Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:46:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:46:14 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:46:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:45:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-0.tiac.net (mail-out-0.tiac.net [199.0.65.247]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-out-3.tiac.net (mail-out-3.tiac.net [199.0.65.15]) by mail-out-0.tiac.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25685 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:01 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jpf@tiac.net) Received: from jpf (p7.ts3.metro.MA.tiac.com [207.60.164.168]) by mail-out-3.tiac.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA08451 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:42:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from jpf@tiac.net) Message-ID: <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> From: "Flanigan, John" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:37:41 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P45620.CNM I believe the web site you are after is http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/sections/em/pdm/ The abstract for the requested topic may be found at http://www.medicine.wisc.edu/sections/em/pdm/abstracts13.html#lung HTH -----Original Message----- From: Tim Kovacs To: WEMS News Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 11:29 PM Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine >Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an >article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am >no longer a subscriber to the periodical. > >Tim Kovacs, President >Mountain Rescue Association >tkovacs@goodnet.com >www.mra.org > >"You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt >to climb... >...It is a number of small points which have little significance >individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced >rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:17:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:17:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (d20-21.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.97.214]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id LAA11333 for ; Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:17:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> References: Conversation <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> with last message <003201be34d3$838aad40$a8a43ccf@jpf.tiac.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine-Lung Capas. q Hoist Ops Date: Thu, 31 Dec 98 10:57:49 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0C160.CNM You were correct! Thanks! Your choice of drinks is on me. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:35:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:35:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:34:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:29:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:29:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from emed.upmc.edu (pphled03.dwing.upmc.edu [128.147.175.164]) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:29:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from EMERG_MED/SpoolDir by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.21); 30 Dec 98 11:33:55 -0500 Received: from SpoolDir by EMERG_MED (Mercury 1.30); 30 Dec 98 11:33:51 -0500 Received: from JTG.upmc.edu by emed.upmc.edu (Mercury 1.30); 30 Dec 98 11:33:44 -0500 From: "Jack T. Grandey" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:26:55 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be3411$38684b00$7215e59d@JTG.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P001C0.CNM I had the same problem. JTG -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Tim Kovacs Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 1998 10:47 To: WEMS News Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Thank you Thomas and Jack. However, I have been unable to access this website thus far - it keeps failing to load. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:13:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:13:15 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:13:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:12:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:08:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 11:08:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (d15-59.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.96.188]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id JAA09104 for ; Wed, 30 Dec 1998 09:08:11 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <03e201be3364$69d893a0$3a5919d0@tmcguire> References: Conversation <03e201be3364$69d893a0$3a5919d0@tmcguire> with last message <03e201be3364$69d893a0$3a5919d0@tmcguire> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Wed, 30 Dec 98 07:46:53 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P50D80.CNM Thank you Thomas and Jack. However, I have been unable to access this website thus far - it keeps failing to load. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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McGuire" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:49:43 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4CE60.CNM From: Jack T. Grandey To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tuesday, December 29, 1998 04:34 Subject: RE: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine >That publication was renamed Prehospital Emergency Care. It's URL is: >http://www.hanleyandbelfus.com/journals/pec.html Jack: Think that obit is premature. PDM is at http://pdm.medicine.wisc.edu/. The site has abstracts (and think I saw the lung compliance and hoisting item in question). Not in MEDLINE, unlike PEC. Some history: >Prehospital and Disaster Medicine, edited by Marvin L. Birnbaum, quarterly, $55 (individual), $78 (institutional), Pittsburgh, Pa, World Association for Disaster and Emergency Medicine, 1985—. >Prehospital and Disaster Medicine serves as the official journal of the World Association for Disaster and Emergency Medicine (WADEM) and the International Society of Disaster Medicine (ISDM). During 1997, while in its twelfth volume, WADEM became the solo publisher of this vehicle for the dissemination of scientific information on international emergency medical services and disaster medicine. The National Association of EMS Physicians (NAEMSP) parted from Prehospital and Disaster Medicine and WADEM to publish its own journal (Prehospital Emergency Care, reviewed in JAMA 1997;278:1794), geared toward the EMS community of the United States with an emphasis on prehospital issues. Prehospital and Disaster Medicine remains committed to the worldwide development and improvement of emergency and disaster medicine... Tally ho, Tom ******************* Thomas J. McGuire TMcGuire@LanMinds.com Berkeley Fire Department Chabot College Paramedic Program ******************* Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Grandey" To: Subject: RE: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 07:23:48 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be3326$178f6580$7215e59d@JTG.upmc.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P16E30.CNM That publication was renamed Prehospital Emergency Care. It's URL is: http://www.hanleyandbelfus.com/journals/pec.html I don't know whether the archives can be located there, but it should give you a start. I do believe that it is Medlined back to 97. JTG -----Original Message----- From: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu [mailto:owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu]On Behalf Of Tim Kovacs Sent: Monday, December 28, 1998 22:38 To: WEMS News Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am no longer a subscriber to the periodical. