must not be just one big main >compartment. > >I am familiar with Eagle, Thomas, Bushwalker and Conterra offerings. >Thanks in advance!!!!! >Tim Kovacs, President >Mountain Rescue Association >tkovacs@goodnet.com > >"You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt >to climb... >...It is a number of small points which have little significance >individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced >rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu ******************************************************** Dr. Kevin Gerold University of Maryland Medical Center 22 S. Greene Street Baltimore, MD Office: (410) 328-1808 Facimile: (410) 323-0820 This telecopy transmission contains privileged, confidential information belonging to the sender and is intended only for use by the individual or entity named above. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this telecopied information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this telecopy in error, please notify me by the telephone number listed above. INTERCEPTION OF ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS COULD BE A VIOLATION OF MARYLAND AND FEDERAL LAW ******************************************************** Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:56:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:56:39 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:56:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:55:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:55:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a4.phoenix-21.goodnet.com [207.98.132.182]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id XAA17438 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:53:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199811060711.AAA07522@preytor.ecentral.COM> References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <199811060711.AAA07522@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 22:38:59 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2E0F0.CNM Thanks, Howard. As stated in my response to Kevin, due to my unique needs, I am sticking with the gear in one pack. I may be responding alone to a situation initially. If the Large Thomas were just a little bigger, it would accomodate. The big issue with the Thomas is really that it is NOT a back pack - just has cheap straps that allow it to be carried that way. Here's my ticket: Something of a similar size and compartmentalization, but with a good suspension system. P.S.; this low altitude, superheated air breathing Arizona wimp does carry the ALS pack and my 48 hour technical rescue gear. Tell those Alpine Rescue Team ALS guys they' re whiners.(meant with love and levity). Tim K. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:49:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:49:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:48:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 6 Nov 1998 01:47:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a4.phoenix-21.goodnet.com [207.98.132.182]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id XAA15702 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 23:45:09 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 22:30:58 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0BA60.CNM Thanks for the thoughts. I knew I'd open myself to questions... here are the variety of "missions" which have denoted the contents of my pack over the years. We (and namely I) also respond to situations in addition to wilderness medical SAR. I use my bag for tactical callouts; working sworn Lake Patrol with the Sheriff's Office; hopping on our Bell 407 for a remote response. We have one particular area called the Salt River where I can respond to 20-40 EMS calls a shift, including drownings, stings, bites and codes. For Mtn Rescue, this is just a "first in" hasty kit. I call for more supplies with subsequent teams coming in or they are short hauled in to me. I have a whole second bag and second drug kit to sustain me in longer operations, chemical exposures, etc.We have had numerous occasions to use the items I described, but the list did not include some other items I do carry, like my foley and leg bag set up, and all the other useful WEMT stuff - I just wanted to give you all a general idea so you could picture what I need in size. I also deal with a whole lot of dehydration (Arizona). Finally, I use the same kit when I respond seasonally to Wildland fire medical units. I don't carry Hespan, and am looking into that and a few other items which we can get through expanded standing orders. I still am holding on to the BP cuff, though. It helps me for trending a lot of the clients I end up with for extended periods, and to trend, treat and release those orhtostatic dehydration cases. I haven't heard of PARR medical and would love to hear about their self contained BG kit. Do you have contact info for them? I've draw the line at taking the I-Stat out (chuckle intended). The accucheck was a cheap (free) choice with my budget. Thanks again for the feedback. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:03:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:03:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 22:01:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:59:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 21:59:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a17.phoenix-6.goodnet.com [207.204.253.71]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id TAA20531 for ; Thu, 5 Nov 1998 19:57:21 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> References: Conversation <67ebea1a.34c17c15@aol.com> with last message <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Date: Thu, 05 Nov 98 18:43:06 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3FA60.CNM Keith (and folks); In the endless quest for "the" ALS (paramedic) med pack for Mountain Rescue, I am doing research for the purchase of new ALS Mtn Rescue Med Packs for our team and am looking for your input. My "criteria": 1. Small, like Thomas pack or wildland gear (not necessary to have technical gear in it) Hint: the large Thomas pack with the side and top pockets is too small. 2. Prefer to exclude any Oxygen from it, and will not include a cardiac monitor or warm gas inhalater in it 3. Minimal gear (2 1000cc IV set ups, pressure infuser, accucheck, nonin onyx pulse ox, BVM, Cric & Central line kit, BP cuff & Steth, 2 laryng blades with small handle, KTD, V-Vac, 2" x 8" tupperware type box for minimum drugs, 100cc contact lense bottle for irrigation, 2 SAMs, oxid-heat packs, stiffneck select, 3 opas, 1 npa, and the usual minimal amounts of kling, 4x4s, bandaids, ointments, gloves, etc.) 4. Compartmentalized within reason - must not be just one big main compartment. I am familiar with Eagle, Thomas, Bushwalker and Conterra offerings. Thanks in advance!!!!! Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:44:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:44:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:42:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:41:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.fore.com (mailgate.fore.com [169.144.68.6]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:41:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailman.fore.com (mailman.fore.com [169.144.2.12]) by mailgate.fore.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA19522; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:40:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sol.eng.fore.com (sol [169.144.155.73]) by mailman.fore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25594; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:42:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from das-pc.fore.com (eis-dhcp-h70 [169.144.224.70]) by sol.eng.fore.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id HAA19468; Thu, 10 Sep 1998 07:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19980909170005.0083a930@mailhost.eng.fore.com> X-Sender: das@mailhost.eng.fore.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 09 Sep 1998 17:00:05 -0400 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Donald A. Scelza" Subject: W-EMED Re: education Cc: Ron Cook In-Reply-To: <3.0.3.32.19980902165307.00685c98@mail.icenter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P215F0.CNM All, Here is a request that I though the list might have some ideas about. Please respond to Shawna at: Ron Cook At 04:53 PM 9/2/98 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, my name is Shawna Cook. I am from Winnipeg Manitoba. I am extremely >interested in the courses you have to offer. I am graduating from the >University of Winnipeg in December after studying Athletic therapy. I love >the medical aspect of it but I am very much an outdoors type of person and >so am more interested in putting that medical knowledge into a outdoor >setting. I would like to find a job on a search and rescue team, a first >responder on guide tours, or anything in that area. The problem is I have >no idea what education I need in order to be qualified. I am willing to do >what ever it takes I just need to know what that is, and how to get my foot >in the door. If you could inform me on what I would need it would be >greatly appreciated. Thank you. > > Donald (Don) A. Scelza EMT-P, Wilderness Medic Educational Officer Wilderness EMS Institute Phone: 724-742-6902, Fax: 724-742-7300, Pager: 412-649-2093 http://www.wemsi.org Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:04:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:03:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:03:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 06:00:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 05:59:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from emed.upmc.edu (pphled03.dwing.upmc.edu [128.147.175.164]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 05:59:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from EMERG_MED/SpoolDir by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 9 Sep 98 05:36:40 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by EMERG_MED (Mercury 1.30); 9 Sep 98 05:36:33 -0500 Received: from JTG.1upmc-puh by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 9 Sep 98 05:36:23 -0500 From: "Jack T. Grandey" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Question Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 05:58:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000601bddbd8$6231ed60$84c79380@JTG.1upmc-puh> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 In-Reply-To: <178e55de.35f610db@aol.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6FFD0.CNM Steve: That is exactly the issue. You need to check with your state on scope of practice, approved procedures & medications. Another consideration is what is contained in the delegated practice provision of your medical practice act (licensing for doctors). depending upon how that reads & how your group intends to operate, you may be able to extend the practice of those individuals, based upon a cooperate medical director's orders. Note that this takes you out of the EMS realm Feel free to email me directly, if you'd like to discuss further. JTG Jack T. Grandey, NREMT-P Institute for Quality & Medical Management Operations Director UPMC Health System Wilderness EMS Institute http://www.upmc.edu/ http://www.wemsi.org/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of SARTEAMOKL@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, September 09, 1998 01:24 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED Question Our team is starting to get medical personnel, EMT's/Paramedics. What can /can't they do in the field without being liable? I am not for sure what our state requires, (OKLAHOMA) Steve Potter Vice President Pathfinder SAR Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:25:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:25:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:24:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:24:12 -0400 (EDT) From: SARTEAMOKL@aol.com Received: from SARTEAMOKL@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.1) id BWXFa12639 for ; Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:23:39 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <178e55de.35f610db@aol.com> Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 01:23:39 EDT To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED Question Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 170 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3A880.CNM Our team is starting to get medical personnel, EMT's/Paramedics. What can /can't they do in the field without being liable? I am not for sure what our state requires, (OKLAHOMA) Steve Potter Vice President Pathfinder SAR Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:40:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:38:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net (hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net [209.140.224.