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com www.mra.org "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Paul" Subject: Re: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6A800.CNM Tim, PHD is published by Jems Communications. Try www. jems.com Howard At 07:38 PM 12/28/98 -0800, you wrote: >Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an >article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am >no longer a subscriber to the periodical. _____________________________ Howard M. Paul, Member, Alpine Rescue Team, Colorado, USA http://www.heartbeat-of-evergreen.com/alpine/alpine.html Public Affairs Manager, Colorado SAR Board http://uvb.nrel.colostate.edu/~daveb/csrb/csrb_home.html "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." -- Hamish MacInnes "If you don't care where you are, you cannot be lost" -- anon. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:00:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:59:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (d5-3.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.140.135.4]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id UAA07469 for ; Mon, 28 Dec 1998 20:59:47 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED Prehospital Disaster Medicine Date: Mon, 28 Dec 98 19:38:23 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P3F680.CNM Does anyone know the web site for this publication? I am searching for an article from Jan-Mar 98 on "Lung Compliance during Hoist Operations" and am no longer a subscriber to the periodical. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com www.mra.org "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:52:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:51:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:50:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from titan.tcn.net (root@titan.tcn.net [199.166.4.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:50:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from one (comp24.tcn.net [209.135.79.24]) by titan.tcn.net (8.8.5/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA12101 for ; Thu, 24 Dec 1998 15:21:13 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199812242021.PAA12101@titan.tcn.net> X-Sender: broche@titan.tcn.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0 Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 14:51:28 +0000 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu From: Bernie Roche Subject: W-EMED Merry Christmas to All Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29970.CNM Hi: A Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New year from your WEMSI web site staff. Please pick up your Christmas gift at the very bottom of the WEMSI home page, And while you are there, check out the REPORT ON POACHING AT CAMP SOLES and all the new pages that have been added in the past few days. Best Wishes, Bernie Roche, RN, BScN, W-EMT, OSJ WEMSI Web Site Administrator http://www.wemsi.org/ broche@tcn.net Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:30:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:30:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:28:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:27:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from orionc0.orion.org (orionc0.orion.org [198.209.8.196]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 11:27:46 -0500 (EST) Received: by orionc0.orion.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) id KAA16832; Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:27:44 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 10:27:43 -0600 (CST) From: Charles F Dusha X-Sender: cdusha@orionc0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR In-Reply-To: <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0B880.CNM Chris, If you are planning on being around the central US, Missouri, Arkansas, especially Southwest Mo., there is the possibility of your doing some ride along time in this area. I have contacts at quite a few EMS and Fire agencies in the area, and would be happy to make inquiries if you are interested. Drop a line to let me know. Good luck. Charlie Dusha, EMT-P, etc. Charles F. Dusha P O Box 1156 Pt. Lookout, MO 65726 1-800-216-3133 Pin # 5010226 (dig pager) cdusha@mail.orion.org or cdusha@juno.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:00:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:00:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:59:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:59:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:59:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (d9-20.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.106.21]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id UAA25832; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:58:56 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" , "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 20:39:39 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P2F080.CNM Let me know if I can help place you with one of our 80 teams in the US, no frills, you understand, and many of them are volunteer. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association Paramedic/ Ops Leader tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:57:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:56:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:56:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from unknown (d9-20.phoenix.goodnet.com [209.141.106.21]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id UAA24611 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 20:56:28 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Re: WE-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Date: Tue, 15 Dec 98 20:37:12 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29F70.CNM Deborah, you're a peach. Thanks....I'd like to hear more about your team, but don't want to tie the lister up. I'm at tkovacs@goodnet.com Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:42 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:47:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:46:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:46:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.com (s4m123.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-11 #30440) with ESMTP id <01J5DVB78PZM00019D@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:44:29 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 23:45:53 +0100 From: "C. Neitzel" Subject: W-EMED request for further info To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <3676E6A0.7D45DB7@mail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-QXW0310a (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <000e01be2859$aca75380$65738bce@oemcomputer> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P29D90.CNM Hello James, thank you for your mail. i am really interested in your work, and it would be nice if you would send me some further information on your service. tell me what you like to know about me. Christian james bender schrieb: > Hi, > At our service in Maine, we have a rural preceptor program for EMS. Our > service covers about 1200+ square miles, with both wilderness and snowmobile > rescues. Give me some E mail if interested. > James > jbender@somtel.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: C. Neitzel > To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 6:05 AM > Subject: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR > > i´ve just subscribed and would like to introduce myself: my name is > christian > neitzel, i am 22 years old and live in germany. actually i am studying > medicine to become a doctor lateron, but i am also working as a > paramedic (my > education is called "rettungssanitaeter" here, i think it is comparable > to > some kind of emt) volunteerly. i am an active soldier of the german army > (officer cadet of the medical corps; my rank is comparable to an > sergeant). > to gain experiences, i am looking for a chance to work at the usa or > canada > either at the regular ems or at some kind of wilderness or sar duty for > a > period of about one month. maybe one of you guys knows someone to talk > to. > > thanks, > > Chris > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:38:01 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:37:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from quint.somtel.com (Quint.somtel.com [206.139.114.2]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from oemcomputer (dialup-k-34.somtel.com [206.139.115.101]) by quint.somtel.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA31037 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:36:05 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01be2859$aca75380$65738bce@oemcomputer> From: "james bender" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 13:35:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P62F40.CNM Hi, At our service in Maine, we have a rural preceptor program for EMS. Our service covers about 1200+ square miles, with both wilderness and snowmobile rescues. Give me some E mail if interested. James jbender@somtel.com -----Original Message----- From: C. Neitzel To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tuesday, December 15, 1998 6:05 AM Subject: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR i´ve just subscribed and would like to introduce myself: my name is christian neitzel, i am 22 years old and live in germany. actually i am studying medicine to become a doctor lateron, but i am also working as a paramedic (my education is called "rettungssanitaeter" here, i think it is comparable to some kind of emt) volunteerly. i am an active soldier of the german army (officer cadet of the medical corps; my rank is comparable to an sergeant). to gain experiences, i am looking for a chance to work at the usa or canada either at the regular ems or at some kind of wilderness or sar duty for a period of about one month. maybe one of you guys knows someone to talk to. thanks, Chris Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:43:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:42:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.com (s4m202.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-11 #30440) with ESMTP id <01J5DKPEXWL200014N@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:40:34 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 18:41:59 +0100 From: "C. Neitzel" Subject: W-EMED Your invitation To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <36769F67.AB6B87B@mail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-QXW0310a (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P68040.CNM Dear Jeff, thank you for your mail. i´ve not found out yet where exactly petaluma lies, but i´ve got relatives of mine living at salinas, ca, so be sure that i´ll take a look if i am over there. maybe it is of some use for you to know what exactly i have learned. i have been working at the ems of my area since i am 18 (i´ve been very active in lifeguarding the time ago). becoming 19 and finishing school, i´ve joined the army medical corps for two years as an officer cadet of the reserve. i found out that i liked it and signed for additionell 17 years to become a military surgeon of the german army. during the past two years i´ve been working altogether five months at the emergency room, emergency op and emergency and intensive care unit of the german army hospital at koblenz, which is the main hospital of the german federal forces. i´ve spent another six monthes on instruction courses and trainings, the remaining time i´ve done basic instructions as a drill sergeant. i am looking for a chance to work for a short period of time at the german army sar, but since there crashed some choppers during the last years, they are very carefull with taking trainees on board. anyhow, i am really looking forward to visit your training centre. be sure i´ll come around if i happen to be in california. thanks a lot, christian p.s.: ongemach sounds very german. german ancestors? 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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:30:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cgns11.uscg.mil (cgns11.uscg.mil [152.121.49.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:29:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from esualaex01.ESUALAMEDA.uscg.mil ([10.33.32.103]) by cgns11.uscg.mil (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA26485 for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by ESUALAEX01 with Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) id ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:29:45 -0800 Message-ID: From: "Ongemach, Jeff PO" To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: RE: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 06:29:05 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.0.1461.28) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P06E10.CNM Christian, I am Jeff. I work as an instructor teaching US Coast Guard students to be EMT's. I would love to assist you in any way possible to meet your goal. Please stay in contact, and maybe you can come out to the school for a look at our training when you are here. Also, I will forward you request onto some EMS pros I know. By the way your english is impecable. Later, J HS1 Jeffrey W. Ongemach EMT School Instructor USCG Training Center Petaluma 599 Tomales Road Petaluma, CA 94952-5000 707-765-7048 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:52:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:52:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:50:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:49:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.rwth-aachen.de (mail.RWTH-Aachen.DE [137.226.144.9]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:49:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail.com (s4m131.dialup.RWTH-Aachen.DE) by mail.rwth-aachen.de (PMDF V5.1-11 #30440) with ESMTP id <01J5D639R10Q000111@mail.rwth-aachen.de> for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:41:51 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:43:20 +0100 From: "C. Neitzel" Subject: W-EMED german paramedic interested in SAR To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Message-id: <36763D48.A439F413@mail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [de]C-QXW0310a (Win95; I) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P56F10.CNM i´ve just subscribed and would like to introduce myself: my name is christian neitzel, i am 22 years old and live in germany. actually i am studying medicine to become a doctor lateron, but i am also working as a paramedic (my education is called "rettungssanitaeter" here, i think it is comparable to some kind of emt) volunteerly. i am an active soldier of the german army (officer cadet of the medical corps; my rank is comparable to an sergeant). to gain experiences, i am looking for a chance to work at the usa or canada either at the regular ems or at some kind of wilderness or sar duty for a period of about one month. maybe one of you guys knows someone to talk to. thanks, Chris Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:44:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:44:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:42:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:41:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2.boston.juno.com (m2.boston.juno.com [205.231.101.199]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:41:50 -0500 (EST) Received: (from pcrs242@juno.com) by m2.