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 12:38:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ec41x (kovar.dialup.webnexus.com [209.140.226.2]) by hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net (8.8.7/8.8.5/WN-1.3) with SMTP id JAA10512 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:38:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809081638.JAA10512@hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net> X-Sender: kovar@mail.netnoc.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Tue, 08 Sep 1998 09:29:56 -0700 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "David C. Kovar" Subject: Re: W-EMED NASAR SAR Med'l responder In-Reply-To: <199809081519.JAA20302@preytor.ecentral.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P51980.CNM At 09:19 AM 9/8/98 -0600, Howard M. Paul wrote: >At 03:34 PM 9/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >>It'd be great if NASAR would accept WFR certification as credit towards >>their own SAR-MR... > > >Unless, of course, the two curricula are too dissimilar. True. I, as a WFR and a NASAR member, would be quite frustrated if that were the case. I took the WFR course specifically to support my wilderness SAR activities as it was the best course available. According to NASAR's web page: The Search and Rescue Medical Responder course represents a new approach to the educational preparation of the personnel who will be involved in providing prolonged pre-hospital emergency medical care. This course will share common ground with the DOT, First Responder to Medical Emergencies; Wilderness First Responder; and NASAR’s Fundamentals of Search and Rescue courses. Rather than substitute for these courses, SAR MR is intended to supplement the material presented in these courses. It looks like you have to take their entire 50 hour course, even if you have the WFR certification. I am disappointed if this is truly the case. I would greatly appreciate a one day course that would update my WFR certification to the NASAR one as *much* of the material overlaps. I guess it is time to write to NASAR. -David Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:25:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:25:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:24:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:23:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from preytor.ecentral.COM (root@preytor.ecentral.com [206.64.70.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 11:23:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Default (ppp79.ecentral.com [206.64.70.79]) by preytor.ecentral.COM (8.8.7/8.6.9) with SMTP id JAA20302 for ; Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:19:52 -0600 Date: Tue, 8 Sep 1998 09:19:52 -0600 Message-Id: <199809081519.JAA20302@preytor.ecentral.COM> X-Sender: hmpaul@pop.ecentral.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 2.1.2 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: "Howard M. Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED NASAR SAR Med'l responder Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P63650.CNM At 03:34 PM 9/7/98 -0700, you wrote: >It'd be great if NASAR would accept WFR certification as credit towards >their own SAR-MR... Unless, of course, the two curricula are too dissimilar. ______________________________________ H o w a r d M. P a u l EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board ASTM Committee F32 on SAR ______________ "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:37:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:37:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:36:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:35:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net (hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net [209.140.224.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 18:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ec41x (kovar.dialup.webnexus.com [209.140.226.2]) by hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net (8.8.7/8.8.5/WN-1.3) with SMTP id PAA29588; Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199809072235.PAA29588@hub1.san-jose.webnexus.net> X-Sender: kovar@mail.netnoc.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1.0.49 (Beta) Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:34:50 -0700 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu, adickison@aol.com, tkovacs@goodnet.com, wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu, zafren@corecom.net, sfoster@bluenet.net From: "David C. Kovar" Subject: Re: W-EMED NASAR SAR Med'l responder In-Reply-To: <199809071448.IAA10903@preytor.ecentral.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4CE80.CNM It'd be great if NASAR would accept WFR certification as credit towards their own SAR-MR... -David At 08:48 AM 9/7/98 -0600, Howard M. Paul wrote: >To all (Anne, Tim, Ken, Steve, et al): > I haven't heard anything recently about the release of NASAR's SAR >Med'l Responder course. I just saw an advert for Buck Tilton's new >"Wilderness First Responder" book, the first I believe printed FR textbook >specifically for non-urban FR level EMS. > Can anyone advise the status of NASAR's SAR-MR? >______________________________________ >H o w a r d M. P a u l >EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. >Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board >ASTM Committee F32 on SAR > ______________ > >"You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains >until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of >small points which have little significance individually >that, considered together, spell danger to the >experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 15:12:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24 PGP2] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P5A3B0.CNM If anyone on this list is associated with the paramedic services in Yellowstone, could you drop me a line privately at kovar@webnexus.com? Many thanks. -David Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Paul" Subject: W-EMED NASAR SAR Med'l responder Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P68DD0.CNM To all (Anne, Tim, Ken, Steve, et al): I haven't heard anything recently about the release of NASAR's SAR Med'l Responder course. I just saw an advert for Buck Tilton's new "Wilderness First Responder" book, the first I believe printed FR textbook specifically for non-urban FR level EMS. Can anyone advise the status of NASAR's SAR-MR? ______________________________________ H o w a r d M. P a u l EMS Director, Alpine Rescue Team, Evergreen, Colo. Public Affairs Mgr., Colorado SAR Board ASTM Committee F32 on SAR ______________ "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End --