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id DWG67N8J; Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:41:41 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 01:38:57 -0500 Subject: W-EMED Re: WE-EMED Mtn Resq Med Pack Message-ID: <19981215.013859.19022.0.pcrs242@juno.com> References: Conversation <199801181643.LAA20527@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-53,61-67 From: pcrs242@Juno.com (Deborah M Gessner) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P778A0.CNM On Thu, 05 Nov 98 22:30:58 PST "Tim Kovacs" writes: >Thanks for the thoughts. I knew I'd open myself to questions... >here are the variety of "missions" which have denoted the contents of >my >pack over the years. >We (and namely I) also respond to situations in addition to wilderness >medical SAR. I use my bag for tactical callouts; working sworn Lake >Patrol >with the Sheriff's Office; hopping on our Bell 407 for a remote >response. >We have one particular area called the Salt River where I can respond >to >20-40 EMS calls a shift, including drownings, stings, bites and codes. >For Mtn Rescue, this is just a "first in" hasty kit. I call for more >supplies with subsequent teams coming in or they are short hauled in >to me. >I have a whole second bag and second drug kit to sustain me in longer >operations, chemical exposures, etc.We have had numerous occasions to >use >the items I described, but the list did not include some other items I >do >carry, like my foley and leg bag set up, and all the other useful WEMT >stuff - I just wanted to give you all a general idea so you could >picture >what I need in size. I also deal with a whole lot of dehydration >(Arizona). >Finally, I use the same kit when I respond seasonally to Wildland fire >medical units. > >I don't carry Hespan, and am looking into that and a few other items >which >we can get through expanded standing orders. >I still am holding on to the BP cuff, though. It helps me for trending >a >lot of the clients I end up with for extended periods, and to trend, >treat >and release those orhtostatic dehydration cases. > >I haven't heard of PARR medical and would love to hear about their >self >contained BG kit. Do you have contact info for them? >I've draw the line at taking the I-Stat out (chuckle intended). The >accucheck was a cheap (free) choice with my budget. > >Thanks again for the feedback. > >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe >wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Tim maybe I can help or at least put you in contact with a person that has been a part of search and rescue for a long time. When he found it more and more difficult to find SAR types of supplies so he started his on business to supply the SAR community. We order from him for our group, and have always been pleased. The packs are sturdy and handle a lot. Check them out and tell him I sent you. I am Deborah Gessner, Coordinator of LONG WAY HOME SEARCH AND RESCUE located in Pulaski County, Dublin Va.. My email for SAR is: longwayhome-sar@juno.com Contact: Search Gear 1-800-474-2612 Also check them out on the web: www.searchgear.com Let me know what you think Deb---LWHSAR ___________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:03:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 06:01:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:58:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from uucp.iafrica.com (uucp.iafrica.com [196.7.0.177]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 05:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (1906 bytes) by uucp.iafrica.com via sendmail with P:UUCP/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) id for wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 12:57:56 +0200 (SAST) (Smail-3.2.0.101 1997-Dec-17 #1 built 1998-Oct-29) Received: from medinfo.iplan.co.za (medinfo.iplan.co.za [196.16.129.16]) by cthru.iplan.co.za (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA31453 for ; Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:40:51 +0200 Received: from MEDINFO/SpoolDir by medinfo.iplan.co.za (Mercury 1.21); 24 Nov 98 10:23:02 +0200 Received: from SpoolDir by MEDINFO (Mercury 1.30); 24 Nov 98 10:22:44 +0200 From: "Rob Thomas" X-Real-Sender: ROBT Organization: Infoplan To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Tue, 24 Nov 1998 10:22:38 GMT+2 Subject: W-EMED EMOX Oxygen generator, heated full body splints X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.22 Message-ID: <7447A4685F@medinfo.iplan.co.za> Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P10DF0.CNM Hi I remember some time ago there was a great deal of talk concerning the EmOx O2 generator on this list, as well as a number of queries concerning what had happened to the company. Well, at the Defence Expo (DEXSA) last week, I found their brochure again. EmOx International P. O. Box 79 Somerset West 7129 Rep of South Africa http://users.iafrica.com/e/em/emox emox@iafrica.com I also found brochures from SAVER, a company manufacturing incubators, etc. They have : heated casualty wraps --------------------- 12v/24v dc input 32/34 watt heat dissipation working t -20 C to +39 C T resolution 1 C heated full-body vacuum splints ------------------------------- 12v/24v dc input 32/34 watt heat dissipation working t -20 C to +39 C T resolution 1 C heated stretcher blankets ------------------------- Saver, a division of NASCHEM saver@mail.naschem.co.za +27-18-299-8587 Regards Rob Rob Thomas (robert@medinfo.iplan.co.za) Phone : 450-2957 (Work), Pretoria (012), South Africa (+27) Cell: 082-652-2540 Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:58:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:57:59 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:57:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:56:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:55:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from Montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:55:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from RonOldfield [208.167.52.88] by Montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zi5nS-0006jT-00 (Debian); Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:53:35 -0500 Message-ID: <003201be173c$e21bc560$5834a7d0@RonOldfield> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: Re: W-EMED WMS Web Site Date: Mon, 23 Nov 1998 18:56:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P06920.CNM CAN FIND AT http://www.wms.org/ -----Original Message----- From: JSilver374@aol.com To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Friday, November 20, 1998 6:32 PM Subject: W-EMED WMS Web Site >Does anyone know where the WMS web site went to? Used to be at: >http://www.a1.com/wms/ which is now a dead link. > >Thanks in advance, >Jonathan Silver >Bloomfield, NJ >Do not reproduce without author's express permission. >To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" >as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu >Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:17:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from mscnt02.midsouth.net (host3.midsouth.net [207.65.92.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Sat, 21 Nov 1998 00:17:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from kitt (207.65.92.169) by mscnt02.midsouth.net (Worldmail 1.3.167); 20 Nov 1998 23:18:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3655B9CE000004E2@mscnt02.midsouth.net> (added by mscnt02.midsouth.net) Comments: Authenticated sender is From: "Ralph A Brigham" Organization: ER-NCRC, OTR MEDSTAPH To: JSilver374@aol.com, wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 23:18:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED WMS Web Site CC: rabrigham@midsouth.net In-reply-to: <4fc68e2d.3655ea56@aol.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v2.54) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P14630.CNM Jonathan, et al; In regard to your query, I just got my WMS newsletter and they have moved physically and on the web. They moved their office to Colorado Springs CO and -- http://www.wms.org is their website. Hope that this datum is of value -- Ralph B. * * * * * * * "SUPPORT PERSONNEL ARE AS IMPORTANT AS RESCUERS AT A MISSION" Ralph A Brigham NSS 22048RL 931-906-9277 939 S Riverside Dr, APT H-61 Clarksville TN 37040-3158 Member: WMS, NSS, ER-NCRC, & NASAR Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:54:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-a1-11.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.21]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:06 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811210252.VAA01912@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: nigel dyson-hudson , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED does your group have a policy statement about pregnant members? CC: mra@altadena.net In-reply-to: <3615641B0000000A@hotweb.notesdomino.com> (added by hotweb.notesdomino.com) X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Hmm. I do remember Loui Clem talking about a high-altitude rescue she did when 9 months pregnant . . . . Don't think most of our MRA or NCRC teams have such a policy, and if Loui is any indication, doubt we'll have one! Speaking as a physician, but not as an OB, I don't think _most_ rescue work is any more hazardous to a pregnant woman in good shape than, say, driving on the highway (which is actually _quite_ dangerous -- riskiest part of any rescue!) On 18 Nov 98, at 6:47, nigel dyson-hudson wrote: > Our Board of Fire Commissioners decided to swat a hornets nest last month. > > Our department's EMS director is pregnant. > > The Fire Commissioners now are putting in to the district policy manual a > requirement that pregnant members go on "light duty," admistrative duty > or leave. > > I searched Alta Vista and found that Harvard had an 11p report on the > Charlotte NC Fire Department and such issues. > > thanks in advance, nigel > nigel dyson-hudson, InternetSmiths, ndh@InternetSmiths.com > > Internet and Notes Domino since the beginning. > > "mad dogs and Englishmen" and I am both! > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:53:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:53:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from 136.142.57.10.pitt.edu (ehdup-a1-11.rmt.net.pitt.edu [136.142.20.21]) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:42 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199811210251.VAA01826@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu> From: "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" To: Amelia Randolph , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 21:51:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: W-EMED student rotations In-reply-to: <36503DC0.736C914F@po-box.mcgill.ca> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01c) Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P09E90.CNM On 16 Nov 98, at 9:59, Amelia Randolph wrote: > Hello, > > I'm interested in doing a medical school rotation in wilderness medicine. Can anyone help > point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. In addition to the nice reply already posted to the list, let me say that I would love to have a medical student rotation here -- but nobody will cough of the money to allow me to take time off from work to do this! For a resident rotation, the'll give me 12 hours off over a month (for a task that taks about 40-50 hours of my time during the month) but my boss isn't willing to do it for a student rotation. That's the root problem -- there are plenty of us involved in wilderness medicine who'd like to teach students, but the realities of only having X amount of time, and of still having to work overtime to pay off medical student loans, means that many people who'd like to offer student rotations simply can't afford it. Sigh. Trouble is that wilderness medicine, as interesting as it is, doesn't generate money, unlike other subspecialties such as toxicology. And maybe, just maybe, some interested students can work on finding a source of grants to allow rotation . . . --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:26:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:26:44 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:26:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:25:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from imo15.mx.aol.com (imo15.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:23:32 -0500 (EST) From: JSilver374@aol.com Received: from JSilver374@aol.com by imo15.mx.aol.com (IMOv16.10) id BTVSa19406 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:16:54 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <4fc68e2d.3655ea56@aol.com> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 17:16:54 EST To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: W-EMED WMS Web Site Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P0D450.CNM Does anyone know where the WMS web site went to? Used to be at: http://www.a1.com/wms/ which is now a dead link. Thanks in advance, Jonathan Silver Bloomfield, NJ Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- X-cs: From: Self To: Amelia Randolph ,wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED student rotations Reply-to: kconover+@pitt.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Date: Fri, 20 Nov 1998 10:02:13 -0500 On 16 Nov 98, at 9:59, Amelia Randolph wrote: > Hello, > > I'm interested in doing a medical school rotation in wilderness medicine. Can anyone help > point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. In addition to the nice reply already posted to the list, let me say that I would love to have a medical student rotation here -- but nobody will cough of the money to allow me to take time off from work to do this! For a resident rotation, the'll give me 12 hours off over a month (for a task that taks about 40-50 hours of my time during the month) but my boss isn't willing to do it for a student rotation. That's the root problem -- there are plenty of us involved in wilderness medicine who'd like to teach students, but the realities of only having X amount of time, and of still having to work overtime to pay off medical student loans, means that many people who'd like to offer student rotations simply can't afford it. Sigh. Trouble is that wilderness medicine, as interesting as it is, doesn't generate money, unlike other subspecialties such as toxicology. And maybe, just maybe, some interested students can work on finding a source of grants to allow rotation . . . -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:11:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:10:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from enterprise.fuse.net (radius2.fuse.net [206.230.21.72]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from fuse.net (blackbird-88.day.fuse.net [208.23.223.216]) by enterprise.fuse.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA13234 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:10:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <36545188.B161BB29@fuse.net> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:12:40 -0800 From: "Danny E S.ith" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.06 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P24620.CNM Tim Kovacs wrote: > Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk to load onto 486 > lap top. > > Tim Kovacs, President > Mountain Rescue Association > tkovacs@goodnet.com > > "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt > to climb... > ...It is a number of small points which have little significance > individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced > rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu How do I get these forms? Danny E. Smith, TSgt, USAFR EMS Coordinator 445 ASTS WPAFB, OH Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.11]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:23:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc04.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:23:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:21:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:19:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from plumcreek.com (mail.plumcreek.com [206.252.251.220]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:19:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from plumcreek-Message_Server by plumcreek.com with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:18:28 -0700 Message-Id: X-Mailer: Novell GroupWise 5.2 Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 08:18:02 -0700 From: "Robert Lee" To: tkovacs@goodnet.com, sar-l@islandnet.com Cc: mra@altadena.net, wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: W-EMED Re: ICS Forms on disk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu id KAA00859 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Hi Tim, Check out Bay Area Search & Rescue Council's webpage (http://www.basarc.org). Scroll down to "Incident Command System and SAR form. There's all you could dream of. They are really good. ****************************** Robert M. Lee, III Plum Creek Timber Co., L.P. 140 N. Russell Missoula MT 59801 406/542-3266 rlee@plumcreek.com >>> "Tim Kovacs" 11/18 9:34 PM >>> Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk to load onto 486 lap top. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:28:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:27:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from newsmail.acsworld.net (newsmail.acsworld.net [12.4.184.3]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:27:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from default ([12.4.188.106]) by newsmail.acsworld.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5.2 release 221 ID# 35-56972U4000L400S0V35) with ESMTP id net for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:26:52 -0500 Message-ID: <36542AA5.2E946966@acsworld.net> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 1998 09:26:46 -0500 From: jhill@acsworld.net (James Hill, Jr.) X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk X-Priority: 3 (Normal) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P47DE0.CNM I think the program CASIE II which is a Search and Rescue "overhead function" program has the forms as a pull down within the program. I'm off on vacation till end of 1st week in Dec. if you've not located any by then, email me and I'll get you an old copy of CASIE Jim Hill > Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk > to load onto 486 > lap top. > > Tim Kovacs, President > Mountain Rescue Association > tkovacs@goodnet.com > > "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until > they have learnt > to climb... > ...It is a number of small points which have little > significance > individually that, considered together, spell danger to > the experienced > rescuer." Hamish MacInnes > > Do not reproduce without author's express permission. > To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe > wilderness-emergency-medicine" > as the body of a message (no subject) To: > Majordomo@list.pitt.edu > Submissions To: > wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.43]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:12:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc06.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:12:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:09:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 12:09:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a10.phoenix-2.goodnet.com [207.98.134.99]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id KAA09077 for ; Thu, 19 Nov 1998 10:09:18 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <36545188.B161BB29@fuse.net> X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk Date: Thu, 19 Nov 98 08:51:42 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P6C0A0.CNM To Danny Smith, USAF When I get them, I'll let you all know. Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.24]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:55:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc02.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:55:22 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:55:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:53:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:52:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 23:52:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a7.phoenix-5.goodnet.com [207.98.133.38]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id VAA11718; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 21:51:50 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "SAR-L" Cc: "MRA" , "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED ICS Forms on disk Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 20:34:31 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Looking (for a cohort) for ICS forms downloadable to disk to load onto 486 lap top. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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(sharpshin.med.unc.edu [152.2.119.45]) by raven.med.unc.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA06248; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from [152.2.53.205] by sharpshin.med.unc.edu. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA00309; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:50:21 -0500 Message-Id: <199811182150.QAA00309@sharpshin.med.unc.edu.> Date: Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:49:43 +0000 From: hawkise@med.unc.edu (Seth Collings Hawkins) To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Cc: arando@po-box.mcgill.ca (Amelia Randolph), angus_christie@med.unc.edu, michael_gallagher@med.unc.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED student rotations X-Mailer: Siren Mail for Macintosh 4.0.2 X-Sender: hawkise@siren.med.unc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET="US-ASCII" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P57F90.CNM Amelia (and wem list), Carolina Wilderness Medicine, a wilderness medicine interest group based at UNC-Chapel Hill School of Med, has been trying to start a list of 4th year wilderness medicine rotations available nationally for some time. What we've found is that most schools do not offer and are not receptive to setting up formal wilderness medicine programs. I think we may have found 1 or 2 west of the Miss., but they didn't seem very ideal. Part of this is due to the novelty of wilderness medicine (lack of academic acceptance), but even more importantly, few of the people actually practicing wilderness med have positions at tertiary care centers/med schools. So most of the students we know who had success in getting a 4th year wilderness medicine rotation set up their own experience, and usually completed it for fam med or emergency med credit. For instance, one student went out to CO and worked with a doc who was also medical control for a SAR/caving rescue team. He also developed a slide show presentation (ie, produced demonstrable research), and did some other activities in other parts of the interior west. This kind of patchwork approach seems to work well. The student's name is Tom Archie, he's now doing a fam med residency in CO, I think CO Springs or Ft. Collins area. I'll try to find his info, or you could try to get it on the web, he'd be good to talk to. Another student went down to work with a mtn rescue team in the Andes. Other single rotations that are effective include working the ER in national parks, doing research at high-altitude labs in Alaska or Nepal, teaming up with a disaster medicine doc, or someone working in an extremely rural clinic either here or out of the country. Just some ideas. Please let us know what you find out--I'd be curious for myself, we're still (somewhat slowly) trying to compile a directory of "ideas"/experiences, and I'll bet the listserv would be interested. I've also thought about trying to get some sort of clearinghouse through the Wilderness Medical Society (since they're probably the most logical nexus) which would hook up students interested in wilderness medicine experience and docs doing this work who are willing to take on students. Hope all's well in Canada, and that you had/will have a good time in Australia (!), Seth -- Begin original message -- > I'm interested in doing a medical school rotation in wilderness medicine. Can anyone > help > point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. -- End original message -- ---------------------------------- Seth Collings Hawkins UNC-Chapel Hill School of Medicine 207A Purefoy Rd, CH, NC 27514-4857 email address: hawkise@med.unc.edu permanent alias: hawk@aya.yale.edu ---------------------------------- Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 19:06:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:57:35 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:57:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:56:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:56:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 18:56:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a7.phoenix-5.goodnet.com [207.98.133.38]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id QAA02535; Wed, 18 Nov 1998 16:56:00 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" Cc: "Amelia Randolph" , angus_christie@med.unc.edu, michael_gallagher@med.unc.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: W-EMED student rotations Date: Wed, 18 Nov 98 15:38:36 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P527B0.CNM Amelia; Seth's response appeared quite complete to me. As an additional offering, The M.R.A. has teams' physicians who can sometimes help facilitate a rotation. If you redraft your initial email to me (tkovacs@goodnet.com), I'd be glad to forward it to the MRA's closed list server. It will be a limited group, but we'll help however we can for a good cause. Tim Kovacs, President Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 35127424 0 1 P1BE50.CNM Our Board of Fire Commissioners decided to swat a hornets nest last month. Our department's EMS director is pregnant. The Fire Commissioners now are putting in to the district policy manual a requirement that pregnant members go on "light duty," admistrative duty or leave. I searched Alta Vista and found that Harvard had an 11p report on the Charlotte NC Fire Department and such issues. thanks in advance, nigel nigel dyson-hudson, InternetSmiths, ndh@InternetSmiths.com Internet and Notes Domino since the beginning. "mad dogs and Englishmen" and I am both! Do not reproduce without author's express permission. 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Can anyone help point me to some possible options? Thank you very much in advance. Sincerely, -- Amelia Randolph 4376 Madison Montreal, QC H4B 2V2 ph: 514-484-5616 fax: 514-481-3919 arando@po-box.mcgill.ca ___________________________ Physicians for Social Responsibility http://www.psr.org American Medical Students Association http://www.medcor.mcgill.ca/~amsa ___________________________ Man who says it cannot be done should not interrupt woman doing it. -Old Chinese Proverb Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.25]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for kconover@pop.pitt.edu; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:18 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail for kconover+@pitt.edu; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from mx0-smtp.goodnet.com (envy.goodnet.com [207.98.129.151]) by post-ofc01.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 10:34:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from PC_.goodnet.com (a12.phoenix-2.goodnet.com [207.98.134.163]) by mx0-smtp.goodnet.com with SMTP id IAA03355; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 08:34:06 -0700 (MST) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <364DBC75.C2C3BE2A@icon.co.za> References: Conversation <199811092057.PAA27893@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> with last message <364DBC75.C2C3BE2A@icon.co.za> Priority: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 To: "WEMS News" , "Keith Conover" Cc: "WEMS News" MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Tim Kovacs" Subject: Re: W-EMED Hot Oxy Date: Mon, 16 Nov 98 07:16:45 PST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"; X-MAPIextension=".TXT" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P52A41.CNM Perhaps this is our solution. If we can work with our local EMS / Public Safety helicopter(s), we could ensure the resource is available, and maybe secure some funding for one to be staged with one or more of these ships.You have definitely given me the idea for my area. Still doesn't solve the problem of securing it to the evac litter. I like to follow what you develop over time. Tim Kovacs, President Paramedic/ W Mountain Rescue Association tkovacs@goodnet.com "You can't teach people to rescue in the mountains until they have learnt to climb... ...It is a number of small points which have little significance individually that, considered together, spell danger to the experienced rescuer." Hamish MacInnes -- End -- Received: from post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.73]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:10:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc07.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:10:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:08:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:07:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from Montu.kynd.net (mail@montu.kynd.net [208.162.108.5]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:07:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from RonOldfield [208.167.52.29] by Montu.kynd.net with smtp (Exim 1.62 #1) id 0zfS6u-0004yM-00 (Debian); Mon, 16 Nov 1998 12:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: <000001be1183$c0791020$1d34a7d0@RonOldfield> From: "Oldfield Family" To: Subject: W-EMED Mtn Rescue Packs Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 16:47:46 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0FEE.817DF020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 570950016 0 1 P1BDF0.CNM This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0FEE.817DF020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I've found it, SKEDCO INC...P.O. Box 230487, Portland, Oregon 97281-0487 = USA Phone (503)639-2119.. FAX (503)639-4538 equipment is the Sked-Pak System give it a look see total the whole = system is under 600 I believe Good luck Ron ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01BE0FEE.817DF020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.10]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:13:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:13:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:11:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:10:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from relay.icon.co.za (relay.icon.co.za [196.26.208.4]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with SMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 09:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 29990 invoked from network); 16 Nov 1998 14:09:42 -0000 Received: from mail450.icon.co.za (196.26.208.3) by relay.icon.co.za with SMTP; 16 Nov 1998 14:09:42 -0000 Received: from icon.co.za (m4-5-ndf.dial-up.net [196.34.156.197]) by mail450.icon.co.za (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA25668; Mon, 16 Nov 1998 16:09:36 +0200 (GMT) Message-ID: <364DBC75.C2C3BE2A@icon.co.za> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 1998 19:23:01 +0200 From: Arthur Morgan X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US,af,pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kconover+@pitt.edu CC: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED Hot Oxy References: <199811092057.PAA27893@post-ofc05.srv.cis.pitt.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 34078848 0 1 P4E9A0.CNM Hello all , After a delay due to work I answer Keith : No - I am sooooo far behind with my practice administration that this is low in my order of priorities , but is on the list of things to do . The main problem is that I do not have light oxygen cylinders , but these are also on the list . The breathing circuit part is easy - the carrying and fixing the bits and pieces to the stretcher will be difficult - even light weight cylinders are heavy . Ventilating the patient during a carry will be very difficult ( impossible with our lack of equipment now ) . We have neither the money nor the case load to justify buying a portable ventilator - if we ever need this I hope that we have the support of a helicopter with one . Arthur "Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP" wrote: > > On 8 Nov 98, at 14:26, Arthur Morgan wrote: > > > Many of the problems of rescue have been answered by the needs of > > anaesthesia . There are small filters that fit onto endotracheal tubes and > > will become warm and wet with expiration , then dump energy and water into > > the next inspired volume ( Heat and Moisture Exchangers ) . They are not > > perfect , and will obviously not add heat to the patient , only decrease > > loss ) but are much better than nothing , are relatively cheap , and are > > small . > > There are small disposable circle breathing systems with carbon dioxide > > absorbers available so that a small cylinder of oxygen will go a long way > > ( with skill a flow rate of less than 1 litre of fresh oxygen a minute is > > possible ) . I have not yet used these I rescue but I am thinking about > > them and in suitable situations they should be of help to decrease mass > > that needs to be carried , and improve the treatment of patients . The use > > of a circle system will by itself decrease the loss of water and heat . > > Have you tried rigging up any such systems for _non-intubated_ > patients and used them in real or simulated rescues? > > --Keith Conover, M.D., FACEP > http://www.pitt.edu/~kconover Do not reproduce without author's express permission. To unsubscribe, send the text "unsubscribe wilderness-emergency-medicine" as the body of a message (no subject) To: Majordomo@list.pitt.edu Submissions To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu -- End -- Received: from post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (root@post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu [136.142.185.39]) by pop.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispop-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (root@localhost) by post-ofc03.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cispo-7.2.2.2) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:49 -0500 (EST) Received: via switchmail; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from list.srv.cis.pitt.edu via qmail ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (majordom@localhost) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from vader.ed.gov (vader.ed.gov [165.224.216.253]) by list.srv.cis.pitt.edu with ESMTP (8.8.8/8.8.8/cisls-7.2.2.1) ID for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpgwy1.ed.gov (smtpgwy1.ed.gov [165.224.16.166]) by vader.ed.gov (8.9.1a/8.8.4) with SMTP id IAA09098 for ; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:55:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ccMail by smtpgwy1.ed.gov (IMA Internet Exchange 2.12 Enterprise) id 002A03FE; Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:54:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 08:56:56 -0500 Message-ID: <002A03FE.003144@ed.gov> From: Peter_McCabe@ed.gov (Peter McCabe) To: , wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Subject: Re: W-EMED MTSmith pro-deals Sender: owner-wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-To: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu X-PMFLAGS: 33554560 0 1 P2B030.CNM Maryland Search & Rescue Group, a member of the Appalachian SAR Conference and the Mountain Rescue Association, had a long standing pro-deal relationship with Mountainsmith since their early days until about 6 years ago. Phil and others at Mountainsmsith were very specific in indicating they would provide a 20% discount off retail through their distributors, but that was all. We were persistent, but to no avail. Peter McCabe M/SAR ______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________ Subject: W-EMED MTSmith pro-deals Author: wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu at Internet Date: 11/12/98 06:42 AM Good morning; It's been a year & a half since I worked at Mountainsmith, but at that time, they were cutting back, even eliminating the Pro Deals altogether due to a variety of problems. Your best bet is to talk to Phil Mesdag if you want to get anything done, be persistent, but expect to be disappointed. Wish I could be of more help. Sorry! Margaret -----Original Message----- From: Howard M. Paul To: gmdeluca@prodigy.net Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 10:39 PM Subject: Help w/MtnSmith Pro deals? >Margaret, can you offer correct answers? If so, send to: >wilderness-emergency-medicine@list.pitt.edu > > > >>Dan, >> >>Perhaps "PRO" pricing would be a more appropriate term to use. Mountainsmith >>has offered PRO pricing to National Ski Patrol members and I suspect they may >>offer similar offers to volunteer SAR/Wilderness rescue type folks. I >>suggest contacting Mountainsmith directly and advising them of your position >>and desires. >> >>Dave >> >>Dan Karlin wrote: >> >>> how does one go about obtaining wholesale prices on mountainsmith >>> equipment? thanks, >>> dan >>> >>> Dave or Tink wrote: >>> > Mountainsmith also offers wholesale pricing for emergency >>> > personnel which should provide significant savings for you.
Good morning; It's been a year & a half since I worked at Mountainsmith, but
at that time, they were cutting back, even eliminating the Pro Deals
altogether due to a variety of problems. Your best bet is to talk to Phil
Mesdag  if you want to get anything done, be persistent, but expect to be
disappointed. Wish I could be of more help. Sorry! Margaret
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard M. Paul <hmpaul@ecentral.com>
To: gmdeluca@prodigy.net <gmdeluca@prodigy.net>
Date: Sunday, November 08, 1998 10:39 PM
Subject: